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Old 08-14-2019, 7:43 AM
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-gun-registry/

While universal background checks are pushed as a response to the El Paso and Dayton shooting attacks, it should be remembered that such checks are unenforceable without a gun registry.

In other words, once such checks are in place, it is only a matter of time before lawmakers — in one party or the other — suggest a loose registration scheme. They will most likely do this in the days after the first mass public attack that occurs once universal background checks are the law of the land.
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Old 08-14-2019, 8:24 AM
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I foresee a spike in parking lot sales in free states should universal background checks plus mandatory registration go. The UBC could survive on its own maybe in some states but add registry or psych evaluations later, that's too far of a push.

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I think you are correct with the mandatory registration coming soon.

I just hope that Free America will challenge it (And win) unlike California.
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Might actually be better if this happens outside the 9th. We might get a quicker favorable ruling from the SC.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:30 AM
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I think Red Flag laws are far more dangerous. It can achieve a complete ban far quicker than any other method.
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Old 08-14-2019, 12:52 PM
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The unconstitutional UBCs would more or less be self enforceable as many sellers/buyers would be scared of a possible sting operation. At least those that have something to loose..
It's how most gun laws work.
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Old 08-14-2019, 3:12 PM
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I think Red Flag laws are far more dangerous. It can achieve a complete ban far quicker than any other method.
Google already called in the SFPD for a mental health check against the Google whistleblower. Law only got approved on 1 July and the Left is already misusing the red flag law.
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When the government knows who has the weapons, those weapons are far easier to be removed from the owners. Makes free-state parking lot sales look like a good idea.
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Old 08-14-2019, 6:25 PM
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Our usual Russian propagandist troll Ja308 citing Brietbart as though this peddler of conspiracy theories and hate is a credible news source.

You entire premise is erroneous.

It is the person, the name, that goes into the registry. When they go to buy a firearm if that person has, recent domestic violence incident, been adjudicated mentally unfit, a convicted felon etc., they are denied the ability to purchase a firearm via the background check.

The reality is the majority of gun owners, again I said, gun owners, support universal background checks. Not our resident propagandist, maybe not even the majority of Calgunners. But the majority of gun owners and even NRA members have no problem with universal background checks.

To Splithoof's point, we all probably shouldn't really be on here right.

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...... it should be remembered that such checks are unenforceable without a gun registry..
Not true what needs to be done is just a query into the criminal/crazy(not available yet)/DV database. You don't show up you walk out with a gun. There is nothing that should require a listing of what gun it is.
Every 4473 (?) form you've filled out since 1968 is still on file. If the dealer is still in business he has it and the feds can see it anytime they want. If the dealer closed he sent the forms to the ATF and they have already scanned it into a database.
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Maybe they should check into the Johns Hopkins/UC Davis study that determined , of all things, background checks don't reduce "gun violence" /crime?

nah, do it anyway. Who cares if it works? We have to look like we're doing "something".
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UBC's don't help much anyway. We've had this debate how many times already?
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Our usual Russian propagandist troll Ja308 citing Brietbart as though this peddler of conspiracy theories and hate is a credible news source.

You entire premise is erroneous.

It is the person, the name, that goes into the registry. When they go to buy a firearm if that person has, recent domestic violence incident, been adjudicated mentally unfit, a convicted felon etc., they are denied the ability to purchase a firearm via the background check.

The reality is the majority of gun owners, again I said, gun owners, support universal background checks. Not our resident propagandist, maybe not even the majority of Calgunners. But the majority of gun owners and even NRA members have no problem with universal background checks.

To Splithoof's point, we all probably shouldn't really be on here right.
Why do you support something that has ZERO evidence that it will reduce gun violence? And recent studies show it DOES NOT reduce gun violence.
Do you run on emotions or facts?

Please link your evidence that Background checks will reduce gun violence in the USA....or stop spreading lies and trying to trample peoples' right to self-defense. How utterly shameful.
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The reality is the majority of gun owners, again I said, gun owners, support universal background checks. Not our resident propagandist, maybe not even the majority of Calgunners. But the majority of gun owners and even NRA members have no problem with universal background checks.
And that is a flat out lie. The NRA's membership (TAG) polling shows an overwhelming rejection of background checks. That's why the NRA conducts their own internal polling - because the mainstream media and leftist politicians constantly lie about what gun owners and NRA members want. Stop parroting leftist talking points. They're flat out lies.

You'll also find that the latest John's Hopkins/UC Davis research shows that background checks and violent offender laws have had zero impact on gun deaths.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-gun-registry/

While universal background checks are pushed as a response to the El Paso and Dayton shooting attacks, it should be remembered that such checks are unenforceable without a gun registry.

In other words, once such checks are in place, it is only a matter of time before lawmakers — in one party or the other — suggest a loose registration scheme. They will most likely do this in the days after the first mass public attack that occurs once universal background checks are the law of the land.
Tee hee! It's cute you think there are two parties or a choice.
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Background checks do not prevent clear record buyers passing NICS as we saw in El Paso and Dayton. Also they are only as good as the data they have, and if it doesn't get reported upstream from states and hospitals UBCs won't be any more successful than what we already have in place. What does matter is the federal government proposing emotional support animal politics as a poor substitution for managing criminal malcontents. As others have pointed out the evidence suggests background checks do little to prevent gun violence. They don't do anything about the cultural decay that leads to it either.
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Back in the early 1990s the NRA was a strong proponent of universal background checks. The NRA specifically supported NICS done by the FBI since it amounted to nothing more than a quick check of eligibility and would not result in a national gun registry.

