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Old 07-21-2018, 6:16 PM
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I have loved guns since I was a kid. I bought my first handgun a few days after I turned 21 back in 1998. I have many different guns of all sorts. I have only had one 1911, which was a DanWesson CBOB. It was a very nice gun, I shot over 1000 rounds through it. It shot flawless for the most part, then started to have live bullet jams with the round facing up out of the chamber. I bought aftermarket mags and the problem seemed to go away.

The malfunctions made me lose trust in the gun. Even though the Chip McCormick and Wilson mags worked good, I still had doubt and sold the gun. It was also so nice that I didn't want to mess anything up on it.

I like 1911's but only really want one, one to shoot the crap out of and have it be 100% reliable. Does that exist? Should I get another Dan Wesson CBOB and give it another try? Or is there another better model of 1911 I am missing?

I really liked the cut grip on the CBOB without the sharp edge. That was one of the main things that drew me to the gun. That, along with the simplicities on the slide markings. I wish the CBOB had less aggressive checkering on the grip though. (Like the Ed Brown 1911)

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You can buy something that doesn't have offensive features (like too rough of checkering) and then have a professional 1911 smith build it up into YOUR 1911.
Reliability will be part of that build up.
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You can buy whatever 1911 you want then have a competent 1911 smith go through it and do a reliability package.

By reliability package I mean not only inspect it but actually machine the gun to the specs that they should have had from the factory but most don’t. This pretty much deals with the inconsistencies that cause the reliability issues. A reliable 1911 shouldn’t be finicky of ammo or magazines btw.

Of course the other option is what Mosin said but that’s not always in everyone’s budget or time allotment.

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Reliability wise I have had the best experience with Springfield 1911's even with the supplied mags even though I also use Wilson Combat ETM's. I would say a TRP but the 20 lpi checkering is very aggressive which I enjoy but you get a lot of pistol for the money. The only other one I would say is the MC Operator but it's a smooth front strap. You had a very nice 1911 so maybe give a new one of the same model another shot?
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I’m really surprised to hear you had a bad experience with a dan wesson, I personally have never experienced an issue with a 1911 that was American made. I have a Springfield mill spec that I have owned for almost 10 years, it has never failed in those 10 years and countless rounds through it. It’s so trusting to me that it serves as my nightstand gun. The only downside to the 1911 is that it needs to be clean, I do not let mine go more than 800 rounds between cleanings. Change the springs at the manufacturer recommended intervals, keep it clean, oiled, use a quality mag like Wilson combats, you will never have an issue with one.
Now to answer your question, if I could only have one I would get something from Les Baer. It’s the starting point in the high end 1911s, and I personally believe it’s the best bang for the buck. If that’s a little out of your price range, get a TRP and be done with it.
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Reliability wise I have had the best experience with Springfield 1911's even with the supplied mags even though I also use Wilson Combat ETM's. I would say a TRP but the 20 lpi checkering is very aggressive which I enjoy but you get a lot of pistol for the money. The only other one I would say is the MC Operator but it's a smooth front strap. You had a very nice 1911 so maybe give a new one of the same model another shot?
I really liked the CBOB. It was almost perfect, until malfunctions started to happen. I am a huge Glock fan. Reliability is number 1 for me. When the CBOB started having live jams with the bullet facing up, I lost confidence.
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I’m really surprised to hear you had a bad experience with a dan wesson, I personally have never experienced an issue with a 1911 that was American made. I have a Springfield mill spec that I have owned for almost 10 years, it has never failed in those 10 years and countless rounds through it. It’s so trusting to me that it serves as my nightstand gun. The only downside to the 1911 is that it needs to be clean, I do not let mine go more than 800 rounds between cleanings. Change the springs at the manufacturer recommended intervals, keep it clean, oiled, use a quality mag like Wilson combats, you will never have an issue with one.
Now to answer your question, if I could only have one I would get something from Les Baer. It’s the starting point in the high end 1911s, and I personally believe it’s the best bang for the buck. If that’s a little out of your price range, get a TRP and be done with it.
My price range is flexible. I only want one 1911 to take care of every purpose I don't want multiples of a 1911. Just one reliable pistol. I really liked the Dan Wesson, the main issues were the aggressive checkering and jams. Once a gun jams on me,I lose faith in it.
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You can buy whatever 1911 you want then have a competent 1911 smith go through it and do a reliability package.

By reliability package I mean not only inspect it but actually machine the gun to the specs that they should have had from the factory but most don’t. This pretty much deals with the inconsistencies that cause the reliability issues. A reliable 1911 shouldn’t be finicky of ammo or magazines btw.

Of course the other option is what Mosin said but that’s not always in everyone’s budget or time allotment.

