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Default My first Swede!

An M94 carbine.

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I put out a WTB ad here on the Collector's Exchange and got a lot of M96s offered to me at various prices. I am partial to carbines though, and was hoping that somebody would be willing to sell me theirs.
A very friendly gentleman contacted me and sent me a couple of pictures. From what I could see, it looked like a proper M94, and for the price he quoted it at, I went ahead and committed to buy it pending inspection.

I was pleasantly surprised when we met. The rifle is in great shape and all the numbers match, including the rear sight parts, nosepiece, and bolt.


I finally took it apart to clean some of the gunk out of the crevices and took some more pics:

























I apologize for the picture overload, these pics are also part of how I document the firearm for my records.

Upon disassembly, I was pleasantly surprised at the matching numbers on stock and handguard, as well as how fantastic the wood-to-metal fit and finish is on these rifles. This is my first Swede and maybe that is normal, but most milsurps aren't fitted this well in my experience.


There are NO import marks on this piece, although the import muzzle extension is present.


I paid $550 for this rifle, the seller is a member here and gave me a great deal, whether for purposes of karma or simply to make somebody happy, I appreciate it wholeheartedly and will pay it forward in the future.

I picked up some PPU 120gr match ammo that I hope shoots well out of this rifle.

Thank you for reading my post.

P.S. Anybody got a correct sling and stock disc for these they might be willing to sell?
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Suggest you get a Hammond Gamegetter for about 40 bucks in 6.5x55 so you can plink cheaply - roll your own squib bullets for target practice and rabbits for five cents a shot . . . save the expensive cartridges for deer hunting.
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Nice rifle...may it not be your last
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Default Very cool!

It should be a well balanced carbine!
Congrats, great pics!

I don't see a bayonet lug?
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I don't see a bayonet lug?
The Swedish M94 as originally configured did not have one. When they were converted to the M94/14 the bayonet lug was added.
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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I have a Swede long rifle and regular carbine, but didn't know these existed. It appears to be in exquisite condition, I'd say you did very well!
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Very nice. Congratulations on the nice carbine. Just incase you are looking for brass. https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...roductId/72476
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Very nice. Congratulations on the nice carbine. Just incase you are looking for brass. https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...roductId/72476
Wow that is pricey.

Thanks for the tip!
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The Swedish M94 as originally configured did not have one. When they were converted to the M94/14 the bayonet lug was added.
Gotta have a bayonet lug!

Is the sling buckle in the pic, riveted on, or held on with screws?
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Gotta have a bayonet lug!

Is the sling buckle in the pic, riveted on, or held on with screws?
Two screws.
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I hope you hugged the guy that sold it to you because you got a very nice rifle!
Congrats and keep us updated after your first range trip! I'd like to hear how she groups
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The brass seems a little spendy, but it most likely is well worth the quality.

I've been looking at Carcano 6.5x52 brass and its in the same price range.
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The brass seems a little spendy, but it most likely is well worth the quality.

I've been looking at Carcano 6.5x52 brass and its in the same price range.
Graf and Sons has the PPU brass cheaper and it is real good brass. Or you could buy some loaded ammo and you would have the brass.
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Graf and Sons has the PPU brass cheaper and it is real good brass. Or you could buy some loaded ammo and you would have the brass.
I went ahead and bought a 500 rd case of the 120gr PPU match. It was on sale at Target Sports USA the other day.....it was the cheapest option on an Ammoseek search....even cheaper than crappy steel cased stuff.
I sure hope it shoots.....
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Wow that is pricey.

Thanks for the tip!
That price is for 100 pieces of brass, unlike the boxes of 50 for $6 less. From info I've received don't run the US made brass as the rim thickness is thinner than it's supposed to be causing high wear and short brass life.
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I went ahead and bought a 500 rd case of the 120gr PPU match. It was on sale at Target Sports USA the other day.....it was the cheapest option on an Ammoseek search....even cheaper than crappy steel cased stuff.
I sure hope it shoots.....

It does OK. Surprisingly, the 139 gr Prvi SP is shockingly accurate...I've had better luck with it than the 120 Prvi Match.

Steer clear of US brass. The rim on US made 6.5 Swedish brass is not spec'd correctly. The Euro brass is.
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Thanks for the brass tips guys.

I have also read that U.S. made factory 6.5x55 is hotter than most Euro stuff, and isn't the best to feed a small-ring Mauser over the long term.
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I have been buying 6.5x55 in small amounts for a year or so, $13 - $15 a box seems to be the norm for loaded ammo. I have never seen any surplus whatsoever. New stuff only. This definitely appears to be a reloader's caliber.
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Thanks for the brass tips guys.