The NRA actively opposed universal background checks as proposed in the 1993 Brady Bill because the bill proposed that the background checks be done at the state level where there is no prohibition against a backdoor national gun registry done one state at a time. While crappy, we have a gun registry here in California and penalty enhancements when an unregistered gut is involved in a crime, not to mention APPS.

As is the norm with politicians, they waive their hand or point their finger when talking about the need for universal background checks, while their other hand behind their back is working on a national gun registry, and ultimately something like a national ban on categories of firearms and a buyback program. On a national level enforcement is easy; they have the IRS.

While ineffective, APPS is essentially using a gun registry for confiscation and the Legislature continues to add crimes that increase the list of prohibited people; crimes that have no direct link to violence and no victim such as multiple DUIs. There is nothing stopping a one party state like California from passing legislation that makes any crime, infraction or perceived threat as an execute to add someone to their list of prohibited persons.
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Our usual Russian propagandist troll Ja308 citing Brietbart as though this peddler of conspiracy theories and hate is a credible news source.

You entire premise is erroneous.

It is the person, the name, that goes into the registry. When they go to buy a firearm if that person has, recent domestic violence incident, been adjudicated mentally unfit, a convicted felon etc., they are denied the ability to purchase a firearm via the background check.

The reality is the majority of gun owners, again I said, gun owners, support universal background checks. Not our resident propagandist, maybe not even the majority of Calgunners. But the majority of gun owners and even NRA members have no problem with universal background checks.

To Splithoof's point, we all probably shouldn't really be on here right.
I read this and thought I accidentally clicked a link to DU. Then I saw who wrote it and realized someone from DU clicked a link and found himself on CG.
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Our usual Russian propagandist troll Ja308 citing Brietbart as though this peddler of conspiracy theories and hate is a credible news source.

You entire premise is erroneous.

It is the person, the name, that goes into the registry. When they go to buy a firearm if that person has, recent domestic violence incident, been adjudicated mentally unfit, a convicted felon etc., they are denied the ability to purchase a firearm via the background check.

The reality is the majority of gun owners, again I said, gun owners, support universal background checks. Not our resident propagandist, maybe not even the majority of Calgunners. But the majority of gun owners and even NRA members have no problem with universal background checks.

To Splithoof's point, we all probably shouldn't really be on here right.
A better way to describe it would a "gun applicant/owner" registry. It seems like the issue isn't so much the gov't knowing exactly what guns people have as opposed to knowing who has guns.
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For # 10 poster, when I gave up my FFL in 1994 I put my records aside, still have them, and no I was not required to send them to anyone. Just making a small comment.

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Lets have background checks to buy a car or liquor, you know they cause a lot death and injuries.
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Tee hee! It's cute you think there are two parties or a choice.
Yeah Im a proud republican and you Sir are free to compare GOP states to democrat states.

Are you like one of these TV watchers ?
I read the NFL just got Jay Zee on board to help the democrat party steal more gun rights !
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For # 10 poster, when I gave up my FFL in 1994 I put my records aside, still have them, and no I was not required to send them to anyone. Just making a small comment.

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I'm a gun owner and no one have ever asked me about my thoughts on UBC, etc - I'm sure "a majority of" have similarly not be asked either. Maybe some arbitrary statistical sampling of alleged gun owners have been asked - that's hardly the same thing as the actual majority - maybe a census question is in order.

I'm unequivocally opposed to Brady (a.k.a. UBC), GCA (not Garand Collectors Association), NFA and the militia acts (particularly the National Guard section).
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UBC have been in effect since 1991 in CrapOfornia.

That's why there are no mass shootings, Garlic festival shootings, Cowboy night club shootings, etc, etc, etc, in this the most leftist A-hole controlled state in the country.

Because we all know that SF and Excremento political morons have abolished all crime with the passage of their plethora of "Anti Crime Laws".



There's a definitive history proven reason that the wise framers put, 'SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" in the 2A.
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But UBC feels good, gives commies a feeling like they are in control of the unwashed masses and is very difficult to state unequivocally refute that some gun sales have been thwarted due to the perps not even trying. Now if they would pass a law against gun theft and black market sales, we could all feel safe riding our unicorns again.
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Unfortunately we can bi-ch all day long but I think background checks and the red flag law is in our future.

I've seen what just a "welfare check" did to one of our neighbors after she lost her daughter a couple of years back. One the mother's friends thought the mother sounded distraught in a phone conversation. It was downhill from there, psych evaluation, etc.

No doubt the red flag law will be abused.

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I wondered how long it would take before the board's liberals and Democrats piped in. It was actually longer than I thought but the fools showed their colors....again.
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We have had mandatory gun registration here in California since 2014.

Congress will get around to passing that law right after they legalize illegal aliens, balance the budget and pay off the national debt.
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