|
Calgunners in Service This forum is a place for our active duty and deployed members to share, request and have a bit of home where ever they are. |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
||||
|
||||
THEY DID IT REPEALED DADT
That's Don't ask don't tell
The times they are a changing Military will have to bend over backwards (no pun intended) Recognize male and female spouses, chaplains will have to perform ceremonies (maybe)
__________________
NRA LIFE MEMBER VFW LIFEMEMBER Last edited by todd2968; 12-18-2010 at 12:53 PM.. |
#2
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
The way I see it, only difference is that homosexual service members can bring their partners to the FRG meetings... I think the EO/POSH policies that are in place cover down pretty well on the repeal of DADT. I also think a lot of people are making this out to be a lot bigger deal than it actually is.
__________________
Assist, Protect, Defend. |
#4
|
||||
|
||||
i thought if they repealed don't ask don't tell it would go back to no gays in the army
dont ask dont tell allowed gays in now if they removed the dont ask dont tell requirement that is something different |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
The biggest thing I've heard as far as complaint from said suspected (but not known ) homosexuals is that they can't have the personal/social life they need to balance out their professional life. I've had to share a barracks room with someone who fit the bill described above, and whereas I had a lot of issues with him, sexual harassment was never one of them. If you catch someone of the same sex staring you up and down in the showers, you can file a complaint with the EO/POSH rep just like you've always been able to do. A congressional committee investigating this repeal came out to our post about 2-3 months ago and asked all the soldiers on post how we felt about it, and answered some questions for us. At that time, thy said it would be unlikely that same sex couples could be recognized, and that you won't be seeing any kind of military family benefits for them that currently exist for heterosexual couples. So, the "spouses" in a homosexual relationship shouldn't be getting an ID card, and the service member will still be treated and paid like a single service member.
__________________
Assist, Protect, Defend. |
#6
|
||||
|
||||
There is going to be a ***** storm when line units get hit with openly serving homosexuals. the survey did point out that most soldiers didn't care, but the majority who did were in line units.
Interesting that the senate repealed it, but there are still some hurdles for it to become policy. Top brass needs to certify that the repealment wouldn't cause issues. My disclaimer: I personally don't care... being from SF originally it's pretty much normal for me to be around GLBT |
#7
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
2. "Freedom"? In the .mil? Sorry, this isn't the Oakland Medicinal Marijuana Collective we're talking about. 3. Article 125 of the UCMJ is still in effect.
__________________
Coastie. LEO. 4006 TSW, 1950 Model 17-3, M&P Bodyguard .380 w/CT, Lombardi LAW-15. Next: S&W MP40 |
#8
|
||||
|
||||
Same sex marriage wont be recognized, and partners will not be eligible for benefits. You can already give your SGLI to whomever you want, so that wont be an issue, but expect the marriage issue to be next up.
This was in part an end run ploy to attack gay marriage at the federal level using the Military, knowing that we are prohibited by law to fight for ourselves on a political level. Not a single person who is favor of this gives 2 sh*ts about servicemembers, they have shown they are willing to sacrifice as many of us as they need to to enact their agenda. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Admiral Mike Mullen stated that anyone who doesnt like it, can GTFO of the Military, lets see how his words stand up when Servicemembers begin requesting discharge. At this moment, im pretty pissed off, I cant wait to see how they are gonna implement this new change to decide whether or not Ive wasted the last 8 years of my life. |
#9
|
||||
|
||||
So DB private snuffy has issues and can't get the job done. Has to go see the 1SG, and while getting his azz chewed blurts out "I'm gay, you're doing this because I'm gay". The NCO chain better have the paperwork in order, and it's gonna be a huge distraction either way. I can see many a DB-but-smart-enough troop using this as a way out of trouble. What's he care? If he say's he needs to be reassigned because of, then is off to a new post he'll get a fresh start.
So, you're out in the field or on the FOB, do we have to have Male showers/latrines, female showers/latrines, gay male showers/latrines and gay female showers/latrines??? How deep will this go? Cavtrooper has a couple of good points. How may things do our "Representatives" need to do against the will of the people they "represent?
__________________
01001001 00100000 01110111 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01001110 01001111 00100000 01001100 01001111 01001110 01000111 01000101 01010010 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101101 01110000 01101100 01111001 |
#10
|
||||
|
||||
Problem is they can't change human nature. The military never asked for this.
DADT was a compromise solution that protected everyone, though imperfect it kept people safe. Now? Chasing the fantasy of liberal utopia will have serious consequences. The sword of America gets dulller and duller. |
#11
|
||||
|
||||
To add-
EO/sexual harrasment complaints will be overwhelming! Combat Arms persons know that when you get a bunch of guys together for weeks or months on end, the gay jokes or comments get way outta control! How many times have been asked about the "bubble gum" on another guys trousers? Now, every freakin comment from ANYONE is gonna be taken as harrasment and reported. |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
ETA: The Chief beat me to this one. ^ The mandatory sensitivity training when you really need to be doing something worthwhile. And of course, the promotion/school/assignment quotas that are sure to come.
