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I know many will say just move our of California and give up but this is my home. I have family here and I choose to stand and fight.

So Whats your line in the Sand?
My grandfather came to California in 1913. I've lived here all my life except for a few years in the Navy. My children were born here. I love the cool Mediterranean climate.

As much as I hate the politics, I can't see myself ever leaving.
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Apparently, your training in the Corps didn't cover the U.S. Constitution.
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As I am reading through all of the posts in this thread it has became all to clear that a large percentage of you have already given up. I understand and even agree that for many its just too much trouble to stay and fight, but for me and many others that solves nothing in the big picture.
I would venture to say that moving away may fix your problems in the short run. But not all the folks leaving California are leaving because of there 2a rights. most are leaving because of many other reasons such as Sanctuary Cities & high Taxes, over crowding , failed schools & high poverty rates. Those folks that are moving to your now free states will bring there anti 2a beliefs with them and already are. Not a day hardly goes by when I read of bad gun laws and restrictions in most all of the other so call free states.
So my point is there will come a time when all of us will have to decide over and over again what our line in the sand really is.

As to all of you who have or are going to leave I wish you well but the fight will eventually find you again. Good Luck

I hear this from time to time in my discussions of Californias laws and the mass exodus.
I dont really agree with it to be honest..

I have a home in Az, Family in Texas Idaho and Montana and not mentioning two close friends I served with in South Dakota and Wyoming.
I am in these states once a year is basically what Im saying.
So the great thing is these states gun laws are changing.
FOR THE BETTER.
It is not true that Californias gun laws are spreading. Oregon has fallen years ago, it doesn't count!

It seems that this is said alot to promote staying and fighting. I respect those who wish to stay and fight, and I am not judging who is a patriot more than anyone else but I have to ask, Has there ever been a California gun law that was passed out of liberal emotion that was overturned?

I have young children and I refuse to explain to them why I risked my life for my country to live in a place that does not follow our constitution.
I will not live looking at the window to see when the liberal contingent of tolerance is going to show and decide what Im allowed to own.
But again, Im not from here. I dont like the people for the most part and I dislike the politics and lifestyle.


I also have to take into consideration that Im probably deeper in the gun game than some of the people in this thread.
Its easy to say that you would not leave the state over something as trivial as firearms when you dont have a large part of your retirement wrapped into collectible weapons, trusts, and a gunstore.

They will take your weapons eventually, you know, I know it, we all do. Might not be this year, or next but its coming. Every new unconstitutional law is a step closer. They used to say these laws were needed and they are gun owners as well.
But now the politics are so polarized they dont even pander the the dumb gun owners any more, they know they can tell you what you get to own, and you will agree so why even compromise?
Subjects dont need compromise, they just need to be told what to do, what to pay and they do it.
And if you dont think thats whats been happening in california then you aren't looking.
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I registered a single "assault" weapon and left a bunch unregistered in 2001 and had no regrets...used them a lot and was never questioned about registered or now. I ignored a letter re: a couple of sks rifles...no return-receipt-requested so afaic I never got the letter...nothing happened. IMO registration is simply your California legislators making "a list and checking it twice" for confiscation at a later time.
Right up until that moment you get t-boned by a drunk driver on the way to the range with one or more of those guns in the trunk. CHP inventories your car after you are taken to the hospital, finds the unregistered "assault weapons" and you've won a free felony criminal indictment.

"Not registering" is great...as long as nothing ever leaves the blackness of the gun safe. It's a little more problematic if you actually shoot them.
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i draw the line at laws that declare what i owned legally yesterday is now declared illegal today no matter when i owned or purchased it. when someone takes away the "grandfather" clause they are in effect gutting the second amendment in regards to all property especially self defense weapons. "retroactive" laws are the first step of dictatorship when "grandfathering" is eliminated and the new laws make it impossible to comply with the new conditions and cost the citizen time and money. Just like Eminent Domain laws these laws must be opposed to protect the right of individuals over a dictatorial majority.
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This line in the sand was crossed a long time ago.

If you aren't there yet, you are not 'woke'.

