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Old 02-21-2011, 4:16 PM
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Default AB 809 (2011) Feuer - EFFECTIVE JAN 1 2014, register long guns

AB 809 passed. Read the text here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...chaptered.html

The effective date is Jan 1, 2014.

NO, you will not have to register long guns you already own.

YES, the DROS process will be changed so long gun information - make, model, serial number (if any) will be collected, and sent to CA-DOJ, and that information will be kept available.

YES, intrafamilial long gun transfers are affected - there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee when you transfer long guns among parent/child/grandchild.

YES, if you move here in 2014 and later, you must report long guns within 60 days of bringing them into the state; there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee.

YES, out of state C&R long gun purchases are affected; starting in 2014 a C&R licensee must report out of state long gun purchases. There will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee.

YES, in-state C&R long gun purchases are affected;
(1) Starting in 2014, long guns 50 years old and older must be transferred through an FFL; the exemption that is in the law now, that allows FTF of these, is repealed in 2014.
(2) Starting in 2014, a buyer who is a C&R licensee inside CA, with COE (Certificate of Eligibility), may buy guns without involving another FFL. The purchase must be reported; there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee.

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Every time I see one of these piece of crap proposed new laws, it makes we want to go buy another high powered something or another to calm me down.

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it makes we want to go buy another high powered something or another to calm me down.
Brilliant, definitely the thing to do. Just renewed my CG Membership this week too. Go get 'em.

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Every time I see one of these piece of crap proposed new laws, it makes we want to go buy another high powered something or another to calm me down.

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Thank you for both - and being both a board member of CGF as well as CRPA, may I suggest that if you are targeting legal activities your CRPA-targeted contribution is sent to "CRPA Foundation"??

Being a CRPA member helps too
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If long gun registration failed last year, how can they propose it again?
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If long gun registration failed last year, how can they propose it again?
Just like we propose pro-gun laws that may not have made it in a prior session.

However its failure last year - due to cost/overhead considerations - will likely carry over this year.

You can be sure this is a Brady/LCAV bill given it's Feuer - they absolutely want to paper every gun they can.

The good news: this costs a lot of money. And last time I checked we were broke, DOJ BoF is understaffed, and we have a very cheap-arsed governor.
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If long gun registration failed last year, how can they propose it again?
2011-2102 is a new legislative session. The sort-of-restriction is proposing substantially the same content in the SAME session.

So, a bill defeated in June 2011 cannot be re-introduced verbatim in Jan 2012, but it could be in Jan 2013, and a version of it could be reintroduced in Jan 2012 if the writer found a different avenue to theoretically accomplish the same goal as the defeated bill.
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2011-2102 is a new legislative session. The sort-of-restriction is proposing substantially the same contend in the SAME session.

So, a bill defeated in June 2011 cannot be re-introduced verbatim in Jan 2012, but it could be in Jan 2013, and a version of it could be reintroduced in Jan 2012 if the writer found a different avenue to theoretically accomplish the same goal as the defeated bill.
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... and we have a very cheap-arsed governor.
Interesting choice of words. You are not saying pro-gun governor (or what is gun-friendly?) any longer. Any insights for this change?
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This is not about crime control. This is pure gun control. I'll send some cash to CRPA Foundation ASAP.
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Interesting choice of words. You are not saying pro-gun governor (or what is gun-friendly?) any longer. Any insights for this change?
I wouldn't read to much into that. Put it this way if JB was a total anti he would find the funds to make this law. What Bill said was this would not be high on the governors list of potential laws that would be worth funding. Beyond that, do the math. AKA "cheap arse"
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Interesting choice of words. You are not saying pro-gun governor (or what is gun-friendly?) any longer. Any insights for this change?
It's not a change it's just yet another justification for doing something with a broad sweep.

A progun action done with cover of budgetary restraint is still a progun action.

A legislator who may not tout pro-gun sentiments but who puts in IP sole-source restrictions in the microstamping law has done something very pro-gun.

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Interesting choice of words. You are not saying pro-gun governor (or what is gun-friendly?) any longer. Any insights for this change?
You know, sometimes words are just words.
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Every time I see one of these piece of crap proposed new laws, it makes we want to go buy another high powered something or another to calm me down.

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The previous long gun registration attempts resulted in my purchase of a Mossberg and an AR-15-purchases that I have previously delayed for whatever reason.

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Received the article below via NRA-ILA and called my local PD with questions. The watch commander said he (personally) flat out opposes such an intrusion into privacy and agrees it would not be effective. The only people with registered weapons will be those who obey the law. Though a large department, they don't even enter handgun regs into their CAD system and there's no way they'll do it for long guns. This pretty much eliminates any claims for improved officer safety when responding to domestic violence or other calls.

If such a system were in place I think it would increase the danger to civilians. If PD responds to a home with the knowledge that the occupant is "armed" the likelihood of a tragic mistake is quite great.

