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Monterey
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UPDATE (2015 May 10): If you go thru p. 5 of this thread, you'll see that Sheriff Bernal has followed Sheriff Miller's CCW policy of accepting "self-defense" (SD), aka "personal protection", as sufficient Good Cause (GC) and has a radically increased the burden of Good Moral Character (GMC) (thus the "caveat" in the title). Nonetheless, if a law-abiding resident merely wants -- not "needs" -- a CCW, you should be able to get one if you pass the sheriff's unreasonable GMC requirements. After the quote from the sheriff's CCW webpage I post how the SO and county may be liable to a federal civil rights lawsuit if they do not follow said policy and apply the same GMC standard to ALL CCW applicants. That's in case someone in Monterey Co gets denied and wants to fight to get a CCW. Here is the CCW policy currently posted on Sheriff Bernal's website (https://www.montereysheriff.org/CCW/) (emphasis added): Quote:
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=13858276 Here is the CCW policy currently posted on Sheriff Bernal's website (https://www.montereysheriff.org/CCW/) (emphasis added): Quote:
If Bernal does NOT follow this same procedure with ALL CCW applicants (think political donors, "friends of the sheriff"/"posse" members, politicians, celebrities), he's open for a Guillory-type 14th A Equal Protection federal lawsuit, but for GMC rather than GC. Hypothetically, let's say there's a world-famous film star (and director) who lives in (and was once the mayor of) Carmel-By-The-Sea, a city which, acc to CGF's 2013 survey, does not issue CCWs. We'll call him "Mr. E." Let's suppose Mr. E has a Monterey SO CCW. When it is/was time to renew, if the sheriff has the same policy for renewals that means his "background investigator" would have to go to Mr. E's neighbors (who, unlike his friends, may be hard-core antis), and "ask them if they would recommend [Mr. E] be issued a CCW permit." Not only would the same procedure have to be followed, but the same standard as to judging whether to issue or not be followed. IOW, let's say 1 of your neighbors says "Nyet!" when asked if you should get a CCW and because of that you are denied. If 1 of Mr. E's neighbors also said "No!" and yet was issued, that too is a 14th A Equal Protection violation. ETA: Since its been 5 months since the Bernal has been sworn into office and the same policy statement is on the SO website, I'll update the OP. Since they say SD = GC (have gone "vSI"), I'm going to make it a "TIME TO APPLY!!!" with Alert symbol but with a caveat since they're pushing GMC to sainthood levels....
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 05-23-2015 at 12:42 PM.. |
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Renewals are a quick interview, don't go through all that stuff again
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Monterey *** TIME TO APPLY!!! (w/caveat) ***
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Well, now renewals require a fresh application, same as new, just no new livescan and they don't go visit neighbors again or anything. And Yes Psych is absolutely gone Also, my understanding is that if one is denied you appeal via the undersheriff and every person I know of that has appealed has received their CCW (denial was overturned) |
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SD is sufficient
Next appointments are out to July I think |
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Monterey *** TIME TO APPLY!!! (w/caveat) ***
Just seen this
Earliest appointment is July I think But I'd say overwhelm them with appointments and maybe help get some of the other stuff reconsidered Last edited by Tripper; 05-23-2015 at 8:43 AM.. |
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I won't ask what made them decide to change their policy, I'm just glad they did.
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I think folks should bring the app when they ask for appointment, hand it in and say the 90 starts now, then they will be pressed to do it within the livescan limit, which they can't with all the stuff they do
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Renewals in Monterey seem to be delayed
My first LTC expires this week after two years.
I got the notice for my renewal, that had been mailed to the wrong address. I filled in the paperwork, got an appointment, and took it in early this month. I took the (re-)training, and got the paperwork in. It looks like they are backlogged, and don't know how long it might be until my information gets reviewed. FYI: Nothing has changed since last time. Once it gets reviewed, then it has to "go up the chain" for approval or dis-approval. I assume next time I need to start the renewaql 90 days before expiration, so that there's more time. Not much more I can do for now. |
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This boob's cute little move may be legal, but WTF! While recognizing that good cause equals self protection and avowing to do the Constitutional think, in the next breath the good sheriff says he is going to set higher GMC standards. Recognizing the proper standard for good cause shouldn't affect GMC. Then the good sheriff announces that if you apply we are going to tell everyone, including co-workers that may be very anti gun, that you are applying AND YOU MIGHT LOSE YOUR JOB. The mafia was more honorable than this county Chief LEO.
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He accepts SD = GC. He's gotten rid of the psych eval. He doesn't ask your references/employer/neighbors when you renew. See the above and also: http://www.calccw.com/Forums/announc...y-no-pain.html These are all "good things" that Sheriff Bernal's done w/o being forced to by the courts. Hopefully, in time, he'll get more comfortable w/issuing CCWs and skip your employer and neighbors and just ask for 3 non-family, in county references. Patience, Weedhopper. Quote:
I know about the CA AG's opinion letter from back in the 1970s, but that was in re. GC, not GMC. Quote:
Again: hopefully, after a couple of years experience (assuming we don't win SD = GC and "can own" = "can carry"/GMC via the federal courts), Sheriff Bernal will voluntarily drop some of these unwise policies.
