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Old 04-12-2018, 9:55 PM
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This is my first visit to the Survival and Preparations section of the Calguns forum. I am a reasonably experienced backpacker and camper, and I am familiar with the concept of "everyday carry" and being prepared for emergencies. I don't know a whole lot about "prepping." I'm curious, are most of you prepping for shorter-term disasters such as earthquakes, riots, floods or a really bad influenza outbreak? Or are most of you genuinely prepping for a longer-term scenario such as post nuclear war, climate change, or a complete collapse of the government?

I greatly enjoy post-apocalyptic movies such as Mad Max, Waterworld, The Postman, The Book of Eli, and The Survivalist. Here and there I've given a few minutes thought about what I might do if the civilized world ended. But I personally don't feel motivated about long-term prepping. I've come to the conclusion that while these scenarios are entertaining as movies and books, I really would not like to live like that - scavenging the wastelands, desperately looking for food and clean water and hiding from bandits. Nor do I relish the idea of living isolated, far from danger and the remains of a broken civilization, trying to grow enough food to avoid starvation. I think I'd prefer to die in the first nuclear blast, rather than "stumble sightless through the smoldering aftermath" as was described by fictional Dr. Stephen Falken in the terrific movie War Games.

If you are a survivalist and you enjoy prepping, I have no problem with that. I was just wondering how deep into prepping most of you are going and what length of disaster most of you are prepping for?
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Both.

Im a firm believer that a husband/father should be able to provide for his family no matter what. Possibly from serving in the Balkans in the bad years I learned that food, clean water, hygiene products and medicine are everything.

We have a set up of 6 months worth of supplies for a family of 5 and two dogs.
But then I also have a garden, chickens and a back up well on my property.
The great thing about "long range thinking" is that it saves you money so that you can get the short range stuff going too.
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Short term (like an hour).

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Most earthquakes and "short term" stuff.. but I have enough to 6 months or so.. To be honest if the problem is longer than that then we are all totally screwed anyways, mostly because we live "in the city" and the population density is too high here. Maybe away from it all you could go for years and years, but not where we live.

So, we get an extra 6 months or so to work things out.. better than 99% of the people out there.
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Already bugged out. Been planting an orchard 100 trees a year the last three years and counting.

Well established feed plots pulling deer in and sustaining the local elk here (although the elk are partial to my young trees).

Creek has salmon.

Twenty+ years martial arts training so handy with blades, etc.

Been reloading and stock piling for a long time.

Got a steer in the freezer. Chickens and turkeys are going strong. Gettting a dozen eggs a day and laying season is just starting.

Working on the garden expanding to 8000sq ft and building a greenhouse - big one.

Root cellar cold storage is on the to do list.

Things are shaping up nicely.
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Already bugged out. Been planting an orchard 100 trees a year the last three years and counting.

Well established feed plots pulling deer in and sustaining the local elk here (although the elk are partial to my young trees).

Creek has salmon.

Twenty+ years martial arts training so handy with blades, etc.

Been reloading and stock piling for a long time.

Got a steer in the freezer. Chickens and turkeys are going strong. Gettting a dozen eggs a day and laying season is just starting.

Working on the garden expanding to 8000sq ft and building a greenhouse - big one.

Root cellar cold storage is on the to do list.

Things are shaping up nicely.

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For years I prepped enough for a week.
After my parents were in Monterey for that last big quake in that area.
Monterey was cut off for 5 days because of all the bridges that needed to be inspected. And no power for 5 days.
Seeing what happen to new orleans during the flood. And other floods.

I now prep for 30 days or more.

It gets expensive and takes up a lot of space. But I now am in the habit to spend a extra $20 On something on sale to stock up at the grocery store.

Generator and enough supplies to build a shelter if needed. I even keep copper pipe fittings to repair the water line. These fittings are in a zip lock bag that I know not to use or replace what I use asap.

It's endless.
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3 weeks to 3 months max.
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I prep for the short term event. In Florida we get hit by hurricanes and the short term is about a week.
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Started prepping years ago, both long and short term. Now that we are up in years we pretty much just maintain what we have.

Storage becomes an issue after a while so we attempt to keep around the items to be "most likely" needed for either scenario.

We have noticed over the years some of the newer products just don't hold up as well as the same product of the past, so rotating is a hassle but important.

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Prepping for the Big One.

My Initial goal was 10 days but now am pushing for 1 month.
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Prepping for the Big One.

My Initial goal was 10 days but now am pushing for 1 month.
Whats the big one?
THE earthquake?

