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Old 07-31-2018, 7:43 PM
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I've read in other threads that Gore is hiring more staff for his CCW unit and they've contacted OCSO for advice on how to process more CCW apps. Those 2 things, along with Gore continuing to issue more and more CCWs after the election -- give me confidence that he's truly changed his mind re. CCWs and CCWers and that SD Co deserves to be "light green" on the CCW GC map.
But why? It's just hard for me to believe that he would find religion and change his mind after all this time. Does he really now believe carrying is a right?
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Old 07-31-2018, 7:54 PM
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But why? It's just hard for me to believe that he would find religion and change his mind after all this time. Does he really now believe carrying is a right?
My guess is it's all about the $$$... all these new permits can form a pretty good alternate source of revenue for his department. Plus it's at zero cost...

... Politically he's appeasing both sides of the isle, he can still claim he's only issuing to those exhibiting a confirmed good cause, but he can also claim he's issuing more permits.

... His buddies in OC probably told him that even with their spike, permit holders aren't the ones causing crime issues. It's not like there's a spike in crime by having more permit holders... ie there's no downside to having more of us out there.
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My guess is it's all about the $$$... all these new permits can form a pretty good alternate source of revenue for his department. Plus it's at zero cost...
Wrong. Best guess is the SDSO CCW unit is operating at a deficit (i.e., costs the SO more than it takes in from fees). See p. 42 - 44 of the state auditor's report: http://www.auditor.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2017-101.pdf
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Old 07-31-2018, 8:22 PM
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Wrong. Best guess is the SDSO CCW unit is operating at a deficit (i.e., costs the SO more than it takes in from fees). See p. 42 - 44 of the state auditor's report: http://www.auditor.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2017-101.pdf
ah, then maybe it's just for the politics of it.
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Old 07-31-2018, 8:26 PM
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But why? It's just hard for me to believe that he would find religion and change his mind after all this time.
That's the $64,000 question.... He did voluntarily stop appealing Peruta. Some said it was because of legal costs, but IMO, that's peanuts for 3.3M strong SD County's budget. Maybe the state audit and SDCGO pressure, both last summer, had an effect? Maybe a viable contender who was also for SD = GC, Myers, had an effect. Maybe all 3 of those and reports of CCWers saving officers' lives (see link in my sig line for examples) had a cumulative effect. I just don't know.

Related: What would it take for Gore to change his mind back? One bad shoot by a SDSO CCWer? Two???

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Does he really now believe carrying is a right?
I doubt that. If he did, he'd accept SD = GC and he doesn't.

Also, he seems very content to enforcing the law and not imposing his personal beliefs, so as long as the courts say May Issue is constitutionally okay and our state's May Issue law requires GC and evidence to support it, he'll require GC beyond SD.

IMO, the thing you SD folk have to do is to support him when he asks the Board of Sups for more money, esp if for CCW related needs (staffing, new office space, online CCW app process) and ensure that more and more folks hear that things have changed, that they may be able to get CCW and, for just $105, apply to find out. I would not feel politically "safe" until there's ~20,000 SDSO CCWers -- ~1% of the adult population. My guess is that you'll have another sheriff's election before you get there and Gore probably won't be running again.

For me: I won't be spending as much time in SD Co threads as I have. I'm in the SFBA. Hopefully, Young or some other Carry case will come to our rescue up here (and SB, LA and Imperial in SoCal).

ETA: I should mention that with over 1,500 issued CCWs I'm thinking that's a record for SDSO. I doubt it has ever had that many issue before. I've asked baggss, to whom I sent old CCW stat documents, if he can look into that and post what he finds. Also, my estimate is CA recently passed 100,000 CCWs statewide -- another record, I'd bet. AFAIK, we did NOT lose any counties to anti sheriffs in the June election and we'll find out after they're sworn in next January what the new Sonoma and Yolo county sheriffs' CCW policies are like. Any improvement is to be applauded. Plus, if Kavanaugh gets on SCOTUS and if National Reciprocity passes in September ... things are really looking good despite the antis being in control of Sacto and the MSM.
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I am using Comp-tac and Alien Gear, both are pretty good, it is not the holster that I am worried about.