For people calling California a 'lost cause', you should understand that the state constitution says that we are an inseparable part of the United States. The Bill of Rights is the governing law of the land, and to date, the second amendment is as valid here as it is everywhere else. Rebellion is alive...just not hot.
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Not enough people are willing to fight for, or for that matter really want freedom. As the political climate stands it seems to me that most people want a different forms of despotism.

My line in the sand is individual freedom. I am not willing to fight for a different brand of despotism.
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Rm1911, although you disagree with my position, you are exactly where I am:



“I’ve been trying to convince the immediate family to move”



If it was only guns then it would quite correct to say a move was selfish. But forget guns for a moment. Let’s talk economics.

Kalifornia has the highest rate of poverty in the nation, driven by highest in the nation cost of living. Especially housing. We have the second lowest home ownership rate, 53%, slightly ahead of New York. And kalifornia has the highest rate of home burdened families. Home ownership is out of the reach of millions.

We have the highest taxes in the nation. It eats away at everything. We have a less than majority middle class. The state has the greater income inequality.

If you compare wages across the nation, they’re not much lower outside of the state. Job growth is basically low wage or high end. The middle class job sector is shrinking.

Wanna read something interesting? Go to the office of plank and research. Look into the CEQA implementation and policy papers. It’s all about reducing VMT (vehicle miles traveled). The plans include even higher driving costs and reductions in highways. Building designs are focused on infill. Basically the state is trying to condense is as much as possible into large cities. Our freeways are a disaster by design.

We are ruled not governed. The radical environmental agenda is to decimate living standards and force us into large metropolises. Building bike paths has priority over roads.

We don’t build dams and watersheds. By design.

I could go on. But all lead to a terribly diminished standard of living and far less opportunity at a good life. And that’s what they’re planning for my children.

If I all that was reversed, if this state was an economic juggernaut of high standards of living and affordable housing, well, that requires economic liberty and that’s a non starter. And liberty means liberty. Guns are just a part of being ruled and controlled. Liberty covers many areas. Not just guns.

Funny thing, real per capita income is higher in Kansas and Nebraska than here. They have very high home ownership rates. Those are just two examples. Standards of living are higher there than here. Except they don’t have the beaches and saltwater fishing. And it gets cold. And tornadoes. Such is the price of freedom I guess.

Guns wouldn’t be an issue if economically wasn’t so bad because the climate for economic growth entail liberty. I want my kids to have a chance. Guns are the selfish part. But I could sacrifice that for opportunity for my kids. They have no hope here. If I was rich and could afford to live here and have land in a free state, I might. But I’m not and I don’t.
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If it was only guns then it would quite correct to say a move was selfish. But forget guns for a moment. Let’s talk economics.

Kalifornia has the highest rate of poverty in the nation, driven by highest in the nation cost of living. Especially housing. We have the second lowest home ownership rate, 53%, slightly ahead of New York. And kalifornia has the highest rate of home burdened families. Home ownership is out of the reach of millions.

We have the highest taxes in the nation. It eats away at everything. We have a less than majority middle class. The state has the greater income inequality.

If you compare wages across the nation, they’re not much lower outside of the state. Job growth is basically low wage or high end. The middle class job sector is shrinking.

Wanna read something interesting? Go to the office of plank and research. Look into the CEQA implementation and policy papers. It’s all about reducing VMT (vehicle miles traveled). The plans include even higher driving costs and reductions in highways. Building designs are focused on infill. Basically the state is trying to condense is as much as possible into large cities. Our freeways are a disaster by design.

We are ruled not governed. The radical environmental agenda is to decimate living standards and force us into large metropolises. Building bike paths has priority over roads.

We don’t build dams and watersheds. By design.

I could go on. But all lead to a terribly diminished standard of living and far less opportunity at a good life. And that’s what they’re planning for my children.

If I all that was reversed, if this state was an economic juggernaut of high standards of living and affordable housing, well, that requires economic liberty and that’s a non starter. And liberty means liberty. Guns are just a part of being ruled and controlled. Liberty covers many areas. Not just guns.

Funny thing, real per capita income is higher in Kansas and Nebraska than here. They have very high home ownership rates. Those are just two examples. Standards of living are higher there than here. Except they don’t have the beaches and saltwater fishing. And it gets cold. And tornadoes. Such is the price of freedom I guess.

