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http://www.lacourt.org/division/jury/JR0082.aspx

From the Superior Court of California County of Los Angeles Webpage:

How do I request an investigation?

Any private citizen, government employee, or officer may submit a completed complaint form to request that the Civil Grand Jury conduct an investigation. A Citizen Complaint form is completed to request a Civil Grand Jury investigation. You may complete the form online; however it cannot be electronically submitted at this time.

Communications from the public can provide valuable information to the Civil Grand Jury. If the Civil Grand Jury determines that a matter drawn to its attention is within the legally permissible scope of its investigative powers and would warrant further inquiry, the Civil Grand Jury may request additional information. If a matter does not fall within the Civil Grand Jury's investigative authority, or the Civil Grand Jury determines not to further investigate a complaint, no action will be taken and there will be no further contact by the Civil Grand Jury.

The Grand Jury has no jurisdiction or authority to investigate federal agencies, state agencies, or the courts. The jurisdiction of the Civil Grand Jury is limited by statute and includes the following:

Inquiry into all public offenses committed or triable within the county and presenting them to the court by indictment

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Investigation and report on the operations, accounts, and records of the officers, departments, or functions of the county including those operations, accounts, and records of any special legislative district or other district in the county pursuant to state law for which the officers of the county are serving in their ex officio capacity as officers of the districts May investigate the books and records of any incorporated city or joint powers agency located in the county.
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Almost three years later, my LASD denial letter arrived. -__-
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Oct 2017- Curious where we're at in this timeline these days gang. Anyone know what the current likelihood of getting a CCW in LA is?
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Honestly, I’m sad to say that until and unless SCOTUS (the U.S. Supreme Court) rules on things, we’re probably screwed. And they don’t seem to be in any particular hurry.


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The results of the CA state audit of Sac, LA and SD county sheriffs' CCW policy & practices was released today and is being discussed at:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post21027724
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http://www.lacourt.org/division/jury/JR0082.aspx

From the Superior Court of California County of Los Angeles Webpage:

How do I request an investigation?

Any private citizen, government employee, or officer may submit a completed complaint form to request that the Civil Grand Jury conduct an investigation. A Citizen Complaint form is completed to request a Civil Grand Jury investigation. You may complete the form online; however it cannot be electronically submitted at this time.

Communications from the public can provide valuable information to the Civil Grand Jury. If the Civil Grand Jury determines that a matter drawn to its attention is within the legally permissible scope of its investigative powers and would warrant further inquiry, the Civil Grand Jury may request additional information. If a matter does not fall within the Civil Grand Jury's investigative authority, or the Civil Grand Jury determines not to further investigate a complaint, no action will be taken and there will be no further contact by the Civil Grand Jury.

The Grand Jury has no jurisdiction or authority to investigate federal agencies, state agencies, or the courts. The jurisdiction of the Civil Grand Jury is limited by statute and includes the following:

Inquiry into all public offenses committed or triable within the county and presenting them to the court by indictment

Consideration of evidence of misconduct against public officials to determine whether to present formal accusations requesting their removal from office
Inquiry into the condition and management of public prisons with in the county

Investigation and report on the operations, accounts, and records of the officers, departments, or functions of the county including those operations, accounts, and records of any special legislative district or other district in the county pursuant to state law for which the officers of the county are serving in their ex officio capacity as officers of the districts May investigate the books and records of any incorporated city or joint powers agency located in the county.
The California State Auditor found PLENTY of corruption in the LASD's handing of CCW applicants. For one thing, they've been illegally adding 3 separate charges not allowed by state law. Second, in 24 out of 25 applications reviewed, they did not follow their own Good Cause standard. IIRC, the Auditor gave them 60 days to show they've stopped the illegal charges and until March to either get their practices in line with their stated GC policy or change their stated GC policy (on their website), to conform with their actual practices.

I think a Grand Jury would be very interested in what the Auditor uncovered. Just share it with them and let them take it from there!

For info on the state audit of Sac, LA and SD counties CCW practices, see post #125 and following (esp #137, 139 and 140) at:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1319779&page=4

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okay guys just thinking out loud here, since you need a "good cause" to have ccw in los angeles...anyone happen to know if you wrote that you're a trans-person who's life is threatened by transphobia; would the LA sheriff approve that since charlie beck is a leftist himself?
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okay guys just thinking out loud here, since you need a "good cause" to have ccw in los angeles...anyone happen to know if you wrote that you're a trans-person who's life is threatened by transphobia; would the LA sheriff approve that since charlie beck is a leftist himself?
It's as good a reason as any in Los Angeles.

