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Old 09-15-2021, 9:11 AM
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I love everyone's responses, what rubbish ya'll spew.... think about it long and hard THEY WERE ABLE TO STEAL A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION this whas a tiny one state election and if you think they couldn't accomplish that you're truly obtuse.
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I love everyone's responses, what rubbish ya'll spew.... think about it long and hard THEY WERE ABLE TO STEAL A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION this whas a tiny one state election and if you think they couldn't accomplish that you're truly obtuse.
The numbers are not even remotely a close race. This isn't a matter of if they are capable of stealing the election. This is a matter of having no need to steal the election, because 2/3rds of California voters are fecking morons.

I think a lot of people here tend to forget that Calguns is not an accurate representation of the people in this state. Not even close. The overwhelming majority of people in this state absolutely LOVE gavin and would happily give him a reacharound if given the opportunity.

If you actually think that a majority of this state wants to replace Newsom with a Republican, then you're the one who is delusional.

I mean, look... I made sure I voted. I made sure to tell everyone I know to vote. But I also knew there was very little chance in succeeding. But we had to at least try. You can't win if you don't play, and all that jazz. But to think that CA voters would decide to eject a D and replace him with an R is truly obtuse.

If it was a super close race, then I'd be right on board with you saying we should at least investigate the potential for voter fraud. But come on, this was not even remotely close.
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Or Independents are smart enough to know D and R are simply different sides of the same coin.

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Not in California. They vote Democrat here. Lets see no Independent candidate has won a seat in California. And before you say people don't vote for them. The reason because they can't win.

Until Democrats lose Independent voters carry responsibility for their continued rule here.
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:17 AM
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Seems that he was already doing that.
This only emboldens his party to continue that path, as the citizenry has made a clear choice, and given him and his legislature a mandate to continue with whatever wacky ideas they can come up with.
I can see the various mandates only growing; mask, vax, assigned housing for his vagrant friends into private homes, increased taxes of all sorts, new fees, elimination of anything that uses fossil fuels, etc, etc.
Hence my sig line with gun control. Prop 63 only emboldened them to pass what ever they want. And they have.

I agree with what you said.
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California is doomed to be run for and by people from third world ****holes and the liberal élite who use them to gain and keep power.
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:09 AM
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California is doomed to be run for and by people from third world ****holes and the liberal élite who use them to gain and keep power.
That is why I'm not retiring in this state. Let it rot. They already let it literally burn to the ground.
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Rob Scheinder was right. The people of California will vote for POS if it has D next to it.
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:33 AM
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I still think my idea of harping on Newsom's EDD fraud is best.


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...0#post25929510

Link it with strong possibility that non-payment of Gibs will become the new normal.

If you look at FSU in years after fall of USSR non-payments of pensions, wages, etc was SOP.

If Governor can give the nod to Creative Mismanagement and cause long standing perfectly well running programs like EDD to stop paying legit claims and start doing $13 billion in "fraud" whats to say they can't stop paying your SSI or your doctor's Medi-Cal claims or Food Stamps or Welfare, or Civil Service salaries?

IMO EDD was used first because it was correctly assumed previously employeed would have some money or assets to live on, and the gainfully employeed private sector of population is least likely to be disruptive.

But I'm also pretty sure it was just another stolen election. Elections in USA are structured so you can't tell if your vote was correctly counted and many GOP voters reported being told "you already voted".

Stats are saying all groups including "White Males" voted for Newsom. If only White Male votes were counted Trump would have won all 50 States.

The story that convicts in prisons were doing the $13 Billion in EDD fraud holds no water. They are in prison and all calls and mail is monitored. I worked on a few prisons/jails and jailers tell me its not so much snitches, its "bitches" of inmates that can't keep their mouths shut when their man does a nice score, and its her jealous female friends that end up being snitches, or just spewing it all over town. So I'm not buying that 1000s of convicts were able to conduct a multi-billion heist and no one heard, and it all has to go through a single system that checks against actual wage/tax records going back over a year. Unless there were fake taxes for MONTHS prior being paid EDD wont make a valid claim.

Prediction: It will be found 99% of the $13 Billion was not doled out in weekly size EDD checks to known inmates, but somehow got sent to off shore banks in the Cayman Islands before being sent elsewhere, but no one can figure out how, because legally it can't be investigated, just like the $2 Trillion missing from Pentagon on 9/10.