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I really liked the CBOB. It was almost perfect, until malfunctions started to happen. I am a huge Glock fan. Reliability is number 1 for me. When the CBOB started having live jams with the bullet facing up, I lost confidence.
Sounds like you are better off just sticking with Glocks. They are easier to maintain. Do you sell your car every time it needs a tune up?

By the way Cbob's checkering is not considered aggressive at all. Try a TRP for aggressive checkering.

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I have loved guns since I was a kid. I bought my first handgun a few days after I turned 21 back in 1998. I have many different guns of all sorts. I have only had one 1911, which was a DanWesson CBOB. It was a very nice gun, I shot over 1000 rounds through it. It shot flawless for the most part, then started to have live bullet jams with the round facing up out of the chamber. I bought aftermarket mags and the problem seemed to go away.

The malfunctions made me lose trust in the gun. Even though the Chip McCormick and Wilson mags worked good, I still had doubt and sold the gun. It was also so nice that I didn't want to mess anything up on it.

I like 1911's but only really want one, one to shoot the crap out of and have it be 100% reliable. Does that exist? Should I get another Dan Wesson CBOB and give it another try? Or is there another better model of 1911 I am missing?

I really liked the cut grip on the CBOB without the sharp edge. That was one of the main things that drew me to the gun. That, along with the simplicities on the slide markings. I wish the CBOB had less aggressive checkering on the grip though. (Like the Ed Brown 1911)

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No such thing as a gun with moving parts that is 100 percent reliable. The fewer moving parts the less chance of a problem. Ergo if you are looking for the highest reliability you are looking at a revolver. Not impossible to jam up but nearly impossible. My two cents.
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I guess I'm looking for a 1911 that is reliable when new and doesn't need extra work. I like doing things to guns myself. I don't want to have to send a new gun off to someone else to make it reliable.


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Sounds like you are better off just sticking with Glocks. They are easier to maintain. Do you sell your car every time it needs a tune up?

By the way Cbob's checkering is not considered aggressive at all. Try a TRP for aggressive checkering.
I am all about simplicity. I have 2 vehicles I purchased new (2005 and 2007) that I plan to never replace. I will drive
them until they die, and I also do regular maintenance on them.

I am talking about 1 1911. I don't mind maintenance, but don't want an unreliable handgun. That is worthless to me.
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I have a Springfield mill spec that I have owned for almost 10 years, it has never failed in those 10 years and countless rounds through it. It’s so trusting to me that it serves as my nightstand gun.
Yes sir.

Have a Springfield Armory M1911A1 that is parkerized and has brown checkered plastic grips. It's just like the one that Uncle Sam gave me when I was 18 years old. I shoot it well too.

Going to keep it until they put me under.

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Have a Springfield Armory M1911A1 that is parkerized and has brown checkered plastic grips. It's just like the one that Uncle Sam gave me nearly 40 years ago. I shoot it well too.

Going to keep it until they put me under.
That's what I'm asking about, recommendations for a gun that works perfect. Thanks for the useful reply. I appreciate it.
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It basically boils down to this. You may buy 4 Springfield’s and 2 May have okay specs, 1 excellent specs and 1 that ends up failing to feed due to nose diving issue. This is true with any factory gun, I have 3 SA operators in right now, all 3 have short ramps, undersized breach face and undersized firing pin stops. These are all common issues in factory guns, even Dan Wesson’s (which are great guns btw, also I’m a big SA fan myself).

Specs are crucial in these guns. If you get a good one then great, if you don’t it is easily fixable and then the gun will be as reliable as any other gun out there. These are a lot more complex guns than a Glock which is why they are more finicky from being mass produced. Some TLC and they’re good to go with no more maintenance than any other gun out there.

So you have to ask yourself how badly do you want a completely reliable 1911? If you do then buy one and if it’s not know you have an option to have that gun you want with a very small extra hassle. Sometimes ya gotta work for the things you really want.




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All my 1911s are as close to 100% reliable as one could ask. But they are like driving a 1960s muscle car, I have to keep them tuned up. When they are maintained and tuned, there is nothing like them. But they run on Carbs and Points, if that makes sense.
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I guess I'm out of luck for a good 1911 then. All my guns are totally reliable. I want to have one reliable 1911. Doesn't sound like one exists. I will move on and forget 1911's.

I don't want any drama for which gun is the best, I just want a good reliable 1911 that will function perfectly without having to send it to a gunsmith.




