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Yup, I know the rider, used to be a neighbor.
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DUH. She wasn't waving that thing around because she was direcing traffic. |
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Okay... Tell that to every gang member, Mexican mafia/cartel. Tell that to the thugs and cholos running around with ak47 and full auto AR with 30+ round clips. They just don't walk into there local gun shop and pick these up. One day the scum bags will try to take over your streets, and the only thing you will have is a o/u to fire 2 warning shots. If they won't give up their guns I ain't giving up mine.
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DIFI and the other opinionated useless politician friends have been going on at length about us not needing more than 10 rounds because are not at war. Ergo, if the police need more than 10 rounds they must be at war. The question is who with? Quod erat demonstrandum DUH, Get it now?
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Leo are at war with various cartels, etc.
You as a law abiding 2a citizen don't have to deal with cartels. I'm a strong supporter of 2a and all the other amendments. But also LEO'S have another element they deal with which we do not! Give em a break. So we don't have to deal with those criminal bastards .... |
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I assume that was some weak attempt at being witty? Nice one!
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Anyone who has used a SMG or pistol caliber carbine can tell you how much easier it is to quickly get hits on target compared to a pistol.
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I wonder if we will start seeing decapitated heads hanging off the 405 freeway someday.
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Correct and as a sidearm they are superior to a pistol which is why they are used as sidearms by Israeli LEO. We do not equip them that way. SMGs are not a proper transitional firearm from a pistol to longarm. Its a baby step that is not needed in that way. If she is in a situation requiring more power then a pistol sidearm, she needs a SBR, not an SMG. |
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Just to make my last post 100% clear... LEO are NOT at war. They are HIRED to protect and serve the public. They go after criminals who don't want to be arrested. Civilians are the prey item if these criminals and both LEO and civilian are under the same threat. Civilians are at a higher risk since we must wait for help and are not allowed ( under the current laws) to properly defend ourselves.
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The police are at war with you. Why do you think the politicians cater to the unions. Because they are the strong arm of the political machine. As those in power, and more so those who pull their strings, turn the screws of tyranny ever tighter, they need a para military organization to carry out increasingly questionable acts to maintain compliance. Non hesitation targets of children, armored mine resistant vehicles, sub machine guns and assault rifles, and the power to detain you indefinitely. The cops will mow you and your family down without question before they risk that golden parachute retirement system they got going on. The shooting of the two paper ladies in the Dorner manhunt is a prime example. I'll tell you what, I fear the police more than any gang banger or drug cartel.
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Good thread and I learned a lot from the debate.. Used my google skills...
That HK MP7 machine pistol uses a 4.6mm round that is exclusive (so far) to that weapon. Must be hard to find reloading components..... It looks nice but I'am not sure it's a good choice in some situations.
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I also wonder why the cops need this: http://patdollard.com/2013/02/dhs-mrap-combat-vehicle/, specifically 2700 of them
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i saw a similar setup on a bike that cruzed by me on the freeway today. Only caught a glimpse, but the rifle looked incredibly small. Like, SBR small. |
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Actually it looks like she is directing traffic or something similar so that weapon would be perfect for what she is doing in that picture. Maybe she keeps it on board for those instances? Who knows if she uses it constantly. If she is performing "crowd control" that weapon is perfect. I think for what she is doing in the picture its perfect. I do agree with your entire post though but I would like to know more about the photo before I made such a statement. EDIT: Now that I look at the picture again it looks like she is telling the person who is taking the picture to GET THE **** OUTTA HERE!! Lol
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I think the compact and deployable choice of an MP7 makes more sense for a motorcycle officer, however, the unique caliber does not. I would also assume that any situation (hostage crisis, bank robbery) where the target is out to 100 yrds & beyond usually involves a designated department marksman with the appropriate firearm, a scoped rifle in 308. However, most police engagements that involve a firearm unfold rapidly and chaotically, close quarters, more commonly when answering calls with domestic disputes (?), so the necessity of an AR is unusual. Recent events would presumably favor of LEOs carrying ARs, however, look at how LEOs reacted to unconfirmed suspected vehicles! Zero accountability and restraint, they became just as much of a threat as the man (we all know who he was) who was threatening them. My point, I hope these guys and gals in uniform are being trained well. Spray and pray with overwhelming fire power (your best defense is superior offense) usually seems to be the instinctual reaction, contrary to training, in most LEO confrontations that involve firearms. What is the collateral damage that will result with ARs now being the go to PD firearm? Time will tell. In San Diego a couple years back, LEO arrived on scene with ARs, two officers, two ARs, suspect was armed with a shotgun and the officers had been alerted that he had killed his neighbors after years of feuding. As I recall, they fired approx 30 rnds, mortally wounding the suspect. Do not recall how many actually hit the suspect, but there were no reports of innocent citizens being harmed. Feel free to correct my version of teh story, it was a while back, but I was impressed by the fact LEOs were deploying with ARs to domestics. Feel free to educate me on LEO tactics and protocol, my assessment is merely assumption as opposed to actual field knowledge. Interesting subject, especially considering the current state of our Constitutional rights and the militarization of law enforcement agencies.
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Reread what dieselpower wrote and definitely agree with your points.
But I would still like to know where that picture was taken. Can't make out the department ID and location, name might be Philips though, ha.
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I never realized you need to be slung with an mp7 to direct traffic....Police state anyone???...I wonder if terrorist are going to attack leo's after an incident while they're directing/controlling traffic.........Straight up abusive show of authority......Comes right back to police state and militarization of public servants.
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Educate yourself before you pop off, you won't look quite so foolish. That photo was during an active shooter incident. The Cupertino Quarry shooting from a year or so ago. Shot 9 people, killing three. Shot someone else while carjacking them. He fled on foot into a neighborhood. It took nearly a day to locate him. He used an "AR15, AK47, Glock 9mm and shotgun". They were searching for him in an urban setting. He clearly had no problem murdering people. You still think the officers should still use nothing more than a sidearm? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino_quarry_shooting
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I think someone's jealous the lady cop has a better gun than him. And you're sure she's directing traffic how? Maybe she's pointing that the shooter is that way. Or the CP is that way. Or officer X went that way or... And even if she was directing traffic at a call for a man with a gun in the area, so what? Who's to say the bad guy won't pop out from behind the bushes directly near her. The guys below are directing traffic. No one questioned their need for their rifles. It's amazing how many people can get worked up from one pic. |
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Be bad *** if it was full auto and she just lit up the heels of the reporters as they ran...
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The pic also ran in a thread after the shooting, but that was back in a less contenous time, before everyone got worked about about such things and folks were not so anti .gov and anti LEO. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=485714 . |
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Is she going room to room on an entry team wearing a wind breaker and cycle helmet? Is she really standing outdoor parameter security...with an 4.6mm SMG? I really don't care myself, I see guys using 12" wrenches for hammers all the time... that doesnt mean I am going to start issuing them to my roofing crew Like this Department did to her. Cycle cops need SBRs, chambered in 7.62 or 5.56. They need sidearms just like any Officer. Cop cars all need SBRs and SBSs in the trunk, as well as teddy bears, candy bars, med-kits and smoke grenades. SWAT vans need SBRs, SBS, SMGs, unmanned drones, side looking radar, thermal imagining... ect. If you guys don't understand the simplest form of load-out, I can offer my services at a price.... |
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Anyway, I saw a patrol officer on a bike in Burbank with a CTR and what I swear was a moe handguard.
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