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Old 02-25-2018, 2:14 PM
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Default Updated German Mauser Collection


Updated crest photo of my German/possible German used collection. L to R:
DUV 42 (actually assembled by Gustloff in 1943)
BNZ 42 (Steyr 1942)
147 1940 (JP Sauer 1940)
660 1938 (Steyr 1938)
S/42 1937 (Mauser-Oberndorf 1937)
S/147 1936 (JP Sauer 1936)
S/42G (Mauser-Oberndor 1935)
CZ Brno (Brno 1926, possibly German use. Has some German modifications)
Some closer photos of the DUV 42





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Old 02-26-2018, 6:52 AM
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Very nice. I am sensing a predilection toward early - mid war specimens. I lean toward late war stuff, but those early K98’s with hardwood stocks and tons of prewar to wartime cartouches are very nice too.
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Honestly, I'm not terribly picky when it comes to manufacturer/year anymore. I've only really had opportunity with more early war stuff. I'm pretty picky when it comes to condition however. Being more of a collector, I'm shooting for bolt/stock m/m or better. I haven't had a great opportunity on a later war/Kreigsmodell k98k. I will admit I was influenced by the fit and finish of the early war models, but the more industrial look and feel of the mid war stuff has grown a lot on me. I eventually want one from every manufacturer and every period...

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Old 02-26-2018, 9:21 AM
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There are 100 different ways to approach collecting K98's. I personally like cupped butt plates and front sight hoods, but earlier models that are Weimar marked are great too.

I have an AX 41 which is supposedly a fairly rare code. All of the metal is matching including bolt and barrel bands, but it has obviously been reblued and the stock is a replacement.


I restored a DOU 43 that was all matching but had regrettably been sporterized, including the stock which was cut down, and the barrel bands and handguard were gone. I put it back together and was happy with the result.


Funnest project was a barreled receiver only phosphated BNZ45. The end result is neither correct nor matching, but it is at least all late war stamped and phosphated parts. This one surprised me by being a great shooter at the range.


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I'm pretty envious of the ax coded one. Feima's are hard to find, only surpassed by BSW and maybe 337 coded rifles. That Steyr is an interesting piece. The phosphate doesn't have the same allure as bluing does to me, but it still looks great.
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I'm pretty envious of the ax coded one. Feima's are hard to find, only surpassed by BSW and maybe 337 coded rifles. That Steyr is an interesting piece. The phosphate doesn't have the same allure as bluing does to me, but it still looks great.
I am woefully ignorant of such details, I must admit. My scientific methodology of a rare gun is one that I rarely see offered for sale in the dozen or so boards I monitor.
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You have a nice collection of not so easy to find WW2 German rifles, especially living in CA. Maybe it's just because I'm not in the city areas, but in the 10 years or so that I was collecting these, finding original matching or even bolt m/m in CA was not easy. All that I was able to obtain came from out of CA, either via auction sites, forums, or other collectors. And those sources seem to have mostly dried up the past few years as well.

I mostly had mid and late war guns. Not so much because I didn't like or want early or pre, but simply because they were more available. The early and prewar guns were in higher demand and collectors hung on to them tigter. So the fact that yours are mostly early is also impressive.

The 660 is my favorite of your set. I could never get one back when I was collecting. Thanks for sharing the pics.
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Thanks! I've been pretty lucky finding some of the rarer pieces for my collection relatively early on (G29, Gustloff assembled DUV, S/42G). I only got the 1937 S/42 in-state and everything else from out. It's funny because my experience has been the opposite, I can only seem to find pre/early war stuff and haven't had a ton of luck with the later/kriegsmodell.
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This is my small Maurer collection. 1939 numbers matching, 1940 Russian capture and a yugo m48a import.20180126_173607.jpg

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There has room for an Erma 98k right
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This is my small Maurer collection. 1939 numbers matching, 1940 Russian capture and a yugo m48a import.
Very nice! Too bad about the 1942 42 K98k. Those are pretty hard to find intact, even a bolt m/m.

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There has room for an Erma 98k right
Always room for more. I would eventually love to get 1 of each factory's rifles into my collection. Added a 2nd S/42G (couldn't turn the it down for the price). Also a Persian VZ-24

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Hi, do you have an estimated value or even just some information on a CS. ST. ZBROJOVKA BRNO rifle looks like a B block as it matches B87 everywhere. Barrel at end has a faded what looks like 86 22 8mm CZECHO. Tried looking it up and got confused. Thanks.
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Hi, do you have an estimated value or even just some information on a CS. ST. ZBROJOVKA BRNO rifle looks like a B block as it matches B87 everywhere. Barrel at end has a faded what looks like 86 22 8mm CZECHO. Tried looking it up and got confused. Thanks.
Probably a 98/22 from the sound of it. 29" barrel? Depending on condition and if it was sold to the Turks or not, $250-350. Since it's import marked, it was probably sold to Turkey. Turkey was not known for treating their Mausers very well
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Very nice! Too bad about the 1942 42 K98k. Those are pretty hard to find intact, even a bolt m/m.

Which rifle were you referring to? (1942 42 K98k)
You have a an impressive Mauser collection Itong29.
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Very nice! Too bad about the 1942 42 K98k. Those are pretty hard to find intact, even a bolt m/m.

Which rifle were you referring to? (1942 42 K98k)
You have a an impressive Mauser collection Itong29.
Thanks! I was referring to the 1940 42 K98k. With the exception of the introduction of laminated stocks in 1937, K98k manufacturing techniques largely hadn't changed between late 1934 and late 1941/early 1942. Most 1940/1941 rifles would have been issued to troops preparing for the upcoming Operation Barbarossa (Invasion of the Soviet Union), as the Western Front had largely stabilized with the capitulation of France. Since Barbarossa didn't go according to plan and the war wasn't won in rapid succession like the conflict in France and Poland did, German found itself in a very bad production situation in 1942. In order to replace material losses, manufacturing simplifications were implemented to increase output and reduce manufacturing time in the form of decreased inspections (early K98ks had 3 receiver/assembly inspections, later ones had maybe 1), a decreased level of polish and finish, and eventually stamped parts (as opposed to milled).
Example 1 (Pre-War 1938 Steyr G20):

See how there are 3 waffenamt inspections and a high level of machining/receiver polishing. High quality, commercial bluing.
Example 2 (Mid-War 1942 Steyr K98k):

Only a single waffenamt inspection. You can also notice machining marks still present on the receiver. Bluing not as high quality as pre-war rifle.
TL, DR: 1940 Mauser-Oberndorf rifles are pretty rare to find in non-RC configuration since most were lost on the Eastern Front.
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Thanks for the good info. I tried to resist the mauser rabbit hole but the resistance is futile.
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