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Old 08-13-2019, 9:06 PM
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If the ammo is serial numbered and registered, I wouldn't chance it.
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First You don't need a real ID to buy ammo, that part of the law got dropped off. Whoever told you that is not up to date.

Go to Walmart. If you have bought a gun in the last 5 years they do a background check on you which costs $1 and is quick and you walk out with your ammo.

If you haven't bought a gun in the last 5 years it then goes back to 16 years if you haven't moved, and your address hasn't changed. if you have moved then you will have to wait for a "complete background check" which will cost you $19 and and take up to a month to come back then you can pick up your ammo.

I was just told that they are coming back in a few days right now.

All this info was just told to me by MY LGS which actually knows what they are doing and can be taken as gospel.

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Sorry to tell you this, but your local gun store does not know squat about the new law then. Your information is incorrect and unfortunately, your LGS should get re-educated about the law.

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Your LGS gospel is not correct. To use a Federal Limits Apply ID, the purchaser needs to also provide a supporting document, like a birth certificate or passport.

Also, it's not necessarily about when you last bought a gun, but rather if you have a gun in AFS, and whether or not your info is up to date in relation to that gun purchase.
This right here is 100% correct. I have a Federal Limits Apply and use this with my passport and purchase at WM all the time. Already made an appointment to get the Real ID but earliest appointment that could be made at all of the local DMVs in my area (3 different cities nearby) is a month and a half out.
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Just spoke to both of my local stores. They said they will not accept a Passport along with a Federal limits apply ID. So I guess i'm not hunting this season.
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Already made an appointment to get the Real ID but earliest appointment that could be made at all of the local DMVs in my area (3 different cities nearby) is a month and a half out.
Yeah me and my wife tried to make appointments but didn't feel like waiting for months. so we just went to the DMV at 4PM and got a number and waited in the line that had two people in front of us and had our Real ID's in less than 30 minutes.

You should try that unless you can't understand plain English like in my post above. I never said anything about a Federal Limits Apply ID. That's only for people who didn't go to the DMV to get their Real ID and did it online like you did. If you had read the sign that said you had to go to the DMV in person with your documents you would have gotten the right ID card the first time. Now you get to do it over again correctly.

It's really a good idea to read posts you think you disagree with a couple of times to see if you actually understand what they said, before you write your response.

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Just spoke to both of my local stores. They said they will not accept a Passport along with a Federal limits apply ID. So I guess i'm not hunting this season.
Where do you live? How far you willing to drive? Folks might be able to give you a recommendation that's not too far from you. Seems a waste to throw away a whole season rather than drive somewhere within a few hours to get what you need.
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Where do you live? How far you willing to drive? Folks might be able to give you a recommendation that's not too far from you. Seems a waste to throw away a whole season rather than drive somewhere within a few hours to get what you need.
Bishop California. Not much near us unfortunately, maybe there is something in Ridgecrest but thats a 4hr round trip.
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Bishop California. Not much near us unfortunately, maybe there is something in Ridgecrest but thats a 4hr round trip.
Rough.. I'm guessing none of the small shops in Mammoth Lakes works?

Also, I realize Ridgecrest is 4 hr round trip, but if that 1 4hr trip saves your season it might be worth it..
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Rough.. I'm guessing none of the small shops in Mammoth Lakes works?

Also, I realize Ridgecrest is 4 hr round trip, but if that 1 4hr trip saves your season it might be worth it..
I'll try and call some Mammoth shops, i live in Bishop so other than the trout shops up in Mammoth i'm not familiar with any hunting shops.
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I'll try and call some Mammoth shops, i live in Bishop so other than the trout shops up in Mammoth i'm not familiar with any hunting shops.
Yeah I was thinking of Ricks since I knew they sold ammo (but I've never purchased from them). Good luck.
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Yeah I was thinking of Ricks since I knew they sold ammo (but I've never purchased from them). Good luck.
Just talked to Ricks, they said they don't sell ammo anymore and no where in Mammoth does. He said Reagans is the only place, and Reagans told me Real ID or nothing.
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Just talked to Ricks, they said they don't sell ammo anymore and no where in Mammoth does. He said Reagans is the only place, and Reagans told me Real ID or nothing.
Bummer..Here's some small kitchen table ffls I just found (not sure how current):
Eastern Sierra Armory
Licensee Name: Mendel, William Clayton
159 Commerce Dr E4
Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546
Phone: 877-556-7262

GARDNER GUNS
786 Grove Street
Bishop, CA 93514
Telephone: 760-873-8579

SHAEN RIFLES
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Bishop, CA 93514
Telephone: 760-920-3990

They might be willing to do an ammo transfer for you...
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Yeah me and my wife tried to make appointments but didn't feel like waiting for months. so we just went to the DMV at 4PM and got a number and waited in the line that had two people in front of us and had our Real ID's in less than 30 minutes.

