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Old 09-21-2018, 11:51 AM
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Default American airlines rant and LAX sucks.

Gov regulations allow for ammo to be loaded in a mag and stored in the same locked box as your firearm. American airlines policy is that it has to be stored in the original packing?

The lady makes me empty my mags and she calls some sort of armed agents. They were in black uniforms and armed but didnt seem to be Leo's.

They said that they didnt want to do any paperwork and would dispose of my ammo at the range. I'm pretty sure that's illegal in the peoples republic of california.

They then refuse to check my bag and the lady tells me in front of the armed guards that I need to now go up stairs and check my bag in with TSA. I catch some more attitude from her and go up to security with a firearm.

I explained the situation to the body scanner agents and they escorted me down to get my bag properly check while bantering with me about how this should have never happened that the AA lady had no idea what she was talking about.


So do I call american airline and ask for a receipt for my ammo because if the agent was going to keep it for personal use I assume that would be illegal because of the new ammo laws.


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Sounds a lot like your ammo was improperly packaged per the airline you chose to fly with. LE was called to dispose of your surrended ammo as your only choices were: 1) find oem box for ammo and check your ammo with your bags, 2) take your ammo home and miss your flight or 3) surrender it to LE.

As for the firearm, it was to be declared at the check in counter where additional airline specific forms were to be filled out so that your bag was properly marked and secured upon arrival.

If you're gonna fly, please check the TSA website and your specific airline's website as to what their rules are. We understand it's a frustrating experience, but that's the way it is when you want to fly with guns/ammo.

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ammunition.jsp

I have flown many times with guns and ammunition. Never had an issue. Much easier to follow the airlines policy than try to argue what it should be. What you think it should be as opposed to what it is is not of concern to airline employees.
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This has been posted before. AA only accepts ammo in factory packaging sometimes. Fly Alaska or SWA..
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IIRC Los Angeles municipal code allows for a civilian to surrender ammunition to LEO. The LEO then brings it to a proper disposal site, which appears to be at their range.

Also I just checked American Airlines firearms and ammo policy looks like they want the ammo to be stored in OEM container. Not loose, in a bag, or in a magazine.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ammunition.jsp

You might need to check the policy on each airline you’re flying with.


Also if your mags were loaded wouldn’t that constitute as loaded firearm in California... unless you have that CCW. I think the “armed” guards were cops and didn’t want to arrest or cite you for 171.5 CA PC, thus causing you to lose your CCW.
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Also if your mags were loaded wouldn’t that constitute as loaded firearm in California... unless you have that CCW.
Not generally. Common misunderstanding.
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My bad, another forum member just PMd me a case law regarding that portion of what I wrote. Thanks for the correction guys. People be helpful on this forum.


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I print the airline and TSA policy before I head to the airport

I lock guns into the case to slow down theft if the case is opened.


Ammunition must be:

In the original packaging from the manufacturer or in packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition (made of fiber, wood or metal), with a maximum of 11 pounds (5 kgs) per container or customer. Ammunition is not accepted loose or in magazines or clips.
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Sounds a lot like your ammo was improperly packaged per the airline you chose to fly with. LE was called to dispose of your surrended ammo as your only choices were: 1) find oem box for ammo and check your ammo with your bags, 2) take your ammo home and miss your flight or 3) surrender it to LE.

As for the firearm, it was to be declared at the check in counter where additional airline specific forms were to be filled out so that your bag was properly marked and secured upon arrival.

If you're gonna fly, please check the TSA website and your specific airline's website as to what their rules are. We understand it's a frustrating experience, but that's the way it is when you want to fly with guns/ammo.

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I did check the firearm at the counter and showed it was clear like I have done many times before. Surrendered the ammo filled out a declaration form and then was instructed to go upstairs to TSA. I knew this was bad and dangerous information and I am grateful for the TSA supervisor that helped me get my bag properly checked.
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I print the airline and TSA policy before I head to the airport

I lock guns into the case to slow down theft if the case is opened.


Ammunition must be:

In the original packaging from the manufacturer or in packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition (made of fiber, wood or metal), with a maximum of 11 pounds (5 kgs) per container or customer. Ammunition is not accepted loose or in magazines or clips.
Should be interesting as some 556 ammo is loaded into stripper clips and then in a box... Though I suspect the AA folks wouldn't know the difference or would care and would let it fly as long as it's in a box.