Can someone point me to information that supports or debunks the claim that "1/3 of crime guns are long guns"?

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VAN NUYS - The Los Angeles City Council voted unanimously Friday to support a former colleague's proposed state law that would require records of purchases of shotguns, rifles and other "long guns" be preserved like handgun purchase records.
Under current law, the state is required to destroy records of long-gun purchases five days after the transaction.

Assembly Bill 809, introduced by Democratic Assemblyman and former Los Angeles City Councilman Mike Feuer, would treat the records the same as records for handguns, beginning in 2013.

The bill is in the early stages of the legislative process and scheduled for a hearing before the Assembly Public Safety Committee.
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CA doesn't break it out by handgun/long gun.

Feds (UCR, 2009) say Homicide victims: 6452 killed with handguns, 348 rifles, 418 shotguns.

Even FBI doesn't break down other crime stats by firearm type.
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Thanks! So 12% are long guns but only of homicides not the more general "crime guns" the city councilman is using. Perhaps the stats they claim are for LA only.
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Easily! They just "propose" it again. And again. And again. Until it passes.
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^^^ if it's ever seen as a law that helps instead of a law that will just waste government money that they don't have.
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AB 809 just passed the Assembly, so on to the Senate. No discussion on this bill as the Republicans had walked out of the Assembly a few bills prior to this, when a bill related to healthcare by Feuer came up and they couldn't stop it. (this is the official AB 809 thread, isn't it?)
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And the LA City Council is still certifiably insane. In other words, business as usual here in the PRK.
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Edit...ignore my post. This was 'AB' not 'SB' 809. The assembly was on the floor earlier today, so they must have already voted on it I guess.

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Brilliant, definitely the thing to do. Just renewed my CG Membership this week too. Go get 'em.

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Edit...ignore my post. This was 'AB' not 'SB' 809. The assembly was on the floor earlier today, so they must have already voted on it I guess.

Anyone know the outcome?

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Yeah, look up two posts from your last post...
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Yeah, look up two posts from your last post...
Wow, my bad! I hadn't been keeping that close of an eye on this the last few days, and saw something that it was going to be on the assembly floor soon.

Guess I'll go back to watching this one instead of failing to contribute.
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Would this mean my c&r license is essentially going to be useless?
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In the midst of a recession, the great minds in Sacramento keep thinking of new ways to blindly spend money. I wouldn't be surprised if this bill bankrupts California.
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I think it says DROS now will include long-gun info - amends 11106 - but long-gun info is still supposed to be destroyed after 5 days. Frankly, I don't quite follow Section 2 (amends 11106) and Section 2.5 (ADDS 11106)... MEGO (My Eyes Glaze Over).
Glad I'm not the only one... but if YOU can't understand it then who the hell can??? It does say that the DROS info for "not handguns" is destroyed after 5 days, but it gets real convoluted after that...

And this thing is written such that it is supposed to fund itself (pipe dream city, right there); it wasn't even going to go Appropriations... looks like the Public Safety committee thought that it should and has referred it there in the course of passing (5-1).
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AKA "cheap arse"
I have no problem with that.

If we had a few thousand more with that attitude, on both sides of the aisle, we wouldn't be in such deep doo-doo right now, as a state and as a nation.

It's the ones who throw out bundles of cash to every dim-bulb idea or open hand that comes along, that cause the fiscal crises. (Look at the handwringing right now in Washington).
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How does this affect C&R FFL holders if passed?
Don't know about C&R FFL but it will put an end to face-to-face transfers for C&R guns between ordinary civilians.
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Old 07-08-2011, 6:40 PM
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If it restricts the right of an honest citizen then oppose it and make sure your elected officials know it all the way up the line. Vote for this bill and guess who i vote against in the next election and then keep your word.
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Don't know about C&R FFL but it will put an end to face-to-face transfers for C&R guns between ordinary civilians.

... and those with a C&R license would no longer be able to mail order 50+ year old long guns from out of state vendors without using an FFL.
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2011-2102 is a new legislative session. The sort-of-restriction is proposing substantially the same content in the SAME session.

So, a bill defeated in June 2011 cannot be re-introduced verbatim in Jan 2012, but it could be in Jan 2013, and a version of it could be reintroduced in Jan 2012 if the writer found a different avenue to theoretically accomplish the same goal as the defeated bill.
Yeah I read some of it and it will commence (if approved) in Jan 2013. Right now I think its on its way to the fiscal committee for review?

Cant someone stop him from reintroducing the same stuff over and over again as non-cost effective? Such as, "hey bro, knock it off, its getting old'? Are they that hard headed? Wait, I know the answer to that one
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Would this mean that long guns that citizens currently own would have to be registered? Or is it for all new purchases?
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Would this mean that long guns that citizens currently own would have to be registered? Or is it for all new purchases?
Same question.
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My understanding is that this would apply to new purchases only.
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