I have also read that U.S. made factory 6.5x55 is hotter than most Euro stuff, and isn't the best to feed a small-ring Mauser over the long term.
I picked up a box of Sellier and Bellot 140gr SP and they were quite stout. Definitely made for newer commercial mausers, as the primers couldn't get any flatter.
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I picked up a box of Sellier and Bellot 140gr SP and they were quite stout. Definitely made for newer commercial mausers, as the primers couldn't get any flatter.
I have given up on S&B factory ammo, it has never been even close to accurate in any gun I have fired it with.
I did however pick up 18K S&B primers last Christmas when Cabelas had them for $17/K.
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I have been buying 6.5x55 in small amounts for a year or so, $13 - $15 a box seems to be the norm for loaded ammo. I have never seen any surplus whatsoever. New stuff only. This definitely appears to be a reloader's caliber.
It is because it is easy to load for. Not fickle on powder choice or bullet brand. Works up to 160 gr. RN bullets.

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Nice! You have a fine example of what some of the old timers would call an engineering carbine. Actually, more rare than the standard carbine with the bayo lug.

Also, you will find the balance, function, accuracy, as well as one of the most pleasant rifles to shoot.

You have done very well and do remember, Swedes have a tendency to multiply and are quite addicting.

Again, nice and thanks for sharing!
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After a few years of masochistic Mosins and 8mm Mausers, the 6.5x55 cartridge might be just the ticket for achin' shoulders......
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From what I hear these carbines are super rare. Very nice find!
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Lucky to find one in such excellent condition. That model was a favorite of hunters. Most are shot out from decades of hunting.
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Lucky to find one in such excellent condition. That model was a favorite of hunters. Most are shot out from decades of hunting.
The bore on mine is shiny and nice at first glance.
A more detailed inspection reveals lands that are slightly rounded, and the barest hint of shadow (maybe frost?) in the seams where the lands meet the grooves. The throat is also slightly worn.
I take this an an indicator that this carbine was fired periodically during it's TIS but cleaned appropriately.

The gentleman who sold me the gun said that he bought it from a collector who didn't fire his guns all that much.
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After a few years of masochistic Mosins and 8mm Mausers, the 6.5x55 cartridge might be just the ticket for achin' shoulders......
The 6.5x55 will kick pretty good out of the M94 too. It is definitely a different experience than shooting the M96 with the same loads.
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The 6.5x55 will kick pretty good out of the M94 too. It is definitely a different experience than shooting the M96 with the same loads.
Come on though brother - you personally DROSd a Jungle Carbine to me a few weeks ago. This M94 can't really compare, can it?
I shot that JC recently - while prone or standing is doable, I have to put a sandbag between the stock and my shoulder when bench shooting. It just freaking hurts unless I can get my whole body behind it.
I don't consider myself recoil sensitive so I am sure this M94 will be fairly mild.

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LOL, you are welcome to try the load I was using, of course the recoil doesn't come close to my Steyr M95 carbine with surplus ammo. Now that is a punisher...
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You did really well, bainter. I looked for a few years before I finally found my non-updated 94.

I've had 6 of these of the years and without fail they all shot very high... I never did shoot them enough to worry about it, but it is something that you will probably have to compensate for at the range.
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Congrats, these are great rifles, and together with the Swiss ones - the best surplus shooters. Very nice 6.5 bullets too.
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You did really well, bainter. I looked for a few years before I finally found my non-updated 94.

I've had 6 of these of the years and without fail they all shot very high... I never did shoot them enough to worry about it, but it is something that you will probably have to compensate for at the range.
Boy you were right!

I took it to the range this morning, and got real nice groups about 2 feet above point of aim.
Had to aim at the very bottom of the target to hit the top edge.
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Boy you were right!

I took it to the range this morning, and got real nice groups about 2 feet above point of aim.
Had to aim at the very bottom of the target to hit the top edge.
Very nice M/94 carbine!!!

Your was one of the 5,994 made in 1901.

You got a exceptionally good deal on it too!!! $550 is a steal.

As to why they shoot high. The minimum sight setting is 300 meters. So shooting at shorter ranges will result in the bullet impact being very high on the target. Most M/94 carbines were imported into the US back in the late 50's or early 60's before the requirement of import markings, Thats why no markings.


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Nice! You have a fine example of what some of the old timers would call an engineering carbine. Actually, more rare than the standard carbine with the bayo lug.

Actually not correct. The Engineers carbines had their front sling swivel located on the bottom of the stock, not the side, as this little beauty does. It's a standard carbine... But a very nice one though.
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