You should try that unless you can't understand plain English like in my post above. I never said anything about a Federal Limits Apply ID. That's only for people who didn't go to the DMV to get their Real ID and did it online like you did. If you had read the sign that said you had to go to the DMV in person with your documents you would have gotten the right ID card the first time. Now you get to do it over again correctly.

It's really a good idea to read posts you think you disagree with a couple of times to see if you actually understand what they said, before you write your response.

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Maybe you should start by reading your response to the OP. He stated that he does not have a Real ID and he does not have a SS card. As a result, you indicated that he does not need a Real ID. You then recommended that he go to Walmart and buy the ammo after paying the fee. The problem is that if he goes to Walmart and does not have a Real ID, then he will need a SS card, original birth certificate, or a passport along with his Federal Limits Apply ID as Walmart won't let him buy ammo without a Real ID (with no other documents) or a standard ID/"Federal Limits Apply" with a passport or SS Card or Birth Certificate. Since the OP stated that he does not have a SS Card that is where I recommended a passport.

So, rather than give me a bit of grief, read your response and make sure that you are giving correct information. If your local gun store is selling ammo with the FL Apply DL and no supporting documents, then they are still misinformed but who am I other than some stranger on the internet? But hey, you've obviously read your posts a couple of times before giving out your advice I see...
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Whatever, Like I said earlier nobody understands this stupid law and as such it will be shot down as there are already filings against it.

I see no need to discuss this further.

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So from what I understand from this thread is a lot of places only want to deal with the Real ID.

A couple weeks ago I was denied at Walmart. I am thinking the sales clerk filled out the form incorrectly. He was guessing that my denial was because of the type of ammo I was buying and I would receive a letter. No letter as of yet, so I may try again.

No matter I stocked up in advance.
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Whatever, Like I said earlier nobody understands this stupid law and as such it will be shot down as there are already filings against it.

I see no need to discuss this further.

Randy

Of course you don't because its clear that the information that you originally provided the OP was definitely wrong and if he had of followed that advice that you gave, he would have wasted his time going to WM and still been denied the ammo purchase. So now it appears that you are trying to leave the conversation without further embarrassment after realizing that what I said made a lot more sense than the advice that you gave. That's cool and I'm okay with that and I'm glad that I could help to clarify for the OP (and yourself of course) what I was simply recommending given the fact that he did not have his SS card with him. Hopefully everything will work out for the OP in his efforts to secure ammo soon.

And, yes I will even agree with you that hopefully the law is actually shot down in the future, but in the meantime, the law is actually quite clear as to what you actually need if you go someplace and want to buy ammo and the documents that you will need to take. So for a person like me who has a FL Apply DL (that I got due to an automatic renewal) all I had to take was my passport and I'm good to go. No different than yourself except for the fact that you got your Real ID. The end result is that we both are able to buy ammo.

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There are 3 DLs in play in California right now;
1. RealID
2. “Legacy” DL issued prior to RealID. (The existence of these licenses confuses the issue, but they will eventually phase out.)
3. AB 60, “Federal Limits Apply” (Issued to persons without documentation of lawful residency or to lawful residents who opt to not obtain a RealID.)

The LAX Ammo graphic (previously poster by torr11) illustrates these.

DOJ has explained this here and here.

Those documents are derived from the regulations which are pretty clear on what must be submitted to, and honored by, FFLs/Ammo Vendors.

DLs #1 and #2 fall under subdivision (a) as, they don’t carry the “Federal Limits Apply” language. These licenses don’t require additional documentation. (Yes, you can buy ammo and guns without a RealID or additional documentation!)

DL #3 falls under subdivision (b) because it carries the “Federal Limits Apply” language. Additional documentation is required with these licenses because they don’t validate lawful residency.

