Accidentally small rifle primer in 9mm pistol load

[boyguan]

Grabbed the wrong box and loaded about 40 rounds. Been reading and the only difference is suppose to be a harder cup. They sit flush.

What sucks is that they are going into a ladder that I want to test

1.10 coal with 115 berry fmj 3.9, 4.1, 4.3, 4.5.

My horandy book says 4.1 min and 4.7 max.

Try it out and look for pressure or toss them

[kcstott]

Look for pressure? how do you plan to do that on a case that runs at 35KPSI?

And a ladder test?? again for what reason? handguns are only good for 1.5" at 25 yards so your little .2 grain jumps that you would do for a rifle are pretty much a waste of time and money on a hand gun round Not even considering that the bullets being used are incapable of better accuracy, it doesn't matter the projectile, the ability to group less than 6 moa is near impossible with a conventional autoloader. At least off hand standing it is a minor increase in accuracy from a rest but not much.

As to your concern of the primer. Just shoot it. It will run a little hotter but nothing to be concerned with.

[kengotit]

I wouldn't risk it,

Pull the Bullet and reuse components again

[rsrocket1]

No prob. Unless you have weak striker springs, it will work fine. I use srp's in 38/9/40 all the time.


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[boyguan]

Originally Posted by kcstott

Look for pressure? how do you plan to do that on a case that runs at 35KPSI?

And a ladder test?? again for what reason? handguns are only good for 1.5" at 25 yards so your little .2 grain jumps that you would do for a rifle are pretty much a waste of time and money on a hand gun round Not even considering that the bullets being used are incapable of better accuracy, it doesn't matter the projectile, the ability to group less than 6 moa is near impossible with a conventional autoloader. At least off hand standing it is a minor increase in accuracy from a rest but not much.

As to your concern of the primer. Just shoot it. It will run a little hotter but nothing to be concerned with.

I'm new to reloading but I want to do this to make sure what minimum load will cycle in my gun before I load a few hundred.

If I can extend a pound why not?

[kcstott]

Originally Posted by boyguan

I'm new to reloading but I want to do this to make sure what minimum load will cycle in my gun before I load a few hundred.

If I can extend a pound why not?

Finding minimum load is a different animal than working a ladder for OCW. Which is what you said and why my response is what it is.

I'll give you a tip on extending powder.
Buy powder that will work in your caliber that others don't like. All these guys buying up the popular stuff I'm still using red dot, bullseye, and unique,
When I run out of that I'll switch to my 8 pound jug of Win 231.
Guys buy powder based on perceived accuracy and what the gun rags recommend. I pull out the load manual and look for one powder that will load a range of stuff, unique and 231 are those type of powder.

[tanks]

The only issue you might have would be them not firing usually they require an extended firing pin.. A lot of people use SRP for both pistol and rifle.

[boyguan]

Originally Posted by kcstott

Finding minimum load is a different animal than working a ladder for OCW. Which is what you said and why my response is what it is.

I'll give you a tip on extending powder.
Buy powder that will work in your caliber that others don't like. All these guys buying up the popular stuff I'm still using red dot, bullseye, and unique,
When I run out of that I'll switch to my 8 pound jug of Win 231.
Guys buy powder based on perceived accuracy and what the gun rags recommend. I pull out the load manual and look for one powder that will load a range of stuff, unique and 231 are those type of powder.

Thanks for the tip. I have a 1 lb bottle of 231 and no issues so far. I still have a few others to try cfe pistol and another one I forgot. Trying to find one that meters well in my lee autodrum. 231 I am getting .2 variations at times but hovers around .1 grn which is pretty good.

Is there a term for finding what shoots out of my pistol that is better than ladder?

[dwalker]

Titegroup meters well in the auto drum, as does CFEPistol. Actually, I have not found a powder that dos not meter well out of the drum really, although I generically meter stick rifle powders out of the iSD dispenser.

What kind of pistol are you loading for?

[CSACANNONEER]

Another calgunner loaded some .357 with SPPs and SRPs and ran them through my Oehler 35. It was surprising that the SRPs produced a slightly LOWER MV than the SPPs did.

[boyguan]

Originally Posted by dwalker

Titegroup meters well in the auto drum, as does CFEPistol. Actually, I have not found a powder that dos not meter well out of the drum really, although I generically meter stick rifle powders out of the iSD dispenser.

What kind of pistol are you loading for?

Glock. Cz sp01.

I'm trying to finish the bottle before I open the next one. But I'll prolly open it anyways.