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There's going to be a lot of posts about how their 1911 has never jammed. The fact is, if you are asking a machine with moving parts never to malfunction, that is just not possible. There is always the possibility. The more moving parts, the more possibility. Might fail to eject, might fail to feed, might be a problem with a magazine. It's not an inherent problem in a 1911. It's any mechanical device. Same for Glocks and same for Sigs. The first gun I bought was for HD and so I bought a revolver for the bedstand. I hardly ever shoot it. I like my 1911's more which is what I shoot regularly. The guys are about to chime in "you have to shoot your HD regularly." Yeah, yeah. I play with it regularly and shoot it infrequently. But the more moving parts, the more chance for failure. Revolver just has the least amount of moving parts with the least complicated system.
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I have a springfield TRP, a Kimber Eclipse and a DW CBOB. I enjoy shooting the Government model 1911s more than the Commander sized. If I could only have one 1911 then, on my budget at least, it would be a TRP and I have shot and worked on a lot of models.

All are as reliable or more than my Glocks. Two of our three Glocks needed work to become reliable, and now are, but I had to get them there. This seems to be unusal though. My theory is that Glocks, at least compared to higher end production 1911s, get less personal attention during manufacture, and are so simple that if anything is off, then they are always off until fixed. One of mine had a poorly heat treated mag retention spring combined with a mag well which I believe must be at the maximum allowable width. Another had an standard recoil spring which wasn't up to lighter loads in the longslide model. That being said, all of mine were cheap to fix, are very accurate, way easier to clean, maintain and "personalize" than a 1911. And they are more tolerant to not being perfectly cleaned. I won't be selling any of them anytime soon.

The point is that you can have teething issues with most any new firearm, plus the potential for your own personal style issues, that you have to work through. Pick what you like, tune it and you, and if you ultimately don't like it someone else probably will, leaving you free to try something new. If you like 1911s be sure to try a TRP sometime.
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I own 3 glocks and a sig.

But I also wanted a 1911, after many many hours of researching I chose a Springfield 1911 professional. So far 500 rounds with no problem.

It’s amazingly accurate and just as reliable as my glock but I haven’t thrown it in the dirt to find out or put it through some torture test but I did read about the test it had to pass before the FBI selected it.

Well the magazines that came with it sucks so I got Wilson ETM and Tripp cobra.




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I have two mil specs, but either could be your one. A stainless by SACS and another steel gun by NHC. No issues due to mags or ammo. Like Brett said, time to go customer. However, remember you’re dealing with a 100+ year old design and botique grade stuff. I have a third, arguably my favorite, that chokes now and then. Neither SACS or NHC could figureout Why. If that bothers you, move on. The 1911 platform is tough, but rewarding
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Sounds like you need a revolver.
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So far my most reliable 1911’s have been my Colt Government Model from 2012 and my M45A1. They function perfectly with their stock magazines, Colt marked on the GM and Wilson Combat on the M45A1. Both are box stock and are cleaned semi regularly.
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I have two mil specs, but either could be your one. A stainless by SACS and another steel gun by NHC. No issues due to mags or ammo. Like Brett said, time to go customer. However, remember you’re dealing with a 100+ year old design and botique grade stuff. I have a third, arguably my favorite, that chokes now and then. Neither SACS or NHC could figureout Why. If that bothers you, move on. The 1911 platform is tough, but rewarding


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I guess I'm out of luck for a good 1911 then. All my guns are totally reliable. I want to have one reliable 1911. Doesn't sound like one exists. I will move on and forget 1911's.

I don't want any drama for which gun is the best, I just want a good reliable 1911 that will function perfectly without having to send it to a gunsmith.




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So OP if one of your other pistols malfunction next time at the range your going to lose confidence in it too? My TRP has never failed so I would conclude it's totally reliable as well. Your overthinking this and cant predict when something mechanical will break or act up. I wouldn't call this thread drama it's more of personal preference and fellow calguners trying to help steer you in the right direction.
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I guess I'm lucky. I've got Colts, Springfields, Kimbers and Sigs in 1911s ranging from mil-spec to custom shop guns. All are nearly 100% reliable (no gun is 100%).

My two cents; the closest you stay to the original design the more reliable the gun. A Springfield mil-spec isn't all that exciting to look at but it is a very reliable gun and at the price it is a great value.

If I had to get rid of all my guns except for one I would keep the Colt mil-spec 1911 I bought new in 1976. I have fired many, many rounds over the years with only the occasional spring change out. It is still even running the old finger-style collet.
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I sold off all of my full sized 1911's to master just one a Les Baer Custom Carry. After breaking it in, it is 100% and my daily carry along with a couple smaller 9mm 1911 variants.