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While I do think the momentum for issuing has been going in the right direction, CCW's here are still not available to the average law abiding person.

I think the work SDCGO has done is great and is definitely making a difference,
However we do not know if Gore will continue to issue or revert back to his old ways. Do we have the numbers on total number of permits this year issued vs total # denied?
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You must still present proof that you need one. News reports are not accepted as evidence. It reminds me of when a traffic light is installed, after someone is killed, not before.
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Looks like the good folk at San Diego Co Gun Owners are holding more CCW application seminars on Aug 9th, 23rd and Sept 6th.

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5. Learn about the San Diego County Gun Owner's and their role in influencing the Sheriff to change his policy.
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You must still present proof that you need one. News reports are not accepted as evidence. It reminds me of when a traffic light is installed, after someone is killed, not before.

I'll trust Bill "Randy Weaver" Gore when I can buy icees in hell.
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I'll trust Bill "Randy Weaver" Gore when I can buy icees in hell.
LOL! Who cares if you "trust" him?

I guess you missed the part where the number of CCWs he's issued has tripled in one year.

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LOL! Who cares if you "trust" him?

I guess you missed the part where the number of CCWs he's issued tripled in one year.

He only did that AFTER his opponent said self defense was a good enough reason to get a concealed carry permit. Hes pandering for votes. He had to be sued to even budge in the first place.

Are you aware the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?
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He only did that AFTER his opponent said self defense was a good enough reason to get a concealed carry permit. Hes pandering for votes. He had to be sued to even budge in the first place.
San Diego Co Gun Owners leader, Michael Schwartz (an attorney and the big guy making the presentation in the picture above), has been in talks with Gore, and his subordinates in the CCW unit, for over 2 years, long before Myers announced. I was like you and told Michael he was wasting his time and should focus on the city PDs instead. Much to my delight, Michael proved me wrong.

The state auditor also did an audit of Sac, LA and SD policies and practices last summer (as I also mentioned above).

The election was 2 months ago and he's still issuing more and more CCWs, his CCW unit is getting advice from OCSO on how to improve their process and he's asked for more staffing ($$$). He wouldn't do those things if he were planning on flipping back anytime soon.

Regardless of why Gore has changed his policy & practices, he has and is issuing. IMO, the best way to ensure that continues is by getting more and more law-abiding applicants to submit applications. To aid in that, getting him (and the BoS?) to put the app process online (like most other counties' SOs), is an important next step.

Rather than harp on a bitter past (which won't change the past and won't help the future), focus on consolidating the gains so that SD catches up to OC.
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San Diego Co Gun Owners leader, Michael Schwartz, has been in talks with Gore, and his subordinates in the CCW unit, for about 2 years, long before Myers announced.

The state auditor also did an audit of Sac, LA and SD policies and practices last summer (as I also mentioned above).

The election was 2 months ago and he's still issuing more and more CCWs, his CCW unit is getting advice from OCSO on how to improve their process and he's asked for more staffing ($$$). He wouldn't do those things if he were planning on flipping back anytime soon.

Regardless of why Gore has changed his policy & practices, he has and is issuing. IMO, the best way to ensure that continues is by getting more and more law-abiding applicants to submit applications. To aid in that, getting him (and the BoS?) to put the app process online (like most other counties' SOs), is an important next step.

Rather than harp on a bitter past (which won't change the past and won't help the future), focus on consolidating the gains so that SD catches up to OC.

Whatever makes you happy. Just don't be whining when he flips again.
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Gore's standards for good cause have not changed. Unless you can present a clear and present danger, you are just another average dolt that shouldn't be walking around armed and loaded.
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He only did that AFTER his opponent said self defense was a good enough reason to get a concealed carry permit. Hes pandering for votes. He had to be sued to even budge in the first place.

Are you aware the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?
And?