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Probably LAWA which is LAX's police and a division of LAPD.

Only armed guards I know of at LAX that are not local PD or FEDs are El AL private security and their ticket/gate agents.

As far as gov regs are concerned the airlines can make rules that are more stringent as long as they do not violates fed and state laws. AA's website clearly explains the requirements.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ammunition.jsp
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I have flown many times with guns and ammunition. Never had an issue. Much easier to follow the airlines policy than try to argue what it should be. What you think it should be as opposed to what it is is not of concern to airline employees.
So true. Makes me smh when I see people complaining on yelp how Angeles wouldn't let them rapid fire so they couldn't practice concealed carry blah blah blah.

Check the rules before you go. Do you expect everyone to change their rules just because it inconveniences you?

Btw, comments above not pointed at OP. Just people in general.
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Probably LAWA which is LAX's police and a division of LAPD.

Only armed guards I know of at LAX that are not local PD or FEDs are El AL private security and their ticket/gate agents.

As far as gov regs are concerned the airlines can make rules that are more stringent as long as they do not violates fed and state laws. AA's website clearly explains the requirements.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ammunition.jsp
Not a division. Their own PD. www.laxpd.com to be forwarded to their recruitment page.

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Airline personnel do not inspect firearms. You fill out declaration and put in with firearm and go to tsa or you are escorted to tsa. Wait for clearance then go tthru checkpoint to gate. I put my 11 lbs. of ammo in separate checked bag and do not mention it. I only fly alaska and swa.
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+1. AA is awful. But United is still worse.
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Interesting that AA regs would require OEM packaging or ammo storage device made of fiber, wood, or metal. The ammo storage devices that I've found are usually closed plastic boxes with individual compartments for each individual round. So I guess that plastic is a no-go?

Traveling with your firearm requires that you negotiate a maze of laws and regulations. There are local firearms laws, then the TSA laws, then the regs from the airline with whom you are traveling. It is certainly difficult at times and you MUST be on your game. Do not leave home without researching every aspect of laws and regs related to your firearm. It also pays to print the relevant passages from the laws and regs and bring them along or store them in your phone.

In 12 years I have taken ONE trip without my carry pistol and that was to NYC. That is a maze that even I would not try to navigate. It is rare that I run across someone who is off base when it comes to the regs but when they do have an incorrect interpretation they are pretty set on following their instincts. You have to show them on their own website or printed regs where they are wrong.

I've had a few run-ins with TSA and/or the airline baggage check. On my way back home from Boise, ID the TSA agent incorrectly informed me that my ammo could not be loaded in the mags and placed in the locked container with the firearm. I was a bit unprepared to deal with it and was short on time so I surrendered my Winchester Ranger T hollow points to the TSA agent so that I would not miss my flight. Then, on my way to SF in July the TSA agent tried to confiscate my OC spray from my checked bag. He said that pepper sprays were not allowed on the plane. I corrected him and informed him that they are not allowed in the cabin and that if they were going in the checked bag they needed to have a locking device to prevent them from spraying during flight. He wasn't buying it until I showed him the regs on the website.

Bottom line, SC, is that you MUST be prepared. Do you homework. Bring your evidence. And when you somehow find yourself short on evidence or can't make your case with whomever you are arguing just give it up and take your lumps. You had no choice but to leave your ammo behind this time. Next time be prepared and steer clear of AA. They're a bunch of rat bastards.
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Would be funny if they are taking that confiscated ammo and using it their personal guns. Soenone just might have some super hot ammo mixed in with the ammo they take.
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Would be funny if they are taking that confiscated ammo and using it their personal guns. Soenone just might have some super hot ammo mixed in with the ammo they take.
Yup.
You might point out that they are handloads and are especially "hot". "I hope your firearm is in really good shape, officer."

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Would you get in trouble if you purposely loaded rounds that were almost guaranteed to destroy a gun, got the rounds confiscated and then the person tries to shoot them instead of disposing them?
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Would you get in trouble if you purposely loaded rounds that were almost guaranteed to destroy a gun, got the rounds confiscated and then the person tries to shoot them instead of disposing them?
Not your problem if they take your 9 major loads and go shooting them in their duty Glocks.

