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Old 08-25-2021, 6:31 AM
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The 95% effective vaccine is pretty leaky

https://thelibertydaily.com/guess-wh...ave-in-common/

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The Cowboys announced Saturday that their player vaccination rate is 93 percent. They have four players and defensive coordinator Dan Quinn in COVID-19 protocol, but Quinn, Carlos Watkins and CeeDee Lamb, all of whom tested positive, are fully vaccinated, Calvin Watkins of the Dallas Morning News reports.

In fact, earlier this month the NFL Players Association announced that nearly half of all infected individuals in the league (32 out of 65) were “vaccinated individuals,” meaning the Cowboys’ situation is not an anomaly.
Vaxxers will say ".....but but but you shouldn't expect the vax to be 100%!"

Sure, but I'd expect the unvaxxed to catch more covid than the vaxxed. This isn't happening is Israel.
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Must've been those 7% unvaxed that spread the COVID
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Vaxxers will say ".....but but but you shouldn't expect the vax to be 100%!"
That has been the talking point widely bleated by the vax Nazis. So much for their initial claim of "Get the vaccine and keep yourself SAFE from the Coronavirus".
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Seatbelts don't ensure that wearers never die or are injured in car accidents.

The Cowboy's results could be simply the vaxxed are being less careful than the unvaxxed.
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Seatbelts don't ensure that wearers never die or are injured in car accidents.

The Cowboy's results could be simply the vaxxed are being less careful than the unvaxxed.
If getting the vaccine means one still has to be just as careful as the unvaccinated, then why not just be careful and skip the vaccine?
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That has been the talking point widely bleated by the vax Nazis. So much for their initial claim of "Get the vaccine and keep yourself SAFE from the Coronavirus".
That was never the claim, 95% effective rate with 180 Million vaxed means 9 million breakthrough cases.

Guess you skipped math.
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Is that 5% per month? Per year? Per life time?

I think that's an important metric to have. A 5% breakthrough rate in about 3 months comes out to be 20% annually. That's not a very good vaccine.
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That was never the claim...
Yes, it certainly was. And early on, everyone I met that was vaccinated strutted around crowing about how they were free to do as they pleased, because they got the vax.

The idea that being vaccinated was a shield that rebuked the virus was very much being peddled. Until it wasn't.
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Yes, it certainly was. And early on, everyone I met that was vaccinated strutted around crowing about how they were free to do as they pleased, because they got the vax.

The idea that being vaccinated was a shield that rebuked the virus was very much being peddled. Until it wasn't.
So your friends skipped math too. Probably products of the California School System. They said 95% effective from day one. Probably just heard what you wanted to hear.
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So your friends skipped math too. Probably products of the California School System. They said 95% effective from day one. Probably just heard what you wanted to hear.
Juvenile insults aside, you're wrong. Also - the word "friend" does not appear anywhere in my previous post, so you're reading comprehension skills are a bit suspect.
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The 95% effective vaccine is pretty leaky

https://thelibertydaily.com/guess-wh...ave-in-common/



Vaxxers will say ".....but but but you shouldn't expect the vax to be 100%!"

Sure, but I'd expect the unvaxxed to catch more covid than the vaxxed. This isn't happening is Israel.

It is expected that those who are vaccinated will still contract Covid. The goal is to reduce the symptoms.

Yeah I know the sales hype might have said otherwise but the real story under the sales pitch has said this since before these vaccines were released.
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So your friends skipped math too. Probably products of the California School System. They said 95% effective from day one. Probably just heard what you wanted to hear.
And even before it was available to the general public the data was showing real world efficacy anywhere from the 60s to 90s depending on which vaccine and which study... (As I recall somewhere in the 80s was the sweet spot.) I have not continued to track this issue, the numbers might actually be in the 90s.

But let us say it is 95% that means you have a 95% chance of having reduced symptoms when you contract Covid; not that you won't contract Covid.
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If getting the vaccine means one still has to be just as careful as the unvaccinated, then why not just be careful and skip the vaccine?
Because the consequences (symptoms/likelihood of death) when you contract Covid can be FAR WORSE if you are not vaccinated.
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It is expected that those who are vaccinated will still contract Covid. The goal is to reduce the symptoms.

Yeah I know the sales hype might have said otherwise but the real story under the sales pitch has said this since before these vaccines were released.
Who cares about symptoms? Society has always dealt with headaches and runny noses. You pop a Dayquil and continue with your day. If a fever, go home and rest.
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Because the consequences (symptoms/likelihood of death) when you contract Covid can be FAR WORSE if you are not vaccinated.
Millions have contracted the wuhan virus and claimed it was more like a flu.

What this "vaccine" is really not a vaccine, but more of a preventive remedy. A preventive remedy with its own adverse consequences in a small number of people.

