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Old 04-09-2014, 7:34 PM
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Default P12 barrel

All of the Para frames are designed to take a Para/Clark style 'ramped' barrel:1911 Feed Ramps.jpg

You can modify the frame to take a standard Colt Officer's style barrel, but it requires an additional piece of machined metal added to match the geometry of a standard Officer's frame:
1911 Frame Ramps.jpg

I made this modification on my P12. I can provide drawings or CAD models for the piece I made if anyone is interested.
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Old 04-10-2014, 8:32 AM
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Any information is always wanted and helpful, I myself have made an insert for my P13s that I have posted earlier in this forum..
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Old 12-07-2014, 8:05 AM
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The P12 alloy frames are on Sarco again so I picked up a couple. I plan to make at least 1 of them 9mm. Has anyone done this yet? Are any of the jigs, sear springs and such still available from the members here that made them? I have done a couple 1911's so these looked like a good challenge. Thanks for all the previous info.
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Old 01-18-2015, 3:59 PM
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Hi All,
I wanted to ask a few questions to further understand?

I would like to build a full size High Capacity P14 1911 using Sarco Parts as well as building a High Capacity (Sub)/Compact, or as High Capacity Compact as I can get? I have seen a couple of really neat sub compacts just need to get my head around what everyone is doing?

I have read through this thread, BTW Great Job Brian. But, it looks like there are some parts mods that need to be done with 1911 parts to make work?

I have all the machine equipment to make any part, So I'm good there.
  • What parts do I need to build a high capacity, double stack P14, 1911 from a Para Cast P14 Frame?
  • What parts do I need to build a high capacity, double stack Compact 1911 from a Para Cast P13/12/or what Frame in addition to parts?
  • What modifications or parts from a 1911 or in addition to do I need to get?

Hopefully, this is the thread to ask these questions on?

Thanks in advance
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Old 01-18-2015, 5:14 PM
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1. The only Castings that are available are the P14 and 1911 (DOUBLE ACTION).. NOT single action and the majority of the parts from a standard 1911 will not work and as far as I know there are none available at this time, and no Prints.
2. Once again the only thing available is the P12 in Single Action and all parts and modifying are discussed in previous pages..
3. Refer to number 2 as everything has been explained in detail..
If you decide to go with the full size P14 Double Action Castings you will need to weld up a few spots of the casting and Mill the trigger slot and the rest of the milling operations. Which is doable but not easy, then it would take regular 1911 parts...
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Old 02-13-2015, 9:16 PM
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Hi tr6guns,
Thank you for the info.
If I may ask some further questions? or maybe if someone out there might direct me?
I intend on building a P14 full size. I find Sarco's Website a bit frustrating at times. My questions;
  • As I understand the P14 Frames are originally designed for Double Action?
  • There are no parts or prints available for the double action P14 Frames from Sarco?
  • In order to use standard 1911 parts these frames need to be used as Single Action? as well as welding up spots on frame casting and milling the trigger slot.
  • Do I use a standard 1911 parts kit, HERE
  • Which Slide for full size p14 frame, I assume standard para Slide or ANY Slide?HERE?
  • Which Barrels for full size p14 frame? HERE?

My apologies for asking these questions, I have not been very successful in gathering the detailed info for exact parts needed to build a Hi Cap 1911 in full size, mini and micro, using the P14, frames. The machining I understand, fitting, welding, all easy,,, just cant find the detailed parts list for this type of build. Actually to sum up what I wish to do is stated on Sarco's site top of the page HERE. I have built a handful of rifles of varying types, it seems that there are so many 1911 builds that the info (detailed parts list) is spread everywhere and not listed in any one place. I suppose what I should do is to call Sarco again, get someone on the phone, get a parts list together and post for the varying size 1911 hi cap para frame builds? Thanks all again,,, and for your patients. JB

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Old 02-14-2015, 6:15 AM
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1. The P14 frames that are left are Double Action.
2. That's right.
3Yes.
4. Yes
5. Any 1911 Type 5" Frame.
6. Naturally a 5" barrel
7. Go here for prints.. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=863039

And here is a parts list...
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufact...List-33881.htm
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Old 02-21-2015, 3:38 PM
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One more question.
What high cap frame can I use for building a Micro 3" 1911? Not sure what the differences of the frames are?
Thanks
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Old 02-22-2015, 6:00 AM
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Length of Grip and Dust cover is basically the only difference. P-12, Single Action, and it looks like that's all Sarco has left in Single Action Frames..
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:44 PM
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Ok,

Since I don't have anything to reference P14 and P13 double action, double stack frames for a single action build, I have purchased a P12 Single Action from Sarco to use as a reference. Its a light weight alloy cast which I probably will never use but it should serve its purpose as a reference.

I am going to Tig and fill weld the areas to match single action in the P14 /13 frames I have to the P12 Single action and machine from that point. Simple enough, then I can use standard 1911 parts. Anything else I will machine from scrap stock I have hanging around the shop.

Im really interested in working with these cast para frames double action. I purchased two of each P14 and P13. So far it looks between the build here, the blueprints, and another single action frame I should be able to figure it out.

Any thoughts always welcomed.

Ill post once I get started.... Bitin the bullet. no pun intended.

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Old 03-17-2015, 7:42 AM
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With the Double Stack (Single Action Frames) the only parts that won't fit from a 1911 is the Magazine, Mag Release, and Trigger. When finally milling the P13, & P14 frames take note that the measurements are not the same as a Standard 1911, so start your measurements from the flat top of the frame and the position of the cast in Plunger tube then go by the prints when drilling the slide stop and fire control holes.
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Old 03-18-2015, 11:48 PM
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Ok,

Since I don't have anything to reference P14 and P13 double action, double stack frames for a single action build, I have purchased a P12 Single Action from Sarco to use as a reference. Its a light weight alloy cast which I probably will never use but it should serve its purpose as a reference.

I am going to Tig and fill weld the areas to match single action in the P14 /13 frames I have to the P12 Single action and machine from that point. Simple enough, then I can use standard 1911 parts. Anything else I will machine from scrap stock I have hanging around the shop.

Im really interested in working with these cast para frames double action. I purchased two of each P14 and P13. So far it looks between the build here, the blueprints, and another single action frame I should be able to figure it out.

Any thoughts always welcomed.

Ill post once I get started.... Bitin the bullet. no pun intended.
I attempted to do the exact same thing. Bought one of Sarco's alu P12s and split the sucker in half to use as a reference for when I split the P14 frames to machine the internals. When I put the split P12 frame side by side with the P14, I noticed there wasn't enough material in front of the magwell to complete the last 1/16th inch or so of the trigger rails. I started to build the area up with weld and re-contour it, but it looked like **** so I went and bought a couple SA p14 frames off gunbroker.

I already posted this here, but in case you missed it:

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Old 03-20-2015, 2:20 AM
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Awesome, split in half!, Yep, that will work.....,
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Old 03-25-2015, 7:07 PM
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Old 12-30-2015, 12:16 AM
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Old 12-30-2015, 12:42 AM
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Sarco has some lda parts available =)
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P12 sear springs anyone ?
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Go back through all of the thread. There was a guy that reproduced them and posted here. I bought a few from him and they were nice.
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Yeah I've sent a few messages he hasn't logged on in a while.
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