While I like Elder's issue of School Choice (and at $10K per kid per year lots of people could run excellent private schools) from my School Security Guard friends I'm feeling most parents would rather not take any responsibility for finding/picking/monitoring a Choice school and don't care the default Public School is garbage.
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:52 PM
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25% are foreign born here and think it's great, at least compared to the sh*thole they came from. Others are programmed by the government propaganda centers (public schools).

It would have to get much worse here for those people to care. Californians have not suffered enough pain yet. Those that have voted with their feet creating a void filled by homeless and immigrants.
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I checked my voting status and it's still not available. I dropped the sealed envelope at the voting place. Does anyone know why? Does that mean my vote isn't counted?
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It would have to get much worse here for those people to care. Californians have not suffered enough pain yet.
Yep, another post said same thing. Rock bottom is much farther down than most of us think it is.
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2/3rds of California voters are fecking morons. The majority of people in this state absolutely LOVE gavin
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Nope. What happens in CA just spreads to the other states.
I am not saying give up the WAR... I am saying give up the battle... if conservative Californians moved out to red states, then they could help shore up defenses where it MATTERS and our TIME, EFFORT, and MONEY would actually help count for something...

If you have HOPE for CA, please let us know.. not trying to be a smartass, but it's over.. we lost CA... its OK though... wars are not won without losing some battles in most cases and this is the case here in CA...
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I am not saying give up the WAR... I am saying give up the battle... if conservative Californians moved out to red states, then they could help shore up defenses where it MATTERS and our TIME, EFFORT, and MONEY would actually help count for something...

If you have HOPE for CA, please let us know.. not trying to be a smartass, but it's over.. we lost CA... its OK though... wars are not won without losing some battles in most cases and this is the case here in CA...
This state was lost 30 years ago. It's only gotten worse since then. 20 years ago the crap they are pulling would have never happened. Today it's common place.
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25% are foreign born here and think it's great, at least compared to the sh*thole they came from. Others are programmed by the government propaganda centers (public schools).

It would have to get much worse here for those people to care. Californians have not suffered enough pain yet. Those that have voted with their feet creating a void filled by homeless and immigrants.
I've said this before but.. it burns my azz that they come across our borders... escaping poverty, socialism/communism, lack of any future... and when they arrive, they vote and support the very same thing that they left... you know what that tells us? it tells us that the narrative of 'they just want a better life and work hard bla bla' is a bunch of sh1t... they are coming here for the goodies
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This state was lost 30 years ago. It's only gotten worse since then. 20 years ago the crap they are pulling would have never happened. Today it's common place.
We just need to leave.. the other thing is, say all conservatives left the state overnight in pretend land... it would just accelerate the collapse of CA and it would show the rest of the U.S. if not the world (if it even matters) what socialism does... and besides that, like I said, when we shore up in red states, our passion will PAY OFF unlike here in CA

We are wasting time here in CA ...
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We just need to leave.. the other thing is, say all conservatives left the state overnight in pretend land... it would just accelerate the collapse of CA and it would show the rest of the U.S. if not the world (if it even matters) what socialism does... and besides that, like I said, when we shore up in red states, our passion will PAY OFF unlike here in CA

We are wasting time here in CA ...
Dude I'm just waiting until I retire that's it. Unless a family issue arises that will accelerate my departure.
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I got many people to register to vote for the first time to vote the clown out of office hell even my mother voted and it was her first time doing so ever, only took 46 years.

I'm done with this state I'll keep working at my current job as long as it stays open and whether it's 1 year or 10 years from now and when the owner shuts it down I'm going to move to a free state.

It's ridiculous I can move to Texas right now and buy a house cash and have plenty of money left over. Not to mention I can enjoy real freedom. But not California the idiot liberals are so far gone they can't see how bad this state is until it hits them in their own neighborhood and when it happened to a friend of mine he just shrugged it off and buried his head in the sand.

California is a lost cause let it burn to the ground and turn into a 3rd world **** hole.
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I got many people to register to vote for the first time to vote the clown out of office hell even my mother voted and it was her first time doing so ever, only took 46 years.

I'm done with this state I'll keep working at my current job as long as it stays open and whether it's 1 year or 10 years from now and when the owner shuts it down I'm going to move to a free state.

It's ridiculous I can move to Texas right now and buy a house cash and have plenty of money left over. Not to mention I can enjoy real freedom. But not California the idiot liberals are so far gone they can't see how bad this state is until it hits them in their own neighborhood and when it happened to a friend of mine he just shrugged it off and buried his head in the sand.