If it is true, and you are denied, and you have absolutely no criminal or civil issues in your background, then you may or may not have a case for a legal challenge. If they deny for good moral character, then you can claim that your sexual ambiguity is the basis for their discrimination.

Get in touch with the CRPA for advice on how to proceed.
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okay guys just thinking out loud here, since you need a "good cause" to have ccw in los angeles...anyone happen to know if you wrote that you're a trans-person who's life is threatened by transphobia; would the LA sheriff approve that since charlie beck is a leftist himself?
Let's step it up a notch and give the libtards no wiggle room. What if you are identify as gay black trans? You can also throw in there that sometimes you identify as a women as well so that makes you even more of a victim. Any other suggestions/creative ideas or victim classes to identify as?
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okay guys just thinking out loud here, since you need a "good cause" to have ccw in los angeles...anyone happen to know if you wrote that you're a trans-person who's life is threatened by transphobia; would the LA sheriff approve that since charlie beck is a leftist himself?
If you live in the City of Los Angeles, it might, under "circumstances" (a), (c) and/or (e). You'd apply with LAPD and then, if denied, with LACSD. Even if you do not live in the city of LA, be sure to share this loophole with the LA LGBTetc community. Even if you get denied, if others get issued CCWs, the more law-abiding people who get CCWs and EDC, the safer we ALL will be!

Los Angeles County has a population of 10M, of that, 4M live in the City of Los Angeles. If you are lucky enough to do so, you should apply first with LAPD before trying the LA Sheriffs Dept. Why? Because of a negotiated settlement that has court oversight, they have a more "liberal" Good Cause policy than the sheriffs department. For more info, see:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1423638
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Been off forum for a while, I don’t expect any “court relieve” until we replace one of the four libs or Justice Kennedy on the SCOTUS. Once that happens, the court may take a significant case and go as expansive as possible, especially if Justice Thomas writes the opinion.
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Vote on June 5th for your CCW privileges!

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I wish it was a right granted by the Constitution but that isn’t currently the case...
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It sounds like LA county has a shot at voting Bob Lindsey as sheriff, who promises to make that count a shall issue one. I'd suggest you guys spread the word and jump on that gravy train as hard as you can.
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For those who like and want a Sig line banner like mine, supporting Bob Lindsey, here's how to make one:

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Cool!

Thanks, Kes.

If anyone wants to do the same:
(1) Select User CP from the 2nd blue bar across the top of every CGN webpage.
(2) Under "Your Control Panel" (left column), select "Editing Signature" under "Settings & Options".
(3) Delete your current sig line pic if you have one.
(4) Select "Upload Signature Picture" and put in the empty field: https://i.imgur.com/Uu7qJxL.gif
(5) Select "Save Signature"

and that should be it! If not, just try different options that may make sense.

FWIW I embedded mine with a hyperlink to his campaign's website: http://sheriffboblindsey.com/ To do that, put [U*L="http://sheriffboblindsey.com/"] in front of [SIGPIC] (but use a "R" in place of the "*") and after [/SIGPIC] put [/URL]
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I should point out that while LA county has ~1/3rd of CA's population, since about 1/2 of CA's population can readily get CCWs and about 1/2 can't -- and LA falls into the "can't" half -- LA county has ~2/3rds of all Californians who can't get a CCW.

Winning LA county by electing Bob Lindsey for sheriff would be a TREMENDOUS WIN for our side!
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I should point out that while LA county has ~1/3rd of CA's population, since about 1/2 of CA's population can readily get CCWs and about 1/2 can't -- and LA falls into the "can't" half -- LA county has ~2/3rds of all Californians who can't get a CCW.

Winning LA county by electing Bob Lindsey for sheriff would be a TREMENDOUS WIN for our side!
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I am very optimistic about this.
I am seeing a TON of Bob's bumper stickers and yard signs in the SGV and SFV and no signs for any other candidates.
Of course, there may be some sampling bias... like when you buy a new car and suddenly it seems like everyone bought the same car... but it's still promising.
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I had my application in the original LA "Peruta pile" and then received my "Peruta en banc kthxbai" letter.

I'm thinking of applying now, with a good cause along the lines of, "I wish to exercise my 2A right to bear arms without attracting attention."