Guns wouldn’t be an issue if economically wasn’t so bad because the climate for economic growth entail liberty. I want my kids to have a chance. Guns are the selfish part. But I could sacrifice that for opportunity for my kids. They have no hope here. If I was rich and could afford to live here and have land in a free state, I might. But I’m not and I don’t.


Nailed it. Pretty much the same feelings I had.
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If it was only guns then it would quite correct to say a move was selfish. But forget guns for a moment. Let’s talk economics

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I thought this thread was only about guns. As in: how much more gun regulations would you take before deciding that enough is enough and taking a drastic action, such as leaving your job, selling your house, saying goodbye to your friends and family, and getting out of california; or digging in and preparing for a gunfight against anyone who comes to take your guns.

If you’re going to consider economics and other factors, then my line in the sand would be when I loose my job and find better opportunities outside california.
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If it was only guns then it would quite correct to say a move was selfish. But forget guns for a moment. Let’s talk economics.

Kalifornia has the highest rate of poverty in the nation, driven by highest in the nation cost of living. Especially housing. We have the second lowest home ownership rate, 53%, slightly ahead of New York. And kalifornia has the highest rate of home burdened families. Home ownership is out of the reach of millions.

We have the highest taxes in the nation. It eats away at everything. We have a less than majority middle class. The state has the greater income inequality.

If you compare wages across the nation, they’re not much lower outside of the state. Job growth is basically low wage or high end. The middle class job sector is shrinking.

Wanna read something interesting? Go to the office of plank and research. Look into the CEQA implementation and policy papers. It’s all about reducing VMT (vehicle miles traveled). The plans include even higher driving costs and reductions in highways. Building designs are focused on infill. Basically the state is trying to condense is as much as possible into large cities. Our freeways are a disaster by design.

We are ruled not governed. The radical environmental agenda is to decimate living standards and force us into large metropolises. Building bike paths has priority over roads.

We don’t build dams and watersheds. By design.

I could go on. But all lead to a terribly diminished standard of living and far less opportunity at a good life. And that’s what they’re planning for my children.

If I all that was reversed, if this state was an economic juggernaut of high standards of living and affordable housing, well, that requires economic liberty and that’s a non starter. And liberty means liberty. Guns are just a part of being ruled and controlled. Liberty covers many areas. Not just guns.

Funny thing, real per capita income is higher in Kansas and Nebraska than here. They have very high home ownership rates. Those are just two examples. Standards of living are higher there than here. Except they don’t have the beaches and saltwater fishing. And it gets cold. And tornadoes. Such is the price of freedom I guess.

Guns wouldn’t be an issue if economically wasn’t so bad because the climate for economic growth entail liberty. I want my kids to have a chance. Guns are the selfish part. But I could sacrifice that for opportunity for my kids. They have no hope here. If I was rich and could afford to live here and have land in a free state, I might. But I’m not and I don’t.
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There's a lot more than guns. The crazy gas taxes, car registration, lack of funding for our school's. What happens with all the lotto money meant for schools. When I went to HS, I played golf everyday, the whole school year at our home course, I never paid a dime.

I have a son in HS and a daughter in her first year of community college. They both nickel and dime us to death. North, south, east or west, your in California your screwed. This line was crossed when they jacked up car registration again.
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My moment wasn't really a line in the sand, as much as it was the straw that broke the camels back.
But it happened when I was told grocery bags no longer came with your groceries.

I learned that the citizens voted for this. There is no hope for this state.

It has taken me longer than I wanted to get out of here, but I'm hoping in the next three months. Almost done with house repairs.
Same for me. Planning on late summer to be out of here for good. Ca is broken and can’t be fixed. It will be just like Mexico in a few years.
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In many ways I feel like it has been crossed many times born and raised and living in San Francisco. 3rd generation, but still blue collar and sane. The last straw for me is when the city I love losses its soul, which it has in terms of who lives here. It's the ultimate hypocrisy of the politics here that working people can't afford to live in it anymore, and the cultural / political persecution and groupthink is out of control.

I blame the "high tech" or internet industries, as they are stocked with neo-liberal corporatism types who have money, are not afraid of persecuting people for what they believe, and love the fact that they are gradually weeding out all the old Liberals and hippies who were at least open minded on some level.