Rifle powder goes fast. Not so much for pistol

[dwalker]

it is likely going to be a struggle to get a soft shooting 115gr load, 124 is about the lightest I run, with the 135 and 147' very common

[kcstott]

Originally Posted by boyguan

Thanks for the tip. I have a 1 lb bottle of 231 and no issues so far. I still have a few others to try cfe pistol and another one I forgot. Trying to find one that meters well in my lee autodrum. 231 I am getting .2 variations at times but hovers around .1 grn which is pretty good.

Is there a term for finding what shoots out of my pistol that is better than ladder?

I've never had an issue loading a good jhp or FMJ to near max load at mag length, round shoot very well and I reload 9mm, 38 super, 38/357, 40s&w, 45 acp and 44mag. Rounds always group nice.

I've never shot a pistol bullet the didn't group well.

[boyguan]

Originally Posted by dwalker

it is likely going to be a struggle to get a soft shooting 115gr load, 124 is about the lightest I run, with the 135 and 147' very common

I just want to find a load that will 100 percent cycle. I usually do 10 of each the first time check if pressure is ok and load in the middle 100 rounds and try it out

[silvertriple]

Originally Posted by rsrocket1

No prob. Unless you have weak striker springs, it will work fine. I use srp's in 38/9/40 all the time.

Agree with this. Some striker springs aren't strong enough to set them off. Other than that you should be fine. I use srp's too when no spp are not in stock. A few thousand rounds thru 9mm and 40 without any issues using srp.

[rsrocket1]

Originally Posted by silvertriple

Agree with this. Some striker springs aren't strong enough to set them off. Other than that you should be fine. I use srp's too when no spp are not in stock. A few thousand rounds thru 9mm and 40 without any issues using srp.

Plus it keeps your inventory simpler. If all your pistols set off srp's without problems, you only need srp's in your stock.

If you don't want to do that, at least you know you aren't limited to only spp's WHEN the next shortage comes around.

[the86d]

If i recall correctly, there was like a ~50fps difference in CCI #41 (srp magnum mil?) in 9mm for me, loaded warm with 115-124gr plated. I suppose they could be warm, but not hotter than SD/HD LOADS. Some of those are real hot. Book max has never been terribly hot for me, it seems.

YOLO!

[pacrat]

Choot'em

[boyguan]

Thanks guys. Gonna shoot em next month

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by kcstott

I'll give you a tip on extending powder.
Buy powder that will work in your caliber that others don't like. All these guys buying up the popular stuff I'm still using red dot, bullseye, and unique,
When I run out of that I'll switch to my 8 pound jug of Win 231.
Guys buy powder based on perceived accuracy and what the gun rags recommend. I pull out the load manual and look for one powder that will load a range of stuff, unique and 231 are those type of powder.

This - being cheap I first find the load that will give me my desired FPS with the least powder. If the store doesn't have it I go to the next one on my list until I find one in stock. Bullseye is a favorite for plinker pistol ammo. Unique works in shotgun and handgun loads so I buy it 4 lbs at a time.

[marshhawk]

I have run SRP's in place of SPP several times when primer's were hard to find, I have had Zero problems!
Marshhawk

[dohc]

i had issues trying srp for 9mm and 380, i would have to chamber it again in order for it to fire. never again

[bohoki]

i load all my 9mm with small rifle work just fine saves me from running out of primers for my 223 i only buy small rifle now

[Lead Waster]

Originally Posted by boyguan

I just want to find a load that will 100 percent cycle. I usually do 10 of each the first time check if pressure is ok and load in the middle 100 rounds and try it out

I think you are doing this right, as a new reloader. Nevermind that that guy is telling you not to do your "ladder", it's what you are SUPPOSED to do. Start at the minimum load, work your way up (not past max) and find a load that YOU like. That could be many things, it might be the least amount of powder that will cycle all the guns you are planning on shooting it with, it be the minimum powder required to get a certain power factor if you shoot USPSA (ie; bullet weight x speed of bullet), you might perceive a difference in recoil.

Will it make a difference in accuracy? Sure, it might! Why? Well, because the accuracy of the gun IN YOUR HANDS is a function of how you shoot, how you react to the perceived recoil, etc, etc. Faster bullets won't drop as much by the time it reaches a certain distance (Yes, at handgun distances, this is probably moot), but it also affects the speed of the slide and how fast you can get back on target for a second shot (useful in competition).

So yes, absolutely do your ladder thing. It is by no means useless for pistol rounds. It is correct. You start at a safe minimum and you move up until you find the load that meets whatever criteria you desire, be it least powder to cycle or make power factor or that just feels good to you, or that you feel is the most accurate.

[bruce381]

funny thing I tried that once with 45 acp on ransom rest.

I found more group variation from powder to powder than small .2 gr within a powder.