Too soon?
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I had my application in the original LA "Peruta pile" and then received my "Peruta en banc kthxbai" letter.

I'm thinking of applying now, with a good cause along the lines of, "I wish to exercise my 2A right to bear arms without attracting attention."

Too soon?
If I were you, I'd get everything ready but not submit until after Aug 30th to see if en banc or sua sponte en banc is requested. If either is, the result of the vote won't probably be for 3 or 4 months later. (Peruta's en banc petition vote took 4 months.)
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Don't hold your breath. You will not get approved in L.A.County. PERIOD, END OF STORY!!!
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Anybody up for a legal challenge to the arbitrary nature of the process? If all of us who live in counties where a CCW is virtually impossible to obtain, unless you're politically connected, were to pitch in a few dollars to a legal effort, perhaps the state would become uniform in its approach to issuing them. I'm sure the NRA or one of the other local gun owner's associations have attorneys willing to take up the issue
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Anybody up for a legal challenge to the arbitrary nature of the process? If all of us who live in counties where a CCW is virtually impossible to obtain, unless you're politically connected, were to pitch in a few dollars to a legal effort, perhaps the state would become uniform in its approach to issuing them. I'm sure the NRA or one of the other local gun owner's associations have attorneys willing to take up the issue
We already have Hawaii in the Young case seeking CA9 en banc. We now have California in the Flanagan case seeking CA9 en banc. (The NRA is behind Flanagan.) http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=330

Why should we start yet another carry case now???
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Really wish you LA guys luck in November with Lindsey. But in libtard LA, being pro-CCW is a probably net negative with voters. It would be glorious to see the West Hollywood aholes have to live with county-issued CCW's.

OC is still red enough (although illegal immigration has turned even OC blue enough to go for Hildebeest ) to be a good political position for a sheriff candidate.
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Really wish you LA guys luck in November with Lindsey. But in libtard LA, being pro-CCW is a probably net negative with voters. It would be glorious to see the West Hollywood aholes have to live with county-issued CCW's.



OC is still red enough (although illegal immigration has turned even OC blue enough to go for Hildebeest ) to be a good political position for a sheriff candidate.


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Why would you wish them luck with Lindsey? He is not even an option in November.
Obviously because I did not know that. Lawdy, they were discussing Lindsey like 4 or 5 posts ago. Sad the LA CCW forum has so little activity. So glad I moved to OC.

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Looks like we have a new sheriff. McDonnell appears to be the first incumbent sheriff to be defeated in LA in 100 years. He spent 8x what his opponent spent. But McDonnell doesn't end in a vowel so he lost.

Villanueva made some claim to be planning to issue more CCWs, but it's hard for me to really believe that. Any thoughts on this?
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Looks like we have a new sheriff. McDonnell appears to be the first incumbent sheriff to be defeated in LA in 100 years. He spent 8x what his opponent spent. But McDonnell doesn't end in a vowel so he lost.

Villanueva made some claim to be planning to issue more CCWs, but it's hard for me to really believe that. Any thoughts on this?
Sounds like Villanueva will take LA Co. "light red" (maybe even yellow).

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Villanueva says he would issue more concealed carry permits than McDonnell, "who is basically issuing none" (there are about 200 people in L.A. County with these permits), but fewer than Lindsey, "who wants to basically hand them out like candy."

To establish whether an applicant has "good cause" to be issued a concealed carry permit, Villanueva says he would consider whether there’s a "documentable" threat to the applicant’s safety, and whether the applicant lives or works in remote locations without immediate access to first responders.
From: https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/06/01...la-sheriff-ji/
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Still an infringement! We are all at risk anywhere anytime.
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Villanueva says he would issue more concealed carry permits than McDonnell, "who is basically issuing none" (there are about 200 people in L.A. County with these permits), but fewer than Lindsey, "who wants to basically hand them out like candy."

To establish whether an applicant has "good cause" to be issued a concealed carry permit, Villanueva says he would consider whether there’s a "documentable" threat to the applicant’s safety, and whether the applicant lives or works in remote locations without immediate access to first responders.
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I doubt this will happen. But I’m willing to be the test pilot once he’s in, I think I could sit and brainstorm a reasonable good cause apply with it and then go from there.


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If you 're going to carry a gun you at least want to have applied for a CCW. If you have trouble carrying you want a history of going through lawful proceedure.
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Looks like we have a new sheriff. McDonnell appears to be the first incumbent sheriff to be defeated in LA in 100 years. He spent 8x what his opponent spent. But McDonnell doesn't end in a vowel so he lost.