I wanted a no frills, built like a tank gun that I wouldn't care about scratching or wearing the finish. I also didn't want to break the bank. I'm probably 3,000 rounds in and will never own another.
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I've never experienced a hiccup with my Kimber. I like DW's also.
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Having just one 1911 (per caliber!) is actually a good idea! I have two in .45 but maybe I should have one of higher quality/reliability.
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If I had to pick one, I would pick a SA Professional or a Wilson Combat.
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I've owned my Colt Government model for over 30 years, it was manufactured in 1971. My friend owned it before me, I don't think he had any problems, I know I haven't. This gun is bone stock and will run anything from factory ball ammo to my hand loads. It is extremely reliable.

I'm amazed at the frequency of posts that say you must send a gun out to have it worked on for better accuracy or reliability. Most handguns are more accurate than the person shooting it. I think most do this for bragging rights, the old "Mines bigger or better since I had it customized" argument. I get a good laugh from the posts from CZ owners about sending it to Cajun immediately after buying for "work". I'm not picking on CZ owners, I want to be one, but I think many do this for the bragging rights.

I was reading my post and realized that the customizing I may do now is in the sights, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I'm not saying that no one should have their handgun customized, but do it for the right reasons.

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Sounds like what you really want is an HK USP45. Those things are indestructable, probably the most reliable handgun design of all time. My USP45 compact takes an 8rd magazine and is no bigger to hold than a 1911 grip.
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Sounds like what you really want is an HK USP45. Those things are indestructable, probably the most reliable handgun design of all time. My USP45 compact takes an 8rd magazine and is no bigger to hold than a 1911 grip.
I have thought of that. I have one HK, a USP 40 compact and it's a really nice gun. I changed the trigger from Da/Sa to the LEM trigger and I like it even better. I thought of a .45 model but haven't gone down that road yet.

Out of 1911's, it sounds like a Springfield would be a good choice. Something that is reasonably priced and I won't be nervous about putting some wear on. Thanks for the replies from everybody.
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I have thought of that. I have one HK, a USP 40 compact and it's a really nice gun. I changed the trigger from Da/Sa to the LEM trigger and I like it even better. I thought of a .45 model but haven't gone down that road yet.

Out of 1911's, it sounds like a Springfield would be a good choice. Something that is reasonably priced and I won't be nervous about putting some wear on. Thanks for the replies from everybody.

Everyone that I've heard of who tried the LEM trigger loves them.

I have a Springfield loaded target stainless 9mm and recently picked up a used like new Kimber custom II. The Kimber is far and away a much nicer better made gun than the Springfield. I've only taken the Kimber out once and it functioned flawlessly and very accurate. I think Kimbers are much better guns than Springfield at the price level.
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Love my Springfield mil-spec parked. It has a smoother feel/finish than the SS version. Mine came with the match SS barrel for $649.
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I pondered a 1911 for a long time. I have shot many but never bought. I thought about buying a Springfield and replacing parts as I went along but realized that that the end product would cost as much as a semi custom. I found a good deal on a lightly used Les Baer Custom Carry and cannot be happier. Solid gun and hasn’t malfunctioned in any way yet.
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Everyone that I've heard of who tried the LEM trigger loves them.

I have a Springfield loaded target stainless 9mm and recently picked up a used like new Kimber custom II. The Kimber is far and away a much nicer better made gun than the Springfield. I've only taken the Kimber out once and it functioned flawlessly and very accurate. I think Kimbers are much better guns than Springfield at the price level.
Yes, LEM trigger is really nice. It's like shooting single action every shot, including the first shot. It has a very short reset if you ride the trigger after the shot. It has a lot of travel in the trigger for the first shot but the travel is light and it makes the gun safe to carry without needing a manual safety.

I have never really considered a Kimber, I will look into them.
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I have a stainless steel SA Loaded target in .45. I now have just north of 10,000 rounds through it. I have had exactly three failure to feed each of which were the result of a weak magazine spring. Replaced it and no more issues. So my reliability is 99.97%. I'm happy with that.
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I sold off all of my full sized 1911's to master just one a Les Baer Custom Carry. After breaking it in, it is 100% and my daily carry along with a couple smaller 9mm 1911 variants.

I wanted a no frills, built like a tank gun that I wouldn't care about scratching or wearing the finish. I also didn't want to break the bank. I'm probably 3,000 rounds in and will never own another.
I concur, the LB Custom Carry is one of the best 1911's built. Very reliable and accurate. It's also my CCW weapon and would stake my life on it. With the 1.5 inch accuracy option, I paid under 2K a few years ago. No need to spend over 2K for a nice 1911. check out this webpage:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpdy8QQ-Y-Q
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Les Baer is a good candidate for the only-one-1911 candidate.

BUT LB magazines must go. Just replace them with Tripp Cobra mags.
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