California is a lost cause let it burn to the ground and turn into a 3rd world **** hole.
Yup... we need to take the lose, move on, and shore up in a red state for battle #2
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Yup... we need to take the lose, move on, and shore up in a red state for battle #2
I kinda wish that instead of everyone fleeing CA, we'd have more people from red states moving here instead, to fight alongside us on our home turf. I feel like making CA an even bigger democrat stronghold by abandoning it isn't really helping either this state nor the country as a whole, it's just a temporary solution for the person who's fleeing.

That said, I also can't blame anyone for leaving. I often want to, as well.
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I kinda wish that instead of everyone fleeing CA, we'd have more people from red states moving here instead, to fight alongside us on our home turf. I feel like making CA an even bigger democrat stronghold by abandoning it isn't really helping either this state nor the country as a whole, it's just a temporary solution for the person who's fleeing.

That said, I also can't blame anyone for leaving. I often want to, as well.
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25% are foreign born here and think it's great, at least compared to the sh*thole they came from. Others are programmed by the government propaganda centers (public schools).

It would have to get much worse here for those people to care. Californians have not suffered enough pain yet. Those that have voted with their feet creating a void filled by homeless and immigrants.
A foreign born here. I'm voting red and so are all my friends. Unlike local "progressives", I lived through socialism and not in my wildest dreams I want it to be around again.
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I kinda wish that instead of everyone fleeing CA, we'd have more people from red states moving here instead, to fight alongside us on our home turf. I feel like making CA an even bigger democrat stronghold by abandoning it isn't really helping either this state nor the country as a whole, it's just a temporary solution for the person who's fleeing.

That said, I also can't blame anyone for leaving. I often want to, as well.
It would be a waste of time and there are not enough of us ... we need to consolidate... not diversify... EDIT, another thing,... If I said this even 5 years ago, people on this site would literally call me the devil and crucify me... but look how time is agreeing with my theory... every year that goes by in CA, the worse it gets in spite of all the fighting here..

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We should consolidate to a state where we still have SOME DUE PROCESS... and then fight like a mother for her child...
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We should consolidate to a state where we still have SOME DUE PROCESS... and then fight like a mother for her child...
What makes anyone think that those who ran away from a fight in one state will fight in another? You're going to build a team and you are going to chose the very people who ran away from some other place? No one really wants them. That is why they hang out here telling you how they just bought this or that or sit on every thread talking about things that don't apply to anyone living in California. Think about it.

Consolidate? Another word for bunch together like lambs going to slaughter. Wild pigs consolidate, birds consolidate, fish consolidate and all are prey to the predators who feast on them endlessly.

Why not consolidate into one county or region in California and start from there? Why aren't conservatives and all those who embrace the 2nd/A just going to some county in California and establishing and stronghold there and then building on that? What is stopping them? For one thing, running away is easier. Opportunity? There is plenty right here. Everything is right here if instead of running away they just moved to conservative areas and made sure those never fall into liberal hands. Then they elect the Sheriff and on and on. So what if you can't get some new SIG pistol- is that all people think about, which shiney new gun they can get?
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An interesting thing I noticed about the recall vote counts, it appears that almost everyone who voted "No" didn't answer Question #2 at all. Elder took over 47% of that vote, followed very distantly by Paffrath with less than 10%.

Kind of nullifies the argument that we kept seeing around here about how "splitting the vote is going to cause another D to replace Newsom". Turns out that was never really a concern, even if the recall succeeded. Elder's voters could've been split up evenly amongst 3 other R's and we still wouldn't have had a D win.

We lost this election, but that doesn't mean we can't pull some useful information from it for later
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There are a estimated 2.9 million ballots still to be counted. San Diego, LA & Alameda counties apparently have the largest number of ballots yet to be counted. SacBee & Fresno Bee both reporting this. Approx 9.6 million votes have been tallied so far.
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What makes anyone think that those who ran away from a fight in one state will fight in another? You're going to build a team and you are going to chose the very people who ran away from some other place? No one really wants them. That is why they hang out here telling you how they just bought this or that or sit on every thread talking about things that don't apply to anyone living in California. Think about it.

Consolidate? Another word for bunch together like lambs going to slaughter. Wild pigs consolidate, birds consolidate, fish consolidate and all are prey to the predators who feast on them endlessly.