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Would you get in trouble if you purposely loaded rounds that were almost guaranteed to destroy a gun, got the rounds confiscated and then the person tries to shoot them instead of disposing them?


Legal gray area, you purposely loaded rounds designed to explode gun, cop takes the surrendered munition along with your info, shoots the ammo instead of disposing it, and it goes kaboom in their hands.

Sure they did something against proper disposal policy, but you did something with the intent to harm another person because your ammo got confiscated. Sounds like a ****ty thing for any law abiding citizen to do.


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Legal gray area, you purposely loaded rounds designed to explode gun, cop takes the surrendered munition along with your info, shoots the ammo instead of disposing it, and it goes kaboom in their hands.

Sure they did something against proper disposal policy, but you did something with the intent to harm another person because your ammo got confiscated. Sounds like a ****ty thing for any law abiding citizen to do.


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It is rather dumb anyhow to be shooting ammo stolen or not that you don't truly know the provenance of.

I had a PITA customer when I used to manage a shooting range he came out from range one time wondering why his nice Gold Cup was sort of mangled and grips destroyed and magazine blown apart. Seems he was using random reloads he picked up at a gun show.
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I did check the firearm at the counter and showed it was clear like I have done many times before. Surrendered the ammo filled out a declaration form and then was instructed to go upstairs to TSA. I knew this was bad and dangerous information and I am grateful for the TSA supervisor that helped me get my bag properly checked.
Be thankful she didn't call Airport PD or TSA saying a man with a gun just left my counter heading to the TSA check point..!!
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For ammo I just use a plastic ammo box. One of the 50 round cases that I use for my reloads. I have a cut out for it in my case. No issues at all when I fly. They cost 4 bucks tops. Great investment.
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i have flown many times with secured, checked handguns and ammo in factory box (i save a few empties just for flying). i make it a point to doublecheck latest regulations before packing. airline staff are a mixed bag but are simply trying to do their job, just smile and work with them. best experience is with aa at las vegas: twice in six months got same female checkin agent, she loves to see what im carrying and we compare our gun likes. i love vegas.


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When they check the ammo they are looking to make sure it is secure and not loose. I have check a lot of ammo in re-loader plastic holders w/o any problems. While ammo in a magazine meets the letter of the law it doesn't always meet the airline requirements.
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Have you guys ever seen them weigh the ammo to make sure it doesn’t exceed 11lbs?
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One would be at least civilly responsible. Criminally, I would expect at least ADW. Or aggravated mayhem.
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This just goes to show you why passengers need to very carefully read the individual airline's regulations prior to leaving the house. American Airlines' website clearly states what kind of packaging the ammo needs to be in.

A few years ago, I flew with my firearms on Southwest a couple of times. I double-checked their policies and printed out the instructions prior to leaving for the airport. That way, if there was any dispute, I could show them the print out from their website. I had no problems flying with firearms on Southwest through either San Diego or Sacramento airport. Now looking at SWA website, I see that they've loosened the rules. It used to say that ammo had to be in an OEM box. Now it says that loaded magazines are ok as long as they are packaged in such as way as to protect the primer on the exposed round(s). The reason these airlines want ammo packaged nicely is so there's less chance of any of the primers going off (for lack of a better phrase).

The only thing I didn't like about flying with firearms was that I really didn't want the passengers in line behind me to overhear the conversation or work out what is going on with my bag. At SWA, I had to open the suitcase for the agent for him/her to look at the firearms packaging, step aside while the agent took my suitcase in the back for TSA to clear, wait for the agent to come back and give me the all clear to proceed to the gate, etc. I figured that it was probably pretty obvious to others behind me that I had a gun in my suitcase. So, I made sure to stand right at the bag chute at the baggage claim to grab my suitcase as soon as it emerged at the other end. I didn't want another passenger to try and grab my suitcase knowing what was in it.
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I would not feel bad at all if a cop basically stole my ammo an destroyed a gun or their fingers.
And we wonder why cops feel feel like people are out to get them.

Somebody does not follow the rules, they lose their ammo, and it's the cops' fault?

I would rather my ammo not go to waste.
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No. I had well over 11 lbs spread across 4 bags.
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So true. Makes me smh when I see people complaining on yelp how Angeles wouldn't let them rapid fire so they couldn't practice concealed carry blah blah blah.



