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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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Conservatives make gun issue new rallying cry
We need more people and the next rally in Sacramento.
CONCORD, N.H. – An immigration debate is raging and a budget crisis looms in Congress, but the conservative activists gathered outside the New Hampshire Statehouse had just one thing on their minds: guns. "The Second Amendment is there to protect us from losing the rest of them," said Adam Brisebois, 34, of Hudson, who cradled his 3-year-old daughter on his right shoulder and a rifle on the left. "If we don't fight, we'll lose our rights." Thursday's rally, organized by tea party leaders, drew nearly 500 people, many of them waving signs and carrying loaded weapons, to the state capital. Conservative leaders elsewhere report a wave of similar protests as grass-roots activists from Florida to Colorado seize on a new rallying cry for a tea party movement, which is trying to recover from a painful 2012 election season. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2JpnrtLwS |
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I don't know whether Tea Party equals conservative or republican, but I wonder why we never see headlines saying "Liberals (democrats) Make Gun Rights New Rallying Cry".
Liberal and conservative have nothing to do with the classical definition of those terms anyway - I've always considered myself a classical liberal, but the so-called liberals of today have turned me into a single issue voter. |
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I am indeed libertarian, but I'm forced to vote against democrats ie for republicans because of the democrat position on 2A issues. In virtually all cases in my state of Florida a libertarian vote takes away from republicans in favor of democrats. The good ole boy democrats here are still OK on 2A issues, but the ones from yankeeland (think Debbie Wasserman-Shultz) are almost as bad as the ones y'all have in California.
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The best we can hope for is a middle of the road Republican, who acts like a Libertarian on social issues but holds true to their conservative beliefs with spending, taxes, and leaving-us-the-****-alone. |
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Correction. Now Republican's are 1960's Democrats and Democrat's are 1960's communists.
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'We' already have. There was already an event at the Capitol (where weapons of any kind are prohibited- let alone loaded firearms), where 1000 people showed up and got 0 media coverage, because we live in the 2nd most anti gun state in the union.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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I'll see you there on Feb 8th. We should be there to show there is support here in Communist California. Maybe the pols will be in town on a Friday.
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True, but like so much else, it is being used by the unscrupulous to gain temporary political advantage.
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I think the Republicans would be a lot better off if they'd back the hell off a few issues. Women's rights and the gay hate, to name two.
We all know that extramarital sex is supposed to be a bad thing, and that single women shouldn't need birth control and abortion is a terrible, horrendous thing, and that gay marriage is such a stain on society(sarcasm, all of it btw guys), but those issues are what's keeping Republicans out of office. Why did I not vote for Romney? Because he was more interested with what *I* was doing with my vagina than my own mother. Who has asked not once, but twice in the past year when I'm going to start having kids. That issue right there was why I, and many other women, did not vote Republican. The difference here is that I did a write in for Robin Williams. I wasn't giving Barry Obummer my vote. Screw that. |
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and some other a**hole will take her place
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The problem with that is that Roe v Wade is not going anywhere. There is not a chance in hell you will lose abortion rights. But your gun rights are very much in jeopardy.
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Take not lightly liberty To have it you must live it And like love, don't you see To keep it you must give it "I will talk with you no more. I will go now, and fight you." (Red Cloud) |
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As for abortion and gay marriage, well I take a libertarian view on those issues, but they're really side issues for me when compared to the 2A. A politician's stance on abortion and/or gay marriage is far less important to me than their stance on the 2A. And in today's political reality that generally means voting for the republican. The two party platforms coming out of the conventions could not be more clear as to which party today is more 2A friendly. |
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Don't overlook the fact that this rallying cry for Republicans and conservatives also has a timing element to it. Republicans got their rear ends handed to them in the election and over the fiscal cliff. They need to show they can stand up to Democrats and the gun issue is a perfect opportunity to show conservative strength.
And yes, Democrats are becomming communist and California is beginning to show signs of being a state planned economy because nearly all business, including private businesses have a large amount of income from doing business with the government and the government is the #1 employer. The government also enacts regulations that while on the surface do not have the intend of eliminating competition, have the effect of doing so. |
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Mickey Mouse has a far better chance of winning then write in vote than Robin Williams.
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"What is a moderate interpretation of the text? Halfway between what it really means and what you'd like it to mean?" -Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice "Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety. I like my guns like the left likes their voters-"undocumented". |
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I would hazard that the so-called gun issue should be part of a greater rallying cry for the remnants of conservative/classical liberal/libertarian types. After the invasion of the party snatchers (neo-cons) and the re-election of Forward (formerly, Hope/Change), championing liberty is the logical and constitutional course (for a real change), before Romney's "47%" devours them all.
The alternative is California on a national scale. As far alienating so-called liberal gun owners, the ball really is in their court. How many of them are writing their elected officials in support for II Amendment liberty?
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Sounds reasonable. I've never in my life been a member of any political party. In the past I've always voted for the candidate most aligned with my views on a broad variety of issues. But, as I said, the so-called liberals of today have turned me into a single issue voter, which means I generally vote for the republican candidate as in virtually all case they are more 2A friendly than democrats. There are occasional notable exceptions, but they are far and few between.
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If you're a "liberal" (as the term has come to be defined today) gun owner, then it's incumbent upon you and others like you to change the position of the so-called liberal politicians on 2A issues. If you vote for a "liberal" hoplophobe over a "conservative" 2A friendly candidate, well who's doing it wrong?
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