Psychopathic, rich, anti-gun, complete elite neo-liberals who decry the constitution and the bill of rights while creating robots to harass homeless people. That's SF 2018. Don't believe me? Google it.

3/4 of the city seems like it's from somewhere else. Slowly turning into a hell for me. Gave up even the concept of raising a family here long ago.
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There's a lot more than guns. The crazy gas taxes, car registration, lack of funding for our school's. What happens with all the lotto money meant for schools. When I went to HS, I played golf everyday, the whole school year at our home course, I never paid a dime.

I have a son in HS and a daughter in her first year of community college. They both nickel and dime us to death. North, south, east or west, your in California your screwed. This line was crossed when they jacked up car registration again.

Yes, that was infuriating. It would be one thing if they actually _used_ it to maintain the roads, but the SOB’s pour it into their coffers. Brown is estimating more than a $6 Billion surplus this year alone, mostly because of that.

The roads here destroy my alignment regularly they’re so bad, but by God we have free medical care for illegals.

I don’t want to be the guy who turns a sick child away from the ER, no matter where they come from, but Brown doesn’t want to restrict the flow of new Democratic voters into the state at all.

There’s even Democratic proposals to extend full Medi-Cal benefits to illegals now that they’re newly flush with our cash! Our local County hospital runs a $30 million deficit yearly, just because of treating patients here in the country illegally who go to the ER for everything.

I had a heart arrhythmia issue a couple of years ago at the same hospital, nothing major, but spent ONE night from 5 pm until 8 am in the hospital for observation only, and got a bill for $21,000. $1400 per hour! I didn’t even speak to a Doctor, just nurses and aides. Had I been there a full 24 hours it would have been twice as much. Meanwhile folks who aren’t citizens with no insurance are covered in full, but I’m still getting regular phone calls from the Hospital to keep up with my payments.

Bull$&@t is all I can say. Something is seriously out of whack.
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Some very well stated responses as to why this State has become unlivable for some of us, and how it will continue to get worse.
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I ... left a bunch unregistered in 2001 and had no regrets...used them a lot and was never questioned about registered or now.
I probably wouldn't shout out about it on a public forum.
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My line in the sand was the banning of CCW permit holders to carry on school campuses. I'm an AZ resident now and am finishing up a contract in CA. Gone permanently in Sep/Oct.
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My line in the sand was the banning of CCW permit holders to carry on school campuses. I'm an AZ resident now and am finishing up a contract in CA. Gone permanently in Sep/Oct.
Leaving is not 'drawing a line in the sand'. It is literally the opposite. Leaving is capitulation... not making a stand. Just so we are completely clear.
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My fault. I keep redrawing it. The new tax code my do it. Still figuring it all out.
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If it was only guns then it would quite correct to say a move was selfish. But forget guns for a moment. Let’s talk economics.

Kalifornia has the highest rate of poverty in the nation, driven by highest in the nation cost of living. Especially housing. We have the second lowest home ownership rate, 53%, slightly ahead of New York. And kalifornia has the highest rate of home burdened families. Home ownership is out of the reach of millions.

We have the highest taxes in the nation. It eats away at everything. We have a less than majority middle class. The state has the greater income inequality.

If you compare wages across the nation, they’re not much lower outside of the state. Job growth is basically low wage or high end. The middle class job sector is shrinking.

Wanna read something interesting? Go to the office of plank and research. Look into the CEQA implementation and policy papers. It’s all about reducing VMT (vehicle miles traveled). The plans include even higher driving costs and reductions in highways. Building designs are focused on infill. Basically the state is trying to condense is as much as possible into large cities. Our freeways are a disaster by design.

We are ruled not governed. The radical environmental agenda is to decimate living standards and force us into large metropolises. Building bike paths has priority over roads.

We don’t build dams and watersheds. By design.

I could go on. But all lead to a terribly diminished standard of living and far less opportunity at a good life. And that’s what they’re planning for my children.

If I all that was reversed, if this state was an economic juggernaut of high standards of living and affordable housing, well, that requires economic liberty and that’s a non starter. And liberty means liberty. Guns are just a part of being ruled and controlled. Liberty covers many areas. Not just guns.

