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Old 06-13-2018, 1:17 PM
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Just build a featureless lower, take the upper off your RAW, make it featureless by removing the flashhider and/or vertical foregrip, put featureless upper on featureless lower, take it to the range, no special RAW rules. Really not that complicated fellas. If the government ever wants your RAW, strip the receiver, write "HAHA!" on it and turn it in or simply move it out of state. An AR15 lower receiver is just a $50 chunk of aluminum. All the other parts are just paperweights.
There must be a lot of people with just one AR15.

I understand the reason why people wont register and I respect that. But they have to know their featureless or ar/ak pattern rifles will become RAWs. Probably within the next 5 years. I would much rather have a BB RAW than a featureless one.
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How does one stand up for his/her rights if people/government don't even know they exist? Larger the registered population will tell the government there are substantial number of voters they are screwing with. If they don't know you exist, they won't care. Lot of folks talk big in the forums, but when it's time to put their skin in the game, they bow out. IMHO it is more resistance by saying, yes, I am here, and I own evil looking rifles with my fellow citizens and I am not afraid of letting Govn know where I am.

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Exactly why I registered and why I think not registering is counter productive. The more people who are registered the bigger the group looks to the government and the people trying to strip us of our rights. If we have millions of RAW owners on the books its going to be harder for POS politicians to say its a small group they can easily deal with. If its a massive group, that goes into consideration because of how much it will cost to implement the law and how many people you may have to criminalize and send to prison.
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Old 06-13-2018, 1:44 PM
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Or there are people with multiples of everything. If I wanted to leave semi automatic rifles unattended in my car right after driving from the range, I don't have to bring one of my RAWs.

The people who like to keep pointing out some of the caveats of RAWs in order to justify their own personal choice need to understand that you don't have to RAW everything.
Yes, don't RAW everything (especially pre 2014 long guns). At this time there don't have to be any absolutes. Some wise people have put it this way (a few eggs in each basket is the safest route). There are definitely pros and cons to each option including registration as much as I hate to say it.
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Old 06-13-2018, 1:50 PM
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To each his own, BUT, with my experience with Da Govment, including the fact that I once had a FFL, I say stay as low to the ground as you can. I gave up the FFL in 2004, but I figure somewhere maybe a mile deep in a computer file there is such a record. I still have all of my 4473s long after the required 10 yrs will still keep them until I cross Jordan. All three of my rifles are " Fixed Mag " as in permanantly fixed, no open the upper & the mag falls out.
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Old 06-13-2018, 1:52 PM
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The decision is an individual one. Who am I to judge how someone else weighs risks versus benefits? While we can agree that the legislation is unreasonable and even wrong, but the response is a choice that belongs to each individual.
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I registered. I can always buy featureless now (until those are banned). I figure the Gov. knows I have guns. I'f they're coming for one, they'll take them all (unless you have something stashed somewhere). I can always un-register down the road if I want. I also like the fact I can go to 26".
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Old 06-13-2018, 3:01 PM
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The decision is an individual one. Who am I to judge how someone else weighs risks versus benefits? While we can agree that the legislation is unreasonable and even wrong, but the response is a choice that belongs to each individual.
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Or people, like me, hate the Bullet Button or having to break the action to drop a mag and want to utilize the rifle in a more standard way. The added benefit being I can't register it and I am perfectly fine with that. I went featureless way before all this B.S. was decided and stuck with it as the collection here.

But to each their own, I always say.
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Old 06-13-2018, 3:46 PM
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One main reason I registered was I felt DOJ was actively discouraging registeration. If ur opponent does not want u to do something it must mean it would be beneficial to u.

The law clearly states “must” register, then DOJ is like, well not really if u have ur rifle like this, without that, and we are ok if u just have them apart (so very helpful), but if u insist to register, here are all the hoops to jump through AND no modification after or it is a different weapon ok, I think u don’t want me to register.
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Old 06-13-2018, 8:33 PM
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One main reason I registered was I felt DOJ was actively discouraging registeration. If ur opponent does not want u to do something it must mean it would be beneficial to u.

The law clearly states “must” register, then DOJ is like, well not really if u have ur rifle like this, without that, and we are ok if u just have them apart (so very helpful), but if u insist to register, here are all the hoops to jump through AND no modification after or it is a different weapon ok, I think u don’t want me to register.
That logic reminds me of the "Battle of wits" from the Princess Bride...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio
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Old 06-13-2018, 9:00 PM
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That logic reminds me of the "Battle of wits" from the Princess Bride...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio
That was something different from logic!

If you could remove the bullet button I could see guys registering one or two but having to keep the bb after registering is bad deal for the gun owner.

Go featureless or fixed mag.
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Featureless made more sense...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQztoIB9K0

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Old 06-14-2018, 5:36 PM
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I have made all my AR's and AK's (20) featureless or locked mag.

No more bullet buttons, no need to register anything..... don't feel like giving anyone any credit for passing anti-constitutional bs laws.
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I registered. I can always buy featureless now (until those are banned). I figure the Gov. knows I have guns. I'f they're coming for one, they'll take them all (unless you have something stashed somewhere). I can always un-register down the road if I want. I also like the fact I can go to 26".
There is no mechanism that forces the DOJ to un-register. Ask me how I know.

I'll never register anything again, ever.
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Old 06-14-2018, 5:49 PM
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I registered. Also ordered a featureless kit, so that I can converted/change in the future.

I just decided I'd sell it out-of-state or convert if they ever tried to take them. Until then, it's stock.

Tough choice!
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Old 06-14-2018, 6:02 PM
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There is no mechanism that forces the DOJ to un-register. Ask me how I know.

I'll never register anything again, ever.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts.....expecting you can “deregister” may be folly


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