__________________
"Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive." - Westbrook Pegler Last edited by dustoff31; 12-18-2010 at 4:04 PM.. |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
I guess I'll have another fricken bay to watch now. First it was the females need their own space. Now those gays are gonna need a bay.
Not too mention all the extra powerpoints on gay behavior and EO training. Making crap difficult so they can say "I'm gay". Trying to make Soldiers in 9 wks is tough enough. Jeez! |
#17
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
MALE FEMALE OTHER WHAT you gonna do with the bi-sexuals Or will the shower room look like the scene from Starship Trooper
__________________
NRA LIFE MEMBER VFW LIFEMEMBER |
#18
|
||||
|
||||
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! lol.
Time will pass and this will be a total non-issue. Yeah, freedom to serve openly without fear of getting kicked out. Without having to hide one's true colors (no pun intended). |
#21
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
On the other side of the coin, Could they limit openly gay men to non-combat arms jobs since they legally limit women to non-combat arms jobs? (gender is actually a protected class, whereas orientation is not and they still legally limit women.) Last edited by Anchors; 12-18-2010 at 7:32 PM.. |
#22
|
||||
|
||||
Well, they could. But I suspect a lot of fundamental Christian types will now view the military as a non-career. Their Puritan ethic will prevent many from living with open homosexuals. I think that recruitment levels could be affected as Christians far outnumber gays.
__________________
RKBA Clock: Free Vespuchia! |
#23
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I've personally talked to people who were DQ'd for tattoos or juvenile history (because I was curious about these things for myself) that would join in a heartbeat if they could get waivers. I've also known gay dudes who could literally kick the crap out of me and probably a few other dudes my size at the same time. So I wouldn't buy that it's because gays can't fight. |
#24
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
RKBA Clock: Free Vespuchia! |
#26
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
A report I found from 1995 states that 68% of the military are from various Christian faiths. Which is a pretty large amount. I kind of think a lot of gay guys will stay in the closet anyway, so it won't be as big of an issue as a lot of people think. I suspect more lesbians will come out because there will be less resistance. |
#27
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
OIF 07-09 Veteran NRA Endowment Member, CRPA Life Member |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#29
|
||||
|
||||
We had two gay guys. One was schooled by four others while his "boyfriend" stood by and did nothing. What could he do? Kick their butts? Not likely, plus he knew he'd be next if he snitched. The dude got beat up cause we "knew" he was gay. He didn't do anything other than look a little light in the loafers. I feel sorry for anyone who gets "out and proud" in the military.
__________________
RKBA Clock: Free Vespuchia! |
#30
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
But you think it is okay to physically assault them for it? |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
Good to see some of the other vets here trying to educate people about this being a horrible idea. There are two types of people in the military, support and combat arms. Support are more civies anyway and from what I could gather gays have been out there for a long time. Combat arms is another story. People have died over this issue and if they decide to come out the body count will rise.
|
#32
|
||||
|
||||
Military service isn't a right so don't talk to me about the "freedom to serve," the courts agree with me on this so you will lose. Also some things are incompatible with a military environment, espousing one's alternative lifestyle choice is one of them. DADT = STFU, I hope the DoD continues down the current course whereby gays can serve provided they keep quiet.
__________________
Coastie. LEO. 4006 TSW, 1950 Model 17-3, M&P Bodyguard .380 w/CT, Lombardi LAW-15. Next: S&W MP40 |
#34
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Combat arms here. Infantry to be exact. Never fought with gays... that I know of. Never had friends that were gay (both military and otherwise). I have no stake in this whole debate. So why do I support this? Simply because it's a whole lot of nonsense. Brave men and women who are ready to fight and die for this country are being forced to hide their sexual orientation because it will affect combat readiness?... lot of FUD right there. It's almost 2011 for Christ's sake, not 1911. All this nonsense of imposing one's beliefs on others have got to go. Other people's gayness have no affect on me whatsoever. If it did... then that would be my fault and not the gay people. To me, this is a total non-issue. It passed, it will get signed, and so what? Who besides bigots give a flying hoot? |
#36
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
If I'm gay, and I can pass all of what's needed for me to pass, then I *should* be able serve. Are you saying that I should not be able to serve simply on the fact that I'm gay? That I have to be quiet about being gay and the moment it's known that I'm no longer *qualified* to serve? It'll pass. In time people like you will be the one's in the closet (minority) and this will be a non-issue. |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
While it may work for the Navy, or maybe the Air Force, and maybe even some parts of the Army, it will not work for any of the combat arms. The combat arms, (infantry/artillery/armor) will not work if man love is happening.
|
#38
|
||||
|
||||
"Equality" might not be the appropriate word either since the .mil engages in legal discrimination (age, gender, physical, etc) on a daily basis.
__________________
Coastie. LEO. 4006 TSW, 1950 Model 17-3, M&P Bodyguard .380 w/CT, Lombardi LAW-15. Next: S&W MP40 |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#40
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by C.W.M.V.; 12-19-2010 at 9:11 AM.. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|