Funny thing, real per capita income is higher in Kansas and Nebraska than here. They have very high home ownership rates. Those are just two examples. Standards of living are higher there than here. Except they don’t have the beaches and saltwater fishing. And it gets cold. And tornadoes. Such is the price of freedom I guess.

Guns wouldn’t be an issue if economically wasn’t so bad because the climate for economic growth entail liberty. I want my kids to have a chance. Guns are the selfish part. But I could sacrifice that for opportunity for my kids. They have no hope here. If I was rich and could afford to live here and have land in a free state, I might. But I’m not and I don’t.
All true. Sedona is looking better and better. I know it’s only full of old people like me. I guess that makes me an ageist.
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I probably wouldn't shout out about it on a public forum.
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Leaving is not 'drawing a line in the sand'. It is literally the opposite. Leaving is capitulation... not making a stand. Just so we are completely clear.
And just so we're completely clear, you do not make a stand if the issue is a better way of life overall for the family. You just do what's best for all concerned. That said, doing what's best for the 2nd Amendment in California results in a whirlpool. The gun rights you've had in California 30 years ago drop into that vortex little by little.

You capitulate if you stay in California and just let it happen, as it has happened and is happening. Leaving is simply jumping over the line in the sand.

Those who refuse to study history tend to repeat it.
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Leaving is not 'drawing a line in the sand'. It is literally the opposite. Leaving is capitulation... not making a stand. Just so we are completely clear.
Hows that fight working out for you?

No thanks. The Dems LOVE people like you. Hell your the one paying for this.

What a interesting comment. If you have cancer and decide to cut it out, your a quitter! You should keep it and fight.

My God the california nanny mentality is downright scary.
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I gave up. Although giving up for me, meant I'm living in a much better place for my family, a much better place for my children to grow up, better rights, better gun laws, Four Seasons, and everything I was missing on the coast. The only thing I don't have here is an ocean and honestly I never went to begin with so doesn't really matter.
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Leaving is not 'drawing a line in the sand'. It is literally the opposite. Leaving is capitulation... not making a stand. Just so we are completely clear.
Willing to compromise and call it retreat.

It certainly isn't courageous or honorable. It is just simple self interest.

No reason to be proud of it, in any case.

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No, not cutting it out; maybe hospice or euthanasia would be "quitting". Literally only armed resistance would be the closest thing to "cutting it out".
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Hows that fight working out for you?

No thanks. The Dems LOVE people like you. Hell your the one paying for this.

What a interesting comment. If you have cancer and decide to cut it out, your a quitter! You should keep it and fight.

My God the california nanny mentality is downright scary.
G&G, it's a combination of more than a few elements:

Frog in teapot.

Stockholm Syndrome.

The BS about "I just can't leave because of the weather". And how's that working for California now?

Whatever the state tells me to do, I'll bend over and tcb.

It's completely mindless, but our family definitely benefited from Asian money when we sold a house on the coast. We'll sell the last one there in a year or 2.

We had a crowd of more than a thousand folks on the Idaho capitol steps last spring to urge the legislature to pass constitutional carry, and it worked. This year we plan the same type of action to extend constitutional carry to those visiting the state, instead of just residents. You can bet more than half the legislators and staff ccw at work.
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Whatever the state tells me to do, I'll bend over and tcb.
Retreat is not much different from bending over. It is a personal choice.

Berating others and being holier than thou (in either direction) is just being childish.

Especially the internet tough guy posturing.
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Retreat is not much different from bending over. It is a personal choice.

Berating others and being holier than thou (in either direction) is just being childish.

Especially the internet tough guy posturing.


So for a person like me who moves here, decides he doesn't like it and moves away Im retreating?

This state is not where I want to be, and if you decide to name call anyone who wants to be American and not live under a socialist liberal utopia that values illegals over its own countrymen is capitulation then I really have nothing to say.

I think its HILARIOUS those of you brainwashed people who think you are fighting.
You are doing NOTHING.
Name one thing Cali has given back to gun rights. You cant.