He's issuing permits. I carry every day now. The machinations behind that happening are irrelevant to the fact that I do not face arrest and prosecution for exercising my rights now.
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Gore's standards for good cause have not changed. Unless you can present a clear and present danger, you are just another average dolt that shouldn't be walking around armed and loaded.
I have a permit today that I would not have last year, the year before that, five years ago, ten years ago. Things have changed. Not perfectly, but they have changed. If you demand Constitutional carry or nothing, you'll wind up with nothing.
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Gore's standards for good cause have not changed.
Except that all evidence points to the contrary.
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I have a permit today that I would not have last year, the year before that, five years ago, ten years ago. Things have changed. Not perfectly, but they have changed. If you demand Constitutional carry or nothing, you'll wind up with nothing.
You may have a permit, but even if that's true, it just means you have some "approved' situation in your life (handle lots of cash, work as a security guard, whatever). Regular citizens still can't defend themselves outside of their homes -- legally.

And while we'd all prefer Constitutional carry, nobody is demanding it, so that's a ridiculous mischaracterization. The majority of people are only asking for self-defense as GC, which is a million miles away from ConCarry, and Gore has never been willing to offer that.

I vote against him each election, but can't seem to dump his useless arse. Hopefully he'll "retire" very soon.
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I should mention that with over 1,500 issued CCWs I'm thinking that's a record for SDSO. I doubt it has ever had that many issue before. I've asked baggss, to whom I sent old CCW stat documents, if he can look into that and post what he finds. Also, my estimate is CA recently passed 100,000 CCWs statewide -- another record, I'd bet. AFAIK, we did NOT lose any counties to anti sheriffs in the June election and we'll find out after they're sworn in next January what the new Sonoma and Yolo county sheriffs' CCW policies are like. Any improvement is to be applauded. Plus, if Kavanaugh gets on SCOTUS and if National Reciprocity passes in September ... things are really looking good despite the antis being in control of Sacto and the MSM.
It's not perfect. Gore is still an a**hole for not accepting simple self defense as good cause. He's still a POS for Ruby Ridge. We get that. But that doesn't change the current fact that he's issuing CCW permits more readily than either he or his predecessor have before. I absolutely wouldn't encourage voting for him. But the fact is that San Diego County is seeing more permits. That's good, regardless of his reasons for doing so.
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It's not perfect. Gore is still an a**hole for not accepting simple self defense as good cause. He's still a POS for Ruby Ridge. We get that. But that doesn't change the current fact that he's issuing CCW permits more readily than either he or his predecessor have before. I absolutely wouldn't encourage voting for him. But the fact is that San Diego County is seeing more permits. That's good, regardless of his reasons for doing so.
Any progress is better than no progress.

Progress? Not really. More like "a difference which makes no difference", because if Gore ever decides to decline to renew all your CCW privileges in 2/3/4 years, your "progress" won't exist.

But we can agree to disagree. It's not that big a deal, more like quibbling over the placement of deck chairs on the Titanic. Gore is a screwed up scumbag, but in the larger sense his issuance posture is just a symptom of the disease.

So dismiss the unimportant -- here's my bet, no money, just a gentleman's wager (so to speak):

We'll have open carry (for all CA, not just special snowflakes with magical "good cause") from SCOTUS before your "progress" makes CCW available to all CA citizens (and CCW from CA under pressure from OC does not count)
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Progress? Not really. More like "a difference which makes no difference", because if Gore ever decides to decline to renew all your CCW privileges in 2/3/4 years, your "progress" won't exist.

But we can agree to disagree. It's not that big a deal, more like quibbling over the placement of deck chairs on the Titanic. Gore is a screwed up scumbag, but in the larger sense his issuance posture is just a symptom of the disease.

So dismiss the unimportant -- here's my bet, no money, just a gentleman's wager (so to speak):

We'll have open carry (for all CA, not just special snowflakes with magical "good cause") from SCOTUS before your "progress" makes CCW available to all CA citizens (and CCW from CA under pressure from OC does not count)
Whatever, dude.
S*** in one hand and wish in the other....
It's ok, continue to live in a fantasy world where it isn't progress for the number of permits to triple in a year.
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