A month would be about right I would figure. But water would take up allot of your space. A gallon a day would be 30 gallons per month, meh, maybe not that would be six, five gallon containers. Me and my ex used to have 8 on hand at any given moment.
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Already bugged out. Been planting an orchard 100 trees a year the last three years and counting.

Well established feed plots pulling deer in and sustaining the local elk here (although the elk are partial to my young trees).

Creek has salmon.

Twenty+ years martial arts training so handy with blades, etc.

Been reloading and stock piling for a long time.

Got a steer in the freezer. Chickens and turkeys are going strong. Gettting a dozen eggs a day and laying season is just starting.

Working on the garden expanding to 8000sq ft and building a greenhouse - big one.

Root cellar cold storage is on the to do list.

Things are shaping up nicely.
This is much better than most but if you had to close the gate tomorrow how long could you keep the irrigation running to the fruit/nut trees? how much chicken feed do you have? how long could you keep the freezer running with the steer? I'm not bashing one you by any means just wondering.
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For my family i think of it something like this:

one week - it would be fun, like camping

one month - we would run out of our normal food, fuel would be getting tightly rationed running our generator to just keep the freezer cold and to pump water. would run out of beer-have to switch to wine...

six months - things would be very tight. This would be subsistence type of life. we would be out of fuel for generator and hauling water by hand, the thought of this going on forever is naive...



My family and I live on a small (15ac) farm and live a pretty simple life. We do just about everything ourselves but need lots of inputs from the feed store, vet, hardware store and fuel. We keep about a years worth of hay in the barn for our cattle and goats but buy tons (literally)of grain and pellet feed for the hogs, weening calves and goats. I do all the butchering of our animals but it all goes into our electric freezer that i cant keep running forever. Our water comes from our well but I only keep enough fuel for the generator for about a month...Get the picture...

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This is much better than most but if you had to close the gate tomorrow how long could you keep the irrigation running to the fruit/nut trees? how much chicken feed do you have? how long could you keep the freezer running with the steer? I'm not bashing one you by any means just wondering.
Pretty much forever at my place. We have a 12 kv solar array with huge battery backup and generator. Our water system for the vineyard is gravity feed and pumps. We have fuel, propane and diesel to last 3 years or more and can stretch farther if we know resupply is not coming.

Besides the vineyard we have about 5 acres under till and grow a ton of food. Being Mormon our food stores are measured by the ton. My family has been doing this for a very long time.

We have beef, hogs, chickens and goats. We know how to raise them and process them.

If things get ugly we will destroy the bridges on both side of us and make it a 5 mile walk one way and 6 the other way to get to the ranch. We have taken ample preps to protect ourselves. My wife and I are responsible for our 7 children and 26 grandchildren. 5 of my children and family live on the ranch in their own homes and we are building the sixth home now.

My biggest fear is our own government or what replaces it.
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Pretty much forever at my place. We have a 12 kv solar array with huge battery backup and generator. Our water system for the vineyard is gravity feed and pumps. We have fuel, propane and diesel to last 3 years or more and can stretch farther if we know resupply is not coming.

Besides the vineyard we have about 5 acres under till and grow a ton of food. Being Mormon our food stores are measured by the ton. My family has been doing this for a very long time.

We have beef, hogs, chickens and goats. We know how to raise them and process them.

If things get ugly we will destroy the bridges on both side of us and make it a 5 mile walk one way and 6 the other way to get to the ranch. We have taken ample preps to protect ourselves. My wife and I are responsible for our 7 children and 26 grandchildren. 5 of my children and family live on the ranch in their own homes and we are building the sixth home now.

My biggest fear is our own government or what replaces it.
Well done Kevin! You are one of the few on here that i believe have a realistic view on what it takes AND have the resources in place to make it.
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I’m good for about a month of supplies. However I live a 1000’ feet from the ocean and about a mile to a large fresh water reservoir. My area is not super overpopulated and it wouldn’t be that difficult to make do in a ghetto fish camp for a year or so. My worry would be more about access to medical/dental than actual food.

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Most earthquakes and "short term" stuff.. but I have enough to 6 months or so.. To be honest if the problem is longer than that then we are all totally screwed anyways, mostly because we live "in the city" and the population density is too high here. Maybe away from it all you could go for years and years, but not where we live.

So, we get an extra 6 months or so to work things out.. better than 99% of the people out there.
EXACTLY! Short term - 1-4 weeks? Sure. (if you live in a large single family home.) No chance if you live in a condo or apartment (just not enough room to store stuff). Long Term? NO WAY. We live in the middle of a desert with a population density which makes it impossible to live without a working modern infrastructure.
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Our water table is high enough watering the orchard is almost not needed. Last summer we had a very hot spell and had to water twice. Pretty easy with the creek right there if needed.