Virus = small number of people go to hospital, with a smaller subset of that dying

"Vaccine" = small number of people go to hospital due to adverse reactions, with a smaller subset of that dying

I fail to see the pay off in getting this "vaccine." Add to that the unknown long term consequences years down the line that no one knows about. I'm waiting for all the beta test to be completed before I decide.
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The question is, would they have even known they were infected if not for the tests they have to frequently take? The article at WFAA never says they are sick.

If they had no symptoms and only found out because they have to test, a strong argument could be made for vaccine effectiveness.

But of course any story can be spun
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Because the consequences (symptoms/likelihood of death) when you contract Covid can be FAR WORSE if you are not vaccinated.

Only for the elderly/sick/obese
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Because the consequences (symptoms/likelihood of death) when you contract Covid can be FAR WORSE if you are not vaccinated.
That's not what the most recent data is saying. Out of the UK this week, hospitalizations are lower than unvaccinated, but deaths are double the unvaccinated.
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Millions have contracted the wuhan virus and claimed it was more like a flu.

What this "vaccine" is really not a vaccine, but more of a preventive remedy. A preventive remedy with its own adverse consequences in a small number of people.

Virus = small number of people go to hospital, with a smaller subset of that dying

"Vaccine" = small number of people go to hospital due to adverse reactions, with a smaller subset of that dying

I fail to see the pay off in getting this "vaccine." Add to that the unknown long term consequences years down the line that no one knows about. I'm waiting for all the beta test to be completed before I decide.
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Can be? I mean, no one knows, so they can be FAR MILDER too. The shot is a sham. It's BS.
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I doubt 93% of the players are truly vaccinated. These are pro athletes that make big bucks, their health is incredibly vital to their career. I bet they walked into a pharmacy and drop some Ben Franklin's, the trashcan gets vaccinated and they walk away with a card.
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Ryan Tannehill was forced to get the vax and is now covid-positive. A lot of good that did him! Now on the "covid reserve list", whatever that is. (ie. not really sick, but registered positive on some completely contrived test)

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“The NFL has kind of made it clear what they want to happen. If you don’t fall in line, they’re gonna to make your life miserable with all the protocols,” Tannehill said in July. “I wouldn’t have gotten the vaccine, without the protocols that they’re enforcing on us,” he added. “I think it’s a personal decision for everyone, everyone has to make the best decision for them and their families. That’s kind of our mindset in this building. But they’re trying to force your hand and they ultimately have forced a lot of hands by the protocols.”
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Eight coaches & players from the Saints, Fully Vaxxed, come up with the C19

95% effective.... they must have found the 5% loophole

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The Cowboy's results could be simply the vaxxed are being less careful than the unvaxxed.
Vax for covid is the equivalent to wearing a helmet in rush hour traffic on the way to work.

The seatbelt analogy isn't even close.
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It is expected that those who are vaccinated will still contract Covid. The goal is to reduce the symptoms.

Yeah I know the sales hype might have said otherwise but the real story under the sales pitch has said this since before these vaccines were released.
18+ months later - millions haven't needed help reducing symptoms.

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Is that 5% per month? Per year? Per life time?

I think that's an important metric to have. A 5% breakthrough rate in about 3 months comes out to be 20% annually. That's not a very good vaccine.
So the lied about the effective. In the coming years we find out if they lied about the safe.
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Everyone is getting covid sooner or later. That is just how it is going to be. The current vax simply reduces the risk of having a serious case.

It is all about overall risk. The older you are the more risk reduction you get from getting the vax. If you are old and fat even more risk reduction from getting the vax.

This is how I thought it was going to go from the start. There was a lot of false hope. Doesn't mean that there will not be another vax in the future that is much more effective.

The ones really doing it wrong are places like New Zealand where they think they can keep it out. Good luck to them. At least they have a lot of sheep to eat, because their economy is in the process of getting flushed harder than our econy.

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I do , like why you always defending Sputter?
Lets stick with his bet, that a pro NFL athlete walked into a Pharmacy, Cmon man, these guys are celebrities and they just do not walk into anywhere, their inner circle peeps do all the leg work. Just shows how outta touch some people are with what really happens in the world. Maybe that was his attempt at humor or sarcasm. Sputter is alight in my book cuz he loves God, but I just do not like the vax is poison /and his gloom outlook for the world that took the poison.

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More proof it's just the flu
That can't be true. The flu has decided to temporarily retire in honor of Covid.

We typically average at least 10k positive specimens a year, often increasing to 60k or more, yet 2020 had 1,800 and change. The official statement by the CDC is that masking and social distancing account for this drop, yet somehow the masking and distancing didn't seem to reduce Covid cases...

Fortunately for us, flu just happened to decide to vanish just in time for this Covid pandemic, or we might be dealing with both at the same time!
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Eight coaches & players from the Saints, Fully Vaxxed, come up with the C19

95% effective.... they must have found the 5% loophole

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