Villanueva made some claim to be planning to issue more CCWs, but it's hard for me to really believe that. Any thoughts on this?
Yeah: "Don't count your chickens until your eggs are hatched."

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Election 2018: Retired lieutenant leads LA County sheriff by mere 335 votes as cliffhanger race goes into OT

Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell is now trailing his challenger in the sheriff’s race by just 335 votes, with hundreds of thousands of ballots still to be tallied, according to county election officials.

McDonnell, who is running for a second 4-year term as sheriff, has 49.99 percent of the vote, compared to retired sheriff’s Lt. Alex Villanueva’s 50.01 percent. A day after the Nov. 6 election, Villanueva had been leading the incumbent by 4,927 votes.

L.A. County election officials announced the updated tally Friday after a batch of some 123,000 vote-by-mail ballots were counted after the general election.

More than 900,000 ballots, including provisional and vote-by-mail, still had to be tallied in the election in the coming weeks, Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder and County Clerk Dean Logan said Friday.
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It's going to a photo finish! I guess it will be a couple more weeks before every vote is counted and we know the result. Everyone who says, my vote doesn't matter, well, it does matter.

In this particular case, I realistically expect the CCW situation to be mostly status quo no matter who wins, but otherwise, the management of the sheriffs dept will be quite different. AV has much less leadership experience and is not ready to lead a huge LE organization like LASD.

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Speaking to reporters on Wednesday afternoon, Villanueva said he was confident the results would hold. “I can’t see a 90-degree turn where it reverses course,” he said.
He's also lacking in geometry experience needed to lead a huge LE organization.

I guess for most voters in LA the real issue was, a) does the candidate's name end in a vowel and b) is the candidate going to sufficiently protect illegal aliens who get arrested. AV wins on both of those, obviously.

Speaking of counting your chickens, LA Taco already declared that their vowel-ending candidate won, on Nov. 7.
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Villanueva made some claim to be planning to issue more CCWs, but it's hard for me to really believe that. Any thoughts on this?
I realize I forgot to mention something I thought I had.

I actually believe V. will liberalize LA Co to "light red" because that is very restrictive, BUT following that very restrictive policy consistently (compared to what LASO and SFPD do). Why do I think he'll do that? Because of last year's CA State Auditor's audit of Sac Co SO, LASO and SDSO. LA was revealed to have a totally corrupt practice of issuing CCWs. V. probably doesn't like CCWs, but he's probably not an obsessively anti CCW CLEO either.

So, I expect he'll have a restrictive policy and actually follow that restrictive policy. Given LA Co's 10+M population, I expect them to go from several hundred CCWers to several thousand or maybe even low teens of thousands CCWers. (IOW, from a few drops in a bucket to a few cups in a bucket.)
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I realize I forgot to mention something I thought I had.

I actually believe V. will liberalize LA Co to "light red" because that is very restrictive, BUT following that very restrictive policy consistently (compared to what LASO and SFPD do). Why do I think he'll do that? Because of last year's CA State Auditor's audit of Sac Co SO, LASO and SDSO. LA was revealed to have a totally corrupt practice of issuing CCWs. V. probably doesn't like CCWs, but he's probably not an obsessively anti CCW CLEO either.

So, I expect he'll have a restrictive policy and actually follow that restrictive policy. Given LA Co's 10+M population, I expect them to go from several hundred CCWers to several thousand or maybe even low teens of thousands CCWers. (IOW, from a few drops in a bucket to a few cups in a bucket.)
Sadly as a lifelong resident of LACo. Who has multiple longtime friends within LASD, and also several retired ranking deputies. Who have worked for and with him. They all concur that anything "V" says is to be taken with a grain of salt.

I believe that LACo citizens will see no improvement in the CCW situation.

I would love to be proven wrong.

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Sadly as a lifelong resident of LACo. Who has multiple longtime friends within LASD, and also several retired ranking deputies. Who have worked for and with him. They all concur that anything "V" says is to be taken with a grain of salt.

I believe that LACo citizens will see no improvement in the CCW situation.

I would love to be proven wrong.
Then why don't you simply move to a CCW friendly county? And yes, it is simple as I did it and dealt with all the hassles of doing so. If you want a CCW badly enough make it happen. No sense in complaining about what you can't control!
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