Solar panel produces enough juice to keep the fridges and freezers running. 40 miles away is a glacier so ready ice year round of needed. It's quite a hike but we've done it before.

Also, I would likely switch to making jerky instead of long term reliance on freezers. I'm addition there's more than one way to long term preserve meats.

Putting in a bigger propane tank so we can have hot water more reliably.

Point is have a plan and page yourself as slow and steady wins the race.
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I think like a lot on here I started small. I think I started with 10 days canned food and water.

Then I made a little BOB.

Then upped my canned food to a month.

Then bought a 30 day food pail (has meal planner for 45 days less cal).

Then some rice and beans to extend out the food pail

Then food pails on sale again so bought another.

Somewhere in there I got the wind up lantern/light, first aid stuff/some abx/ solo stove/pressure cooker/light sticks after 4th of july 20c each/etc.

All in probably have 45 days H2O+water heater and 6 months food for one. So if 3/4 relatives take refuge with me after an earthquake or something a comfortable month food and maybe 2 weeks water(a creek not far away 6 months of the year) .

So 4/5 years collecting this stuff and a couple hundred dollars all in. Not like a big part of my life but I do remember the 89 quake and out power was out for 4 days.

I also practice financial prepping, if I loose my job I have reserves.
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I also practice financial prepping, if I loose my job I have reserves.
+1 , There’s something no one ever talks about...

We have 60days of food for a family of four and 6 months of water. If SHTF in Southern California, you’re gonna want way more than a gallon of water per person per day.

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CA did the prepping for me. I have enough to live indefinitely.

There are enough non gun owners that I will just take their water and eat their children. Good to go.
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Prepping for earthquakes and live in a Rural area so we'll get the earthquake repairs last.

So long term.
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CA did the prepping for me. I have enough to live indefinitely.

There are enough non gun owners that I will just take their water and eat their children. Good to go.
Man my stomach hurts now!!


I believe every adult should have at least 2 weeks of supplies. I'm working towards a 3 month supply, but am running out of room....Water storage is a chore!
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I prep for the long and that covers the short.

Something that gets over looked is salt. It's cheap and keeps. It will be very valuable/useful in the long game.

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Short term for now - water storage being the biggest issue. Realistically, prepped for 2 weeks down time for the big earthquake that's due. Ideally, I'd like to be ready for 6 months. We'll get there eventually.
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I’m good for about a month of supplies. However I live a 1000’ feet from the ocean and about a mile to a large fresh water reservoir. My area is not super overpopulated and it wouldn’t be that difficult to make do in a ghetto fish camp for a year or so. My worry would be more about access to medical/dental than actual food.
Once the food and water starts running out the people in the cities will swam like locusts to the mountains and rural areas to "live off the land" since they are pretty much idiots and think that's how it works.

In the cites people will flock to the water reservoirs spread around and areas like the Santa Ana river.. it won't be long before the idiots pollute the water with fecal material and start causing fun stuff like Cholera..

The problem with "city folk" is that they think the wilderness is packed with game and that fresh water stays that way.
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^ I plan on this as well. It’s pretty easy to solar still sea water or use an old fashion still if you got wood to burn so I keep plenty handy. The water filters will handle 99.9% of viruses so they claim.

Most of the population is so pathetic they will lay down and die within the first 50 miles of walking. 3 days without clean water and I’d say half will perish from dehydration. I’d also be willing to wager most head for the hills under the assumption that there is game everywhere. They will be in for a big surprise. The best food source in this state is in the ocean, not the hills.

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Most earthquakes and "short term" stuff.. but I have enough to 6 months or so.. To be honest if the problem is longer than that then we are all totally screwed anyways, mostly because we live "in the city" and the population density is too high here. Maybe away from it all you could go for years and years, but not where we live.

So, we get an extra 6 months or so to work things out.. better than 99% of the people out there.
Tell that to the people in New Orleans who still haven't rebuilt following Katrina. IF the big one hits, California has no where near the funds to rebuild the infrastructure and the insurance agencies will be bankrupted as well.
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While I would like to think I am pretty well set up for long term I am not.
Cattle, chickens, garden, 12k gallons water on demand, rural property that backs up to BLM. Stocks of dried rice/peas/beans.
Medication for those that need it will begin killing off a lot in short order.
Even with this it will take 20 people minimum to defend and work the land for any type of long term survival. Read lights out for a realistic view on this component. Anyone have room for 20 (60 with families?) through the winter?
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I'm good for a solid three months on everything but water, I might be good for water for that long but it's iffy. If we're three months deep into eating my food storage something pretty awful has happened. So while I kind of try to be prepared in some fashion for the long haul, it's hard for me to see past three months. That would change perhaps if I lived in a more rural area.