Why not consolidate into one county or region in California and start from there? Why aren't conservatives and all those who embrace the 2nd/A just going to some county in California and establishing and stronghold there and then building on that? What is stopping them? For one thing, running away is easier. Opportunity? There is plenty right here. Everything is right here if instead of running away they just moved to conservative areas and made sure those never fall into liberal hands. Then they elect the Sheriff and on and on. So what if you can't get some new SIG pistol- is that all people think about, which shiney new gun they can get?
That's feel good banter.. it's not about giving up ... it's about consolidating power... like I said in a post above, tell me the projection of politics in CA that gives us any hope?? can you?? CA is gone bro...
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Republicans have lost Orange County, and it's a stark harbinger for their future. Newsom took OC with 51% of the vote in 2018, and gained support in defeating the recall with 52% of the vote. What was once reliable GOP territory continues to shift, to the advantage of Democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/u...ge-county.html
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An interesting thing I noticed about the recall vote counts, it appears that almost everyone who voted "No" didn't answer Question #2 at all. Elder took over 47% of that vote, followed very distantly by Paffrath with less than 10%.

Kind of nullifies the argument that we kept seeing around here about how "splitting the vote is going to cause another D to replace Newsom". Turns out that was never really a concern, even if the recall succeeded. Elder's voters could've been split up evenly amongst 3 other R's and we still wouldn't have had a D win.

We lost this election, but that doesn't mean we can't pull some useful information from it for later
that is because on the ballot, it is said that if you vote "No" on the recall you do not choose a replacement candidate.

so the only people voting for a replacement candidate are those we vote "Yes" and Elder and Cox were the only real names even mentioned on the news and Elder was the only one mentioned by Gavin himself.
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That's feel good banter.. it's not about giving up ... it's about consolidating power... like I said in a post above, tell me the projection of politics in CA that gives us any hope?? can you?? CA is gone bro...
Consolidating power? Where, what state? It isn't like everyone in California that is leaving is going to the same place. Californians who leave and go elsewhere aren't an influence where they end up. They are refugees.

If California is gone as you say it isn't because of anything but conservatives rolling over. It wasn't like conservatives gave away Rhode Island, it was the most populous state in the Union. Once that was given away why does anyone dream the other states won't fall too? Those are different people?

You tell me, if conservatives moved to northern California where there is conservative consolidation then with enough population there might be some power there. But noooo, lets move to some other state and say we'll consolidate. They could consolidate all of Northern CA and push for a State split. If you say that couldn't happen then exactly how does moving to another state make anything happen?

Consolidation is called fish in a barrel. Why? Because if conservatives rolled over and gifted the democrat's the state of California why are they suddenly going to fight some good fight elsewhere?

I'll tell you the political outlook for California. Its going to stay the same because now the democrats have it. Democrats don't have to spend money or effort on California so now the democrats can just use the entire state to go after other states. Can you say Nevada and Oregon?

So explain this consolidation because it sure seems to be the big secret no one else knows about.
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Old 09-20-2021, 7:32 AM
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that is because on the ballot, it is said that if you vote "No" on the recall you do not choose a replacement candidate.

so the only people voting for a replacement candidate are those we vote "Yes" and Elder and Cox were the only real names even mentioned on the news and Elder was the only one mentioned by Gavin himself.
That's entirely wrong. I read my ballot thoroughly, and it had no such claim.
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So what's the final count?
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Like the Iowa primary we will never know.
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That's entirely wrong. I read my ballot thoroughly, and it had no such claim.
Indeed, there was no such instruction on the ballot.

I think the reason for it was more due to Gavin explicitly telling his voters to pick "No" on question #1, and to leave question #2 blank. His reasoning was purely selfish - he decided it would look worse for him to be replaced by another democrat, than to be replaced by a republican. Losing to a Republican, he could just say "blame the Trump supporters" or some similar nonsense, and he could run for public office again in the future with some chance for success. Whereas losing to a Democrat would mean he's such a terrible governor that even his own party hates him, and his career in the public life would be over. Thus, he recommended/implied that everybody should let a Republican win if he gets recalled.

It blows my mind that 63% of people didn't see right through that for what it really was - selfish, with complete disregard for the state. He'd rather let the state be run by the party he claims is destroying America, than risk any damage to his career. That says a lot about who he is as a person - but somehow, nobody was listening.
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