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Old 06-30-2018, 4:23 PM
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Iím being offered a SKS. The seller claims itís a 1958 and Yugoslavian. Can anyone tell me a bit about this rifle from the pictures and give me an expected price range?
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Old 06-30-2018, 4:37 PM
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Numbers matching Kali compliant M59/66 $475 and up, if here in Kali. Good looking rifle from the photos. They likely won't be much cheaper in the future. PAX
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I've heard they are very well made. But I personally prefer Chinese or Russians with the chrome lined bores.
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Just sold one (matching numbers) with out any accessories for $550. Solid firearm, ate up surplus ammo with out issues. Definately a good buy if you can get a reasonable price. They aren't making any more, that's for sure.
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As I recall, the Yugoslavians began production of the SKS in 1959, and up to the mid-1960's they were pretty much identical to the Soviet pattern, other than the chrome lined bore, as Lightcav mentioned, until they went with the M59/66 with the grenade launcher.

The earlier M59 rifles are a lot harder to find, especially in good condition, and nice ones have a higher degree of value and collector interest.

Mint unissued 59/66 rifles are the most desirable.

I'd rate the one in the photos as a $450 to $500 rifle. Right now the market on SKS rifles is kind of soft, and for a little more you could get a nice Russian, or a Chinese for maybe a little less.

Of course, once Grabbin' Newscum becomes our next governor and the Democommies begin going insane with anti-gun legislation, the ensuing panic should drive the prices up some.

You want to check the gas system out for corrosion - I remember when the Yugo SKS rifles were first imported there were malfunction problems due to the corrosive ammo used in them damaging the valve for the grenade launcher, which is a potential trouble spot compared to a standard pattern SKS.
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So, which model is this one? Iím guessing that it canít be from 1958?


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It's a 59/66. Not from 1958, as the Yugo's weren't even producing this rifle then. Probably from the late 1960's era.


Some people think they are kind of cool looking with the grenade launcher setup (neutered for California, of course), others - including myself (and I am an SKS collector whose fondness for them goes back to the ones I remember people bringing home from Viet Nam) - find them much less attractive than the standard pattern SKS.
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Check bore first. They were not chrome-lined. Can be sewer pipes.

Definitely a 59/66 (stamped on bbl), which were all 1966 or later.

Looks refinished.

Looks very nice, but the bore is the great unknown on those.
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Personally, I find that the Sino Soviet’s are pretty decent. The Russians are nice too. I’m not a fan of the Yugo. But that’s personal preference. To each his own.

The price also depends on if it’s a numbers matching (including stock), it’s condition, and it’s availability/desirability.
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Where are all the serial numbers located?


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Yeah, it's kind of hard to tell from the photos, but I was thinking it looked a little like it had been lightly sanded and given some kind of semi-gloss "pimp snot" type finish. If it has, that's a major detractor that really hurts collectability and brings the value down quite a bit.
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What is the seller asking for this rifle?
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Here is what the guy says about the stock:
I restrained and varnished the stock it was raw and covered with oil.
What would that hurt the value?


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Weíre working out a trade. About $450 value


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^^^ great price. As long as the bore is not corroded and the trigger not bubbu’d
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Here is what the guy says about the stock:
I restrained and varnished the stock it was raw and covered with oil.
What would that hurt the value?


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Hard to say. Does not look like he mangled it. I would say $50 maybe. That muzzle brake is aftermarket, so you don't really have a collector's piece there.

You can always remove the varnish and go back to an oil finish. The seller did not ruin the stock by over-sanding.

I repeat, bore condition is the big variable on those. That should be your biggest concern.

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After the AW Ban in 2000 these Yugos were one of the most economical semi-auto center fire rifles in Calif. In 2001 I paid $179 for one as a reference point to current values.
The Yugos have a milled receiver which I'd prefer to a stamped one from China.
I bubba'd mine biggly. Never thought of it as a collector item, just a shooter. It will eat steel cased ammo all day without problems. Back when Wolf was 10 cents a round I'd dump 100 rounds at steel every range trip just because it was cheap. The 123 g 7.62 bullet definitely put a bigger womp on a steel plate vs a 55 g 5.56.
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I restrained and varnished the stock it was raw and covered with oil.
What would that hurt the value?


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For someone who is just a shooter, or the kind of person who likes that kind of thing and would do it to old military rifles themselves, it probably isn't a detractor.

To a collector, it either knocks about $50 off the value, or makes the rifle totally undesirable and only fit for re-selling or trading for something worthwhile if it could be picked up real, real, cheap......I subscribe to the second set of beliefs.

At $450 you won't lose on this rifle, but it will be a lot harder to sell than an un-dicked with example, and that is the top of the value range for it.

I guess it depends on what you want it for. As stated above, check bore condition. If the stock was allegedly crapped out, it makes me wonder about the bore. Check the gas valve - when these are corroded, the rifles often misfunction and have failures to feed and/or eject.

I could never be happy with a military rifle with a non-arsenal refinished stock, but it might be a somewhat acceptable place filler until a better one came along, or I could flip it to help fund something else.
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After the AW Ban in 2000 these Yugos were one of the most economical semi-auto center fire rifles in Calif. In 2001 I paid $179 for one as a reference point to current values.
The Yugos have a milled receiver which I'd prefer to a stamped one from China.
I bubba'd mine biggly. Never thought of it as a collector item, just a shooter. It will eat steel cased ammo all day without problems. Back when Wolf was 10 cents a round I'd dump 100 rounds at steel every range trip just because it was cheap. The 123 g 7.62 bullet definitely put a bigger womp on a steel plate vs a 55 g 5.56.