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ß 4045.1. Additional Documentation Requirements for Eligibility Checks with Federal Non-Compliant California Driver License or Identification Card.
This section applies to all firearms and ammunition eligibility checks, including any eligibility check described in Division 5. For the purposes of this section, “eligibility checks” refers to background checks based on any application or report for which an applicant is required to submit a driver license or identification card, or the number from a driver license or identification card, so that the Department of Justice may determine the applicant's eligibility to possess a firearm or ammunition under state or federal law.
(a) For all eligibility checks, a copy of the applicant's California driver license or identification card, or out-of-state driver license, if applicable, shall be submitted, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g).
(b) For all eligibility checks, if the applicant presents a federal non-compliant California driver license or identification card with the notation “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” on the front, the applicant shall also submit proof of lawful presence in the United States, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g), in the form of one of the following documents:
(1) Valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card.
(2) Certified copy of U.S. birth certificate.
(3) Certification of Birth Abroad (FS-545), Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350) or Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (FS-240), issued by the U.S. Department of State.
(4) Valid, unexpired foreign passport with valid U.S. immigrant visa and approved Record of Arrival/Departure (I-94) form.
(5) Certified copy of birth certificate from a U.S. Territory.
(6) Certificate of Naturalization or U.S. Citizenship.
(7) Valid, unexpired Permanent Resident Card.
(c) For all eligibility checks, if the applicant's name as it appears on the federal non-compliant California driver license or identification card differs from the name on the proof of lawful presence document submitted in accordance with subdivision (b), the applicant shall also submit, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g), one of the following certified documents:
(1) An adoption document that contains the legal name of the applicant as a result of the adoption.
(2) A name change document that contains the applicant's legal name both before and, as a result of, the name change.
(3) A marriage certificate.
(4) A dissolution of marriage document that contains the legal name of the applicant as a result of the court action.
(5) A certificate, declaration or registration document verifying the formation of a domestic partnership.
(6) A dissolution of domestic partnership document that contains the legal name of the applicant as a result of the court action.
Neither a Social Security Card nor a military ID work, here.
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So from what I understand from this thread is a lot of places only want to deal with the Real ID.
See explanation, above. They have to accept the Legacy DLs as they are not a, “...federal non-compliant California driver license....”

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A couple weeks ago I was denied at Walmart. I am thinking the sales clerk filled out the form incorrectly. He was guessing that my denial was because of the type of ammo I was buying and I would receive a letter. No letter as of yet, so I may try again.

No matter I stocked up in advance.
The type, caliber, brand, and quantity of ammo you are buying has nothing to do with the DOJ authorization to purchase. All of the product information goes into the system AFTER the authorization to purchase is returned.

This process simply clears the INDIVIDUAL and authorizes the individual to purchase ammunition. Once authorized, you can buy as much of anything you want (and your credit card can withstand).
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I would never suggest that anyone break the law but if someoneís spouse bought ammo at Walmart and that person used it in a legal manner, it seems highly improbable that anyone would ever know the difference.

Ammo doesnít have serial numbers and thereís really no way of knowing when you acquired it. Probably many people are swapping ammo without a dros anyway. If not maliciously, then out of ignorance because itís hard to keep track of gun law changes in CA if your not on forums like this.

Not that not getting caught makes something less illegal.

All that being said. After you decide what you want to do for dove season, OP.

Get your ss card and real id when you can. Youíre a grown man, you should have your ss card anyway.

Itís not hard to do. Get your docs together and show up at a dmv office early on a day other than Monday or Friday. I did it and it took about 1.5 hours with waiting. Sucks but thatís life and I had to get my eyes tested anyway.

Just bite the bullet and get it done.
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I just went into the local shop to get some trap and dove loads for the upcoming season. I was informed that even though I just got a new ID in May, since it isn't a california Real ID I cannot buy ammunition. I would need to get my social security card mailed from my parents and then apply for a real ID which will take 2-4 weeks to receive. Since the season starts in just over 2 weeks.
FLA DL requirements:
See above requirements for using the “Federal Limits Apply” DL for ammo purchasers.
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Real ID:

The SS Card isn’t required...you can use a pay stub or W-2!....here’s the DMV’s list. And, the DMV tells you it will take 2-4 weeks to receive the license. However, everybody I’ve talked to about this (including myself ) has received it within 7 days. (As always, YMMV.)
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Is it legal for my wife to buy me ammunition since she has the Real ID?
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Straw purchase. You could look at it that way.
Or, one could look at the statute: CA PC 30312
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(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.
(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following
(10) A person who purchases or receives ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.
Drive her to the store.
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Of course you don't because its clear that the information that you originally provided the OP was definitely wrong and if he had of followed that advice that you gave, he would have wasted his time going to WM and still been denied the ammo purchase. So now it appears that you are trying to leave the conversation without further embarrassment after realizing that what I said made a lot more sense than the advice that you gave. That's cool and I'm okay with that and I'm glad that I could help to clarify for the OP (and yourself of course) what I was simply recommending given the fact that he did not have his SS card with him. Hopefully everything will work out for the OP in his efforts to secure ammo soon.

