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Vortex Optics Crossfire II 2-7x32mm Dead-Hold BDC 3 21.43%
Burris Fullfield II 2-7x35mm Ballistic Plex 3 21.43%
Leupold VX-1 2-7x33mm LR Duplex 3 21.43%
Redfield Revolution 2-7x33mm Accu-Range 0 0%
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Default Savage 10 223, which scope for range and coyote?

The Savage came packaged with the Nikon 3-9x40 BDC. I was thinking of going with a smaller and less "busy" scope. I mostly shoot range but have a hankerin' for coyote. Which do you think is a good scope? These are more inexpensive choices and if you know of another inexpensive one, feel free to tell me about it.

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What? The Nikon is not to your liking? It's something you already have. Just curious.
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Sightron SIH 1.75-4x32 duplex (13.4 oz)
or SIH 3-9x40 duplex (15 oz)
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I’d go with the Burris or Leupold, I’d run from the Crossfire. It’s not in the same league. I own a 2-7x35 Fullfield II and a 3-9x40 VX-2. If you can get the Leupold for the same price as the Burris I’d get it. Since Leupold has cancelled the VX-2 line I guess you can get a good deal on them right now. I’ve looked through a bunch of Redfields and to my eyes the Burris has better glass. Where you really notice the difference is in low light.
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I have a Burris Fullfield E1 2-7x35mm on a 7.62x39 rifle. Nice scope with good glass and a very usable reticle IMHO.

That said, I have a Sighton SI-TAC 4-12x40AO on the .223 MPV. Very good glass for the money, decent mag range for the distance I shoot, AO is nice, weighs in at slightly over a pound. That combo just works for me.
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I've hunted plenty with a Nikon Buckmasters 3x9 w/BDC and the glass is more than capable, especially at that price point for coyotes and the like. Mine is the older (higher quality) model, but under normal lighting conditions they look similar to the new ones. I know this is a subjective matter, but the BDC reticles aren't busy compared to what's out nowadays - it's just crosshairs with 3 ranging circles below it.

You aren't getting much (if any) performance increase with the other scopes listed. Choose the reticle you want most and going from there is my suggestion. Good luck & let us know what you decide on.
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My 308 has the Nikko-Stirling Gameking LRX reticle (xmas tree). Maybe I get to the rifle range once or twice a year. I don't really have the time (or inclination) to learn a "system". So, I'm thinking a simple crosshair with maybe a couple of lower lines is for me. I'll probably buy the same scope for both rifles to simplify things.
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I have a Sig Sauer Whiskey3 2-7x 32mm on my coyote gun and love it. Mine has the Hellfire Quadplex reticle and is so close to the Leupold VX-R I used to have....except better...and cheaper. I like supporting American companies but have been unimpressed by Leupold, especially when shelling out triple money. I took the Sig out in the desert last weekend with about a half moon and was surprised at how good the light transmission was at night for the price paid. Center illumination was just the right amount for close range shooting and didn't wash out the target behind. I have a red dot on my other varmint/predator gun and didn't like it as much even when were about 15 yards from the caller. Paid $202.99.
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I ended up with Burris's on my 270 and 257, so yes I like burris glass. My 35 Remington wears a vari-x 1 2x7

Based upon the choices you provided I would get a burris FF2 dirt cheap over at 24hourcampfire, 2nd choice would be the leupold or Redfield. I have both of those in a 2x7 VX-1 and Revolution and they seem to be the same.
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I used to have a Model 11 in 223 and it was a shooter.

Enjoy it with whatever glass you choose.

I had a generic 4-12x on it.
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What? The Nikon is not to your liking? It's something you already have. Just curious.
To be more specific. I am zeroed at 100 yards. I want to see where it hits at 200, then 300. If it is anywhere within one of the circles, I feel it might be harder to reproduce. The circles just feel like it's "sorta kinda" sighted in for anything over my zero.

Maybe it's cause I'm over 50.
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I voted for the Leupold but I really would use a 3X9X40 or 3.5X10X40 or 4X12X40 NON-AO duplex reticle.

The 2X7X40 will do fine but "I" prefer just a bit more power and a VX2 or VX3i for the better glass.
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To be more specific. I am zeroed at 100 yards. I want to see where it hits at 200, then 300. If it is anywhere within one of the circles, I feel it might be harder to reproduce. The circles just feel like it's "sorta kinda" sighted in for anything over my zero.

Maybe it's cause I'm over 50.
Makes sense. It's more of a fuzzy as opposed to a dot or something more defining.
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Looks like it's between the Burris and the Leupold. Mostly I want it for the range. Maybe Coyote with the .223 (and pig with .308). I'm not really a hunter but will retire to a place where I may have to pop off a critter here and there.

Would 3-9 be better than 2-7 for these critters? Or is it just personal preference?
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I think I'll go with the Leupold VX-1 2-7x33mm LR Duplex. Or possibly the 3-9 similar version.