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 07-31-2015 at 5:20 PM.. |
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California has a definition of GMC and it does not involve calling neighbors.
I can't get a CCW in Alameda County, but having to ask your neighbors if you can exercise a basic right is just wrong. What part of concealed have they forgotten. You may as well wear it on your belt if everyone knows you have it.......... |
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A friend of mine pulled out of the process once they said they will speak to the neighbors. Neighbors happen to be gangsters.. Friend told investigators you can talk to my other neighbors but not them. They told her no we will talk to everyone. Why would you want to tell a bunch of gangsters one of their neighbors will carry a gun all the time. It just lets them know that person has guns in their house for sure and makes it a burglary target now
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Three weeks ago I called for an appointment and got one in August, a six month wait. A conflict developed and I called to see if I could change it. I was told that they were now into November, a nine month wait!
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Monterey *** TIME TO APPLY!!! (w/caveat) ***
Monterey did remove the psych evaluation it was not really by choice, paladin if you have questions about that feel free to pm me
They are getting further out on appointments, I've been telling everyone to apply, and word is getting out, convincing not to do the neighbor thing is tough, trying to drop the 3 gun limit is tough, work in progress There is only 3 investigators I think, DOJ is responding slower than before. On the plus side, renewal is easy, my suggestion on that is copy your original, keep it handy to turn in again, changing only what is necessary to be accurate. It is the same app. But be aware, they are processing renewals as well as taking new apps, they are getting behind on that and there is a tendency to notify a person of their renewal too late, making your ccw actually expire before your renewal is approved, call them maybe 6 months out to see when you can make an appointment for renewal, have you qualification ready, quals are good for a year. Oh, if you did some SSE that changed your caliber in DROS, get it back to the caliber it is suppose to be, or the gun will be denied, they are fine with off roster as long as the caliber is correct, ie qualified with the serial, model and caliber, then DROS shows as 9" barrel at .52 caliber.. the DROS caliber needs to match what is on the gun and what you qualified with PM any questions you might have Last edited by Tripper; 02-07-2016 at 7:58 AM.. |
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Talked with one of the investigators for Monterey County Sheriff today and was told it now takes a least 3 months for the DOJ to respond back once fingerprints are taken.
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To those of you that successfully got your ccw. Without getting too personal, was your reason given, work related? Do you live in an area where your friendly with the niehbors?
I like the idea of ccw, although I don't have a dangerous job where a gun could possibly be needed, I do think that most of us, are potentially faced with the possibility of being in a situation where a firearm could save a life. My biggest deterrent in this county , if it even got that far, is the talking with my niehbors. It seems rediculas to actually have that as a determining factor in the process. I live in a neighborhood where I do not choose to talk with or associate with certain niehbors. One being a ghetto loser, drug dealer, living at his senior mom's house, who's teenage kid is taking after him. Another niehbor being multiple families, living in a small house, almost guarantee they are not legal citizens. Sure, there are a couple niehbors that I am friendly with. Even then, who.knows if they are against guns in general. No matter how much they like me or anyone else they might not like the thought of someone carrying. This is why I'm curious about the situation and process for some of you the carry in monterey county. |
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Monterey *** TIME TO APPLY!!! (w/caveat) ***
Personal protection is sufficient for Monterey
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^^^^ This.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Good to know, now how about the niehbor issue. I imagine there are others with crappy niehbors. What was your experience.
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Advise your Investigator of your concerns, no promise it will change anything though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I believe they stopped that too... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Not that I've heard, I can inquire about it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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After rrading the part regarding reason for ccw permit, I dont think stating just "Personal protection" as the reason would be enough. "If the CCW license is desired for self-protection, the protection of others, or for the protection of large sums of money or valuable property, you are required to explain and provide good cause for issuance of the license. For example, has your life or property been threatened or jeopardized? Explain incidents and include dates, times, locations, and names of police agencies to which these incidents were reported. Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW license. Use additional pages if necessary." |
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CCW background checks no longer have home visit or neighborhood checks, appointments are out to about October/November right now
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How did you find that out? I might have to try.
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Called
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Just put Personal Protection, really, they still accept that
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That might work
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That should work, doesn't hurt to get the process started
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See Penal Code Section 26150. If your principle place of business is within the county and the applicant spends a substantial amount of time in the business location, the Sheriff may issue.
But I would ask before paying the $138 non-refundable fee. |
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Since it is an employment based CCW, the sheriff may restrict it to coming and going from work and while on the job. But, if sbcfd is cool with that, far be it for me to disagree....
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 12-08-2016 at 5:29 PM.. |
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New Online CCW Application
The Sheriff’s office now has an online process for initial and renewal applicants, and for a modification to your permit. If you go through the web site and click own the "CCW Application Form" link it takes you to the URL below. The new online system requires that you submit your renewal application online, within 30 days of the permit expiration date. If you miss the deadline the online system will not let you apply as a renewal and will charge you the fees associated with a new application.
https://montereyso.permitium.com/ccw/start |
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Training
Does anyone have any recommendations on training for Monterey County? The SO website lists several possible companies, but many are out of date. The email response I got from the SO says that I need to upload a certificate from 16 hour training prior to my appointment date. I cannot find anyone except for Tremper Tactical that lists upcoming classes, and theirs is only 8 hours.
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