And, yes I will even agree with you that hopefully the law is actually shot down in the future, but in the meantime, the law is actually quite clear as to what you actually need if you go someplace and want to buy ammo and the documents that you will need to take. So for a person like me who has a FL Apply DL (that I got due to an automatic renewal) all I had to take was my passport and I'm good to go. No different than yourself except for the fact that you got your Real ID. The end result is that we both are able to buy ammo.

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LOL!
So I guess we agree on some of the more important points.

Here's something you can use.

If you go to the DMV at or after 4 PM like on a Tuesday or Wednesday, you will generally find that the lines are virtually non existent. We arrived at 4:10 PM and were out the door at 4:45 PM. There was two people in front of us and they were done quickly. We had all our docs with us because we read the instructions on line.

Most people don't read the instructions, or else we wouldn't be discussing this FLA license. You have to go in person or you don't get the right one.

As far as embarrassment? I had an Electric Fart once, that was embarrassing. This not so much.

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Because of this whole mess I bought 5 boxes of #6 steel shot 12 gauge for September 1 since I knew that lead was going to be out this year. This year was a double whammy ammo drosing and no lead at the same time. Because of this some of my friends are going to skip opening dove season this year.
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The Issue lies with certain dealers. Most will accept the fla license accompanied by passport, birth certificate, etc. Some however are requiring a Real i.d. even though the law doesnt require it.
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If you go to the DMV at or after 4 PM like on a Tuesday or Wednesday, you will generally find that the lines are virtually non existent. We arrived at 4:10 PM and were out the door at 4:45 PM. There was two people in front of us and they were done quickly. We had all our docs with us because we read the instructions on line.

Most people don't read the instructions, or else we wouldn't be discussing this FLA license. You have to go in person or you don't get the right one.

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Also, fill out the application on line. It will provide you with a number which facilitates the process because your application info is already loaded. Otherwise, you need to fill it out at the office.
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I don't understand how legal residents or US citizens get Federal Limits apply DL in the first place. When I was legal resident, never had FL DL before, and as US citizen, still never had or heard of FL DL until couple months before the Ammo law change.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:22 AM
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It is not state mandated it is federal law. No flying without real id or a passport
next year.
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Old 08-15-2019, 1:36 PM
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Get your ss card and real id when you can. Youíre a grown man, you should have your ss card anyway.
Why do people find the need to be insulting. Turns out I do have my SS card, since no one ever needs it, its easy to forget where its at. Of course none of that changes anything because its 4 hours away locked in my safe in my apartment.

I'll get a real ID when I can. For now I found a local shop that says they will sell to me with a passport. So i'll get my passport shipped to me when my wife goes back to the apartment this weekend and hopefully that will get me taken care of for now.
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Iím not being insulting. Iím being frank. You originally said your parents had the card.

An adult should have possession of all of their important/sensitive documents and I think you probably can see that now over this whole real id thing.
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Iím not being insulting. Iím being frank. You originally said your parents had the card.

An adult should have possession of all of their important/sensitive documents and I think you probably can see that now over this whole real id thing.
No you're being insulting. And actually the SS isn't needed as pointed out above. So its just you telling me how you think I should be. Its none of your business where I store my documents.
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Old 08-15-2019, 3:00 PM
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OUCH!!!
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Drive out of state to hunt doves.
Or just shoot up the last of your lead.

360 wardens to check 154,000 upland stamp holders...
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Old 08-15-2019, 3:42 PM
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...I would need to get my social security card mailed from my parents
What response were you expecting to this statement? Think about it.

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...I didn't get a real ID back in May because I didn't have time since I was going on a road trip. Also they don't tell you anywhere you can't buy ammo without one. All it said was you need one to fly after Oct 2020, so I didn't feel in a huge rush. Thanks for your post, it was very helpful!
Life is busy sometimes, whose really at fault here?