Standing around in a boxing match and getting punched in the face repeatedly without landing a single blow back is not fighting.
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Standing around in a boxing match and getting punched in the face repeatedly without landing a single blow back is not fighting.
Retreating is definitively not fighting.
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Retreating is definitively not fighting.
And paying people to routinely abuse you is a mental illness.
Which Im finding is pretty prevalent in the mentality that people think they are doing something.

But hey, Im waiting let me know the last legislative battle you had against the current draconian laws you won.
Or hell, dont tell us the last time you won against the state laws, how about you tell us the last time the state let you actually fight for your constitutional rights.
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Retreating is definitively not fighting.
Retreating is the logical response to the realization that the fight you're in is one that you can't win.

We've been predicting for some time that this is a fight that we can't win in this state. Now people are finally actually realizing that and are responding in the most logical way to it.

What more do you want?
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Leaving is not 'drawing a line in the sand'. It is literally the opposite. Leaving is capitulation... not making a stand. Just so we are completely clear.
I had my eyes opened to what was going on in this state in reference to the removal of gun/civil rights in 2009. The list of stripped civil rights since then would take up all the space on the Calguns server. So don't preach to me that "leaving" is not taking a stand. There is no "stand" to take with this state. There is no "winning" with the liberals, progressives, socialists, and communists that reside here.

If you value your civil rights, you will leave this ****ed up ****hole state. End of story. Am I clear? And read the OP's post, his line in the sand was crossed and he is leaving. You and ****ing Mayor McGoof need to get together and rub on each other since the both you seem to think you can win some battle with the powers in Sacramento. Let me know how that works out for you. I'll be in the state next door with my suppressed SBR.
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What more do you want?
I suppose I want less of the hilarious internet warrior "I'm tougher than you" inanity, no matter how amusing it is.
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Leaving is not 'drawing a line in the sand'. It is literally the opposite. Leaving is capitulation... not making a stand. Just so we are completely clear.

It’s not leaving. It’s fleeing. Until I am in a feee state I will consider myself a subject and when I am in a free state will call myself a kalifornia refugee. Those who seek freedom aren’t leaving.

Making a stand?? Hah, keep telling yourself that. The tyrants love it when you put up a fight. It gives them legitimacy. It just reinforces “your voice is heard” etc. Makes it look like we’re some democratic state. It’s a facade and they know it. Your participation in the process is nothing more than consent, you’re simply saying I consent to this and will accept the outcome. You are only making it worse because “fighting” just proves that what they’re doing is acceptable.

Withdraw consent. They will do as they please anyways. No longer consent to their system of rule. Deny them the ability to legitimize their rule. They will rule either way. Then leave when you can. If you choose to stay you are choosing servitude.
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And read the OP's post, his line in the sand was crossed and he is leaving.
Why dont you read it? Because it appears that he is just in another area of California, not another state.

Enjoy your easy liberty while you are stroking your suppressor- (and avoid any sacrifice in gun politics as you mock those who cant or wont leave.)
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Why dont you read it? Because it appears that he is just in another area of California, not another state.



Enjoy your easy liberty while you are stroking your suppressor- (and avoid any sacrifice in gun politics as you mock those who cant or wont leave.)


You are right, I was thinking of G &G’s post. And i’m already stroking my SBR. Still waiting on tax stamp for my suppressor. I’m only temporarily here. I was smart enough to see the writing on the wall. Like the Red Baron said , “Never get into a fight you can’t win.”


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I’ll stir things up and say I don’t have a line in the sand.

As much as I dislike CA gun laws and think they’re unfair, unconstitutional, un-everything; for me guns, shooting, reloading is a hobby that I enjoy very much. I’m not going to risk becoming a criminal, or uproot my family, life, and job from California because of a hobby.
2'nd Amendment is not a hobby.

Technically, we are not traditional democracy either. Majority should not remove Constitutional rights from minority.
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I’ll stir things up and say I don’t have a line in the sand.

As much as I dislike CA gun laws and think they’re unfair, unconstitutional, un-everything; for me guns, shooting, reloading is a hobby that I enjoy very much. I’m not going to risk becoming a criminal, or uproot my family, life, and job from California because of a hobby.
Do you believe you have the right to your life? If so, how exactly do you expect to assert that right?
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