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I run burris 3-9 on my tikka 223 with a dial.
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I think I'll go with the Leupold VX-1 2-7x33mm LR Duplex. Or possibly the 3-9 similar version.

Thanks for your help!
Get the 3x9. If you don't have an aversion to use search over on 24 hour campfire. I've seen Burris FF II's going for $125 all day long. I've got more scopes than guns so I can't justify buying any more.

Even your VX-1 can be found over there too.
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Ya, 3-9 seems best. I'll either get the Leupold or Burris depending on sales.
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Nikon has a few (23) new scopes coming out and surely 1 would be to your liking? I have older eye's myself and prefer as much magnification as I can get. That being said the PROSTAFF 3-9 BDC is a very nice scope for a reasonable price. I have used and taught guy's how to get the most out of their BDC reticle for the last 10 years. That includes my now 82 year old father in law who is deaf from being in an artilliary unit during the Korean war. He literally used to average about a deer per box of shells. Finally after hunting together for 2 season's in KS I couldn't take it any more and scoped his rifle. I taught him how the BDC reticle works and what distance each circle represented. Way harder teaching him then it sounds, believe me. The last 8 years he has not spent more then 1 roound per deer. It does work if you give it a chance. That being said I also know some guys just want zero to do with it and that is why nikon has other option's. Two that I wouuld suggest to you are the new M-Tactical 3-12 MOA reticle and the P-Tacitcal 2-7 MOA reticle. Just a thought if you want something new? Have you looked over Nikon's Spot On Ballistic Program to make sure you are getting the most out of the bDC scope you have now?
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This thread has got me to rethink my Nikon:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1432145

I was just a big dummy on how to use it. I think I'll keep the Nikon on my .223. As for the .308, I still want to replace the Nikko-Stirling Gameking that came with it. Maybe I should just get another Nikon?
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I wouldn't say a dummy if you just don't know how something works. Hopefully now you have a better idea and moving forward with a new Nikon for your .308 would be a great option. Obvviously what you want to use it for will make a difference on the best scope for your needs. I am a big fan of the 3-12 magnification option especially on a .308 where you might want to stretch it out.
Let me know what you think and I'll give you some option's that might work for your needs.
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Sounds interesting. What kind of 3-12 scopes would be good for the .308 Howa 1500?
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I’ve used and have Nikon bdc scopes and slowly moving away from them. I still like Nikon scopes a lot.
When you start getting out there as in 400, 500 + fades. it is much easier to dial and hold center then hold over and guessing where center of the circle is. Doable but I found out I like an actual point. Kind of like vortex or Burris have on those bdc, actual hash line .
Nikon has specific 308 retticle but it’s not for every bullet.
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Iíve used and have Nikon bdc scopes and slowly moving away from them. I still like Nikon scopes a lot.
When you start getting out there as in 400, 500 + fades. it is much easier to dial and hold center then hold over and guessing where center of the circle is. Doable but I found out I like an actual point. Kind of like vortex or Burris have on those bdc, actual hash line .
Nikon has specific 308 retticle but itís not for every bullet.
I get it and there are other's like yourself who wanted the same style of scope. That is why Nikon came out with the BLACk X1000 last year, a SFP, 30mm tube in MOA or MRAD for those hunter's who want to dial in their distances or use the reticle with Spot On as a BDC reticle. This year Nikon has come out with the BLACK FX1000 . This is a FFP reticle with a bunch of great feature's that hunter's and longrange shooter's will love not to mention the price. These scope's are currently on their way to dealer's right now. Nikon also came out with 2 new lines ( a busy year, 23 new riflescoopes), the M-Tactical and P-Tactical. The M-Tactical line has multiple MOA/MRAD option's, all 30mm tubes and includes the M-Tactical .308 which is still in the BDC 800 style. Some great new choice's for those of you wanting a great scope with all the feature's you need and still save some $. Drop me a note if you have other question's.
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Iíve used and have Nikon bdc scopes and slowly moving away from them. I still like Nikon scopes a lot.
When you start getting out there as in 400, 500 + fades. it is much easier to dial and hold center then hold over and guessing where center of the circle is. Doable but I found out I like an actual point. Kind of like vortex or Burris have on those bdc, actual hash line .
Nikon has specific 308 retticle but itís not for every bullet.
I donít use BDC scopes but Iíve never cared for the Nikon one because of the bubbles. Hash marks look much more precise to me and thatís the type Iíd have if I used a BDC reticle.
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That is why Nikon came out with so many new MOA/MRAD reticle option's this year. Now you can get a quality optic for a great price and more importantly get exactly what you want. Nikon's new line is definitely worth checking out. I do not do any sales for Nikon, I have been doing freelance PR/Shooting Event's with them for 8 years now. I'm just trying to pass along info that perhaps you were did not know about.
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