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My worry would be more about access to medical/dental than actual food.
Don't you know doctors and dentists Mike? I'm sure you do and you probably know a few nurses, I think most of us do. I do make sure my prep supplies include a pretty stout trauma first aid kit and a bottle of opiate painkillers and a couple of basic antibiotics as well as an abbreviated PDR. I can definitely imagine a scenario in an earthquake or something similar where you might need to stick it out for a couple days in tough shape. I have a 100 capsule supply of my blood pressure meds too.
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I am not a prepper. But I enjoy reading about it as a fun mental exercise on occasion. Professionally, I am always thinking about all the risks and weighing them against possible mitigating actions, countermeasures, etc.
I've learned that some people get so caught up in the "what-ifs" of low-probability events that they waste resources, time and otherwise fail to plan for the higher-probability event -- that things will remain basically the same for our lifetime & beyond. So I try not to take it too seriously.

So I "prep" by having multiple, usable basic skills in all sorts of fun things. I can farm, hunt, fish, shoot, reload, make passable archery gear from scratch (and shoot it accurately), defend myself with or without weapons, help with injuries, hike many miles over rough terrain, navigate, build shelters and otherwise take care of myself and my family. I also spend some time alone in the wilderness a few times each year, read prolifically, run long distances, train in martial arts and a host of other things that I just call fun. Like my carry permit, it's probably all just a big waste of time & money and I'll never really NEED it. But I enjoy it. So it's entertainment, not real prepping with any seriousness.

Most of all, I make friends in my community. Should things go south, only the idiots or the crazies will go it alone. Humans have always been tribal and we require a group to thrive in all settings, whether that's some sort of apocalypse or just another day here in the USA. Having friends and being able to make friends is, in my opinion, much more important than any other skill.

Over the years, I've managed to read quite a bit about "primitive" cultures. Everything from archaeology, anthropology, history, etc. Some of it is formal education and some of it is just fun reading. All of it has helped me learn a lot about my environment, how people react under stress, how people organize themselves, ways that people survive and thrive, etc. Lately, I've become pretty convinced that most "prepping" is actually just an acting out of an intense fear of death. There's a very detailed rationale behind it but it's not very rational in the greater scheme of things. Looking at how other cultures viewed death in the face of 40% mortality (the same as most other species on this planet), I've become much less fearful of death itself and more fearful of death without purpose. So, if we face some sort of catastrophic event as a society, I feel that I am both very valuable as an asset to my community and also very dangerous to any aggressor. I already know that I'm going to die sometime. And the guy nobody wants to fight is the one who doesn't fear death or is willing to endure anything for his or her tribe. In the scheme of Mindset-Tactics-Gear, I have the first 2/3 to my satisfaction. #3 is pretty easy to obtain from all the people who fail to have #1 & #2.
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A couple of months of food, and two independent methods of cooking said food if the gas lines go down, but water is the challenge.
I keep a week's worth in containers.
We are on a well, but the pump is hardwired to the house, so that would have to be bodged to get water.
And I'm not sure if my little generator is even capable of powering the pump.
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A couple of months of food, and two independent methods of cooking said food if the gas lines go down, but water is the challenge.
I keep a week's worth in containers.
We are on a well, but the pump is hardwired to the house, so that would have to be bodged to get water.
And I'm not sure if my little generator is even capable of powering the pump.
I hope people realize submersible pumps require 208-240v to operate normally
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I hope people realize submersible pumps require 208-240v to operate normally
That's why we have a hand pump!
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I guess you would call my preps short-term.

The most likely scenario where I live is a severe earthquake where all utilities are down for up to 60 days.

It's a localized event, so the rest of the country is fine and will eventually come to the rescue with supplies.

I'm ready for that.

Food, water, light, heat, meds, 1st aid, etc. I have it.

I don't have the skills, money, land, staff, knowledge, etc. to set up and defend a long-term compound.

It doesn't matter what you store, it will eventually run out. You MUST have the resources to renew your food and water supply via farming, wells/purification and livestock management to make it work long-term.

And there will always be people willing and able to take it away from you.

It's REALLY HARD to defend a fixed position for any length of time against a determined enemy.

So I just plan for the most likely (earthquake) and hope for the best.
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Mostly short term, 6 weeks or less.
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When I read posts from guys with bug-out locations that are stocked,
I realize I'm not hardly prepared; it'll come down to an event happening
to test my mettle from the short-term preparation I've made to long-term.
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