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I just get pissy when someone starts to tell me how I need to act as an adult. The social security card is a non issue, so people can mind their own ****ing business on that one.

...were 2 weeks out from dove season and I don't have a real ID. I'm not a gun fanatic, other hobbies take up my time. So I don't sit here and go over details of every law thats passing. Even after reading about the background checks at no point did I read anything about the real idea. So you can mozy right along now, you aren't helping.
Lots of ranting here. If you expect to hunt in CA, without keeping up on the laws, you are setting yourself up for failure.

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Nope. At this point i'm giving up on dove season. Thanks a lot california you ****ing communists.
Granted, CA laws suck, but maybe you could accept some resposibility.

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I guess I'll find out tomorrow. But I'm guessing I won't be dove hunting this year.
You could still get what you need done in time to dove hunt, but it seems you don't want to put the effort in, so it must not really be important to you, other that to rant and finger point at others.

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No you're being insulting. And actually the SS isn't needed as pointed out above. So its just you telling me how you think I should be. Its none of your business where I store my documents.
He's not insulting you, just stating his opinion. Maybe you are insulted & pissy because deep down you may agree with him. I could be wrong though.


Have your wife (if she can) buy the ammo for you, if you really want to hunt. If she can't buy it, just have a friend in Bishop buy the shells and hunt with him.

Beware of what you post on public forums, beacuse not everyone will agree with you.

I hope you get it figured out and have a successful dove hunt. Good luck.
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Old 08-15-2019, 3:44 PM
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Or just shoot up the last of your lead.

360 wardens to check 154,000 upland stamp holders...
With my luck, there's no way in hell I'd try that........
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Hell swing by my house I will give some shells to shoot!!! then your good to go.
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I spoke with two different people at two different DFG (will never be DFW for me) Enforcement Division offices, Los Alamitos and Sacramental, just last week. Was looking for clarification on some of the new ammo rules, since DFG are the ones we are most likely to encounter once the season starts. Was told by both that DOJ has issued no guidance to DFG and that DOJ has no idea what they are doing. Per one of the wardens, the new ammo regs are a compete cluster ****, whether it's about purchase or transfer or or transport across state lines. This thread is a perfectly good example of that.
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Old 08-15-2019, 7:08 PM
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An adult should have possession of all of their important/sensitive documents and I think you probably can see that now over this whole real id thing.
Gosh, I feel so...inadequate.....no, pre-pubescent.

Look, Sparky, Iíll be 68 in October. I havenít seen my SS Card in probably 50 years. That didnít slow down a 30-year military carrier or a lengthy public service career. I also have a passport.

NO ONE asks for it...they ask for the number. In fact, Social Security tells you not to carry the card....it has your SSAN and your signature.

If thereís a problem, the IRS will explain it to you.

As regards the issuance of a RealID, I demonstrated above, that the SS Card isnít needed. (Once again hereís the DMV list) If youíve filed taxes, a W-2 or a 1099-R covers it.

So, looking at the full body of information, the SS Card isnít an important document for adults.

If you REALLY think you need one, you can create an account on MySocial Security. Com and request a new card. Theyíll mail it to you.
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It is not state mandated it is federal law. No flying without real id or a passport next year.
Oct 1, 2020, and a mil ID will get you on the plane. (But, of course, you canít use the mil ID to get a RealID.)

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Adult passengers 18 and over must show valid identification at the airport checkpoint in order to travel.

Driver's licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)
U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
Permanent resident card
Border crossing card
DHS-designated enhanced driver's license
Federally recognized, tribal-issued photo ID
HSPD-12 PIV card
Foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver's license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
Transportation worker identification credential
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential
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Gosh, I feel so...inadequate.....no, pre-pubescent.
Bottom line is the OP had the opportunity to get a Real ID rather than whine about buying ammo. He screwed up and now blames everyone but himself.
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Bottom line is the OP had the opportunity to get a Real ID rather than whine about buying ammo. He screwed up and now blames everyone but himself.
OK, so you missed it. Your comment is irrelevant to my post.

Bottom line is, you donít need a RealID to buy ammo in Ca. The statute, the regs and the DOJ say that.

All the rest is petty carping about how other people run their lives. Who cares?

Especially since (Iíll type slowly) he doesnít need a RealID to buy ammo.

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