Check the rules before you go. Do you expect everyone to change their rules just because it inconveniences you?



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Would you get in trouble if you purposely loaded rounds that were almost guaranteed to destroy a gun, got the rounds confiscated and then the person tries to shoot them instead of disposing them?
Wouldn't that be tantamount to handing them a bomb or at least setting a booby trap? I think the key word in that question is, "purposely." If they take your ammo and you walk away chuckling and muttering to yourself something about daring them to shoot it....well, if it looks like a duck, etc. Whether you're caught and convicted or not you're still guilty. Just me.

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Old 09-23-2018, 9:43 AM
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Declared firearms several times with AA out of Sacramento without issue. Ammo was in a factory box inside my luggage, not in the locked container with the handgun.

Had a somewhat funny experience with Alaska out of Sac recently. When I declared, the ticket agent made me put the declaration card INSIDE of my pistol case. There was a Sac Sheriff standing right there at the time and since he didn't correct her, neither did I.

About 20 minutes before my flight was to board. I see two deputies walking towards the counter at my gate. I tell my coworker I bet those guys are here for me. Sure enough, my name is on the PA. I can see the curious looks on everyone face as I walk towards the deputies. As I walk up I say to them "I knew that was going to be a problem" and one of them laughs and repeats what I say somewhat sarcastically. As they start to walk (escort) me away I start to explain what happened and that I wasn't trying to sneak a gun onto the plane without declaring it. One of them takes a picture of my ID, my cel number and the combo to my case. Then tell me they will call me if they have any issues.

All is fine and I take my flight to Indy. When I open my luggage at the rental car place (off airport) to arm myself, I find that my gun case wasn't closed/locked correctly and my handgun is just bouncing about in my luggage.
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Beginning late 2001 for a while there were inconsistencies regarding locks. I would say the cutting off locks and handling firearms was out of control.

In recent years, I have not had a significant problem with LAX, American Airlines, or other airlines. Counter lines are better thanks to kiosks, tsa lines are better especially with TSA -pre .

Small delays at times usually due to some worker or passenger without experience checking in a firearm.

For anecdotes, Last month, an airline in SFO couldn't find a declaration form and needed help. It was Alaska Airlines. Sometimes I get a little personal attitude both stern or friendly from the service agents. The friendly comments are always nice. People will have their opinions and not all can be totally professional.

As mentioned by others, rules and procedures for each airline are different.

I use an original box for ammo (if I have to take ammo), a hard box, A non-tsa lock, my cell phone number, a chamber flag/zip-tie , and because of that one incident in 2002, I carry a spare lock.

And I just need to ask after arrival in a new place where the luggage will be delivered because that varies between the main luggage belt, oversize, luggage office, or for the day before hunting season, the gun luggage table.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:03 AM
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I always just keep the ammo in the original packaging too keep things simple. I've never had an issue with individual airlines but I've run into issues with the airport as a whole. For example seatac and San Francisco airports. They both suck no matter what airline you choose. John Wayne and Long Beach continue to be the easiest.
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And we wonder why cops feel feel like people are out to get them.

Somebody does not follow the rules, they lose their ammo, and it's the cops' fault?

I would rather my ammo not go to waste.
I guess you chose to not read the rest of my post and quote me out of context. I am not responsible for the actions of someone else once that ammo is out of my hands. I do happen to own factory ammo that is loaded very hot for various reasons in various calibers.

If someone that stole it chooses to dispose of it by shooting it in personal guns how is that my fault or problem? Basically the same as purchasing random mystery ammo at a gun show or using random ammo you find on the ground at a shooting range.

I think in the extremely unlikely case of this happening a decent lawyer would have you acquitted. So Officer Joe Blow what is your departments policy on disposing of confiscated ammunition? Does it include firing it off in your personal guns? Well ummm, uh?

Not sure how all departments handle that I once had a gun and ammo confiscated but ultimately returned. The gun and ammo and a speedloader with it. I was given the gun but was told I'd have to make a separate trip for the ammo and if I didn't want to do that it would be destroyed.

It was just 12 rounds of standard factory ammo and a speedloader so I told them I didn't want to deal with that and to keep it. Not sure why I couldn't have the speedloader back empty.

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