All SKS rifles have milled receivers except a very, very, very few - very, very, very rare - and very, very, very sought after ones from China.
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Just as an example: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348972

Russian refurb in laminated stock. Seller is a well known, long time, and respected member of the shooting & collecting community, so there should be no unpleasant surprises with this rifle.

Price is kind of at the high end of the scale for these "Soviet black paint refurb" rifles right now, but he's open to offers and I don't think it will be going anywhere fast at that price. Maybe work for $650 shipped?



Here's another one: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showth...93#post4618993

Again, seller is an A+ stand-up guy.



I remember when any decent Russian SKS in original Russian issue condition and configuration was going for a lot more, and I bet that once our next governor Grabbin' Newscum and his neo-Bolshevik criminal clown show up in Sacramento kick their anti-Constitution crime wave into high gear, any good original military production semi-auto is going to rise in value, demand, and scarcity.
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Generally speaking, I prefer the Eastern European rifles over the Chinese, but I do like the early Sino-Soviet versions and I am a big fan of the Russian SKS's. As for the one pictured in the original post, I would buy it if it was more in the neighborhood of $350 rather than $450. The stock finish could be dealt with using some stripper and BLO and you would hardly be able to tell the difference between it and one that was original. At least it hasn't had the bayonet mount cut off and set of Crapco furniture installed.

The Yugo 59/66 I have is a solid shooter and accuracy seems to be on a par with my Russians. The grenade launcher does make it rather muzzle heavy, but since the one you are looking at has been neutered for sale in Commiefornia, it might balance better than one that hasn't been modified.
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My personal preference is a Norinco. They're a lot lighter and handier than the Yugos and also have a chrome lined bore, which is nice because I still shoot the corrosive brass case Yugo surplus. I find that it's easier to pack for a range trip and I don't have to be as meticulous with upkeep. The Type 56 SKS is definitely heavier, but good rifles too. Hard to find one that hasn't been too beat up though.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with a Yugo SKS. It's a solid rifle. The rifle in OP's post looks like it would make a nice shooter. I think that $350 would be a very good buy, $400 would be a fair price, and $450 is too much unless there's a bunch of ammo being thrown in.
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I ended up trading for the rifle today. It has a beautiful bore, matching numbers, and has been well cared for.
Iíll see it again on the 11th!


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Surplus yugo ammo is corrosive, keep that in mind.
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Even though the stock is refinished, it looks like a great rifle. The replacement muzzle brake is there because the grenade launcher attachment was declared a destructive device in Kalifornia, which is odd because the actual grenades are already banned and non existent.
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Even though the stock is refinished, it looks like a great rifle. The replacement muzzle brake is there because the grenade launcher attachment was declared a destructive device in Kalifornia, which is odd because the actual grenades are already banned and non existent.
And when Gavin wins, he will be banning the shoulder thing that goes up. Not to mention all fully-semi-automatic guns that shoot 30 magazines per second.
Most California gun laws don't make any sense.
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You were smart to get it. I have a mint condition one of those that's never been fired. I'm rat holeing it in case something crazy ever happens
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Yep, Iím pretty stoked to go pick it up. I canít wait to take it apart and inspect it.



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You done more or less OK for your onliest SKS. Could have done better on the price, but if it was a trade no biggee.....but down the rabbit hole you go. As you will soon see, SKSs can self replicate. When I first got into them, I let my M59/66 go, because it was front heavy, but got double what I had into it. A decade later it cost twice what I had previously made to replace it . What ever you do, don't shoot a Paratrooper. Once you handle the short girls, you'll never go back. PAX
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Well done OP!
Don’t fret on the price - my thoughts on SKS rifles have been: “Name the other new condition, CA friendly, semi-auto, milled steel and wood rifle for less than $500....?”
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What non-corrosive ammo would you guys recommend for the SKS to 1) punch paper and 2) plink?
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I always chuckle when people ask ammo recommendations for a gun which is designed to function with low quality eastern bloc ammo.
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Picked up the SKS a few days ago. I shot a couple of boxes of Wolf through it today. It worked flawlessly. Iím in the process of breaking the gun completely down now, from what I can tell it is in very clean shape. The PO did a good job cleaning the cosmoline off and keeping the gun pretty clean.


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even at $450 it's still a lot better deal than a Ruger /mini 14 or mini 30

the only thing I dont like is the neutered aftermarket muzzle brake, I like them to be original and historically correct, the rifle is not the same as the one the Yugo military would have used, it's been altered.
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Iím happy with it. Iíve had miniís in the past... this one shoots on par with miniís at 100 yards. Not a target rifle, but surprising accurate.
Iíll punch some holes from a rest at 50 yards next time at the range and post.


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As correctly stated above, it is a 59/66. It is probably a mid 60’s - late 70’s era rifle. The earlier PAP 59 is less common and fetches more dough.

The 59/66 is a neat SKS variant though and worth having. The one you posted appears to have a brake rather than the GL. That is good as it makes it CA legal. The 59/66 is longer and heavier than a standard SKS. It is a remarkably soft shooter. The GL sights and gas valve are cool, if not serving much purpose. Remove and clean the gas valve occasionally and it will run like a top. Closing the valve makes the weapon function like a bolt gun. Potentially useful when teaching a new shooter or stretching out your ammo supply at the range.

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