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I was calling you out on saying that by the wording in the law, increasing the speed in which the bolt flies back and then locks into battery has nothing to do with it being a multi burst trigger activator. Maybe Im missing your point and you were being facetious about that, but it seemed like you thought that you were being super technical in the reading of the law. |
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Do law makers understand this? No. They understand law, and they have a basic understanding of what a gun looks like and no clue how they work. 2-The law is simply written as it is. By its own definitions and structure, slidefire and 3mr are legal. A coworker of mine explained it to me like this-there are three degrees that items like this fall under-Safe, Legal, and Lawyer Safe. The 3MR is Safe and Legal. It hasn't been lawyer tested yet, however, I am willing to bet the letter from the ATF will be more than worth its weight in gold should an interaction with law enforcement occur. |
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Also, to caveat, I have never seen a semi-automatic rifle with civilian advertisement have an advertised rate of fire, so, unless the manufacturer includes that information in the manual, neither you nor CADOJ knows if the ROF has been increased.
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While there are issues with Kyles posts already addressed, I believe there is a seed of truth in one of his statements.
My understanding is that the cyclic rate of gas operated systems on full auto will be higher if the gas system is shorter (i.e. the gas port is closer to the chamber). This is because the system is under slightly higher pressure for a slightly longer time (all other things being equal).
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That's a horrible attitude to have. Our Constitution is worth more than the paper it is on, regardless of what some scumbag in any given position tries to do with it. Come time, that constitution will draw a line in the sand, and when it is crossed, big changes will happen.
Those 12 dumb people are going to have to listen briefly to the country's top firearms expert say that the 3mr is "not a multi-burst trigger activator." There is very little to argue with about that. And since the DOJ has stayed silent, as they usually do, there are likely to be minimal repercussions if any. Given that a rifle that is legal pursuant to CA PC's and no laws were broken. Of course. |
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Planes, elevators, staircases, balloons, and stepstools are all multi-burst trigger activators as defined by CA legislature. By raising elevation, and decreasing the force of gravity, time moves at a faster rate (thanks Einstein!);therefore, even if you are pulling the trigger at the same rate, you will be shooting faster in reference to ground level. You are all felons, prove me wrong.
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If we wanna talk about space time, the antis eyes will glaze over and say gravity is illegal lol |
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Thing about multiburst trigger activators is that they don't have to touch the trigger, as seen by the slidefire. If it increases the rate of fire, by any rate other than human intervention it is a MBTA is what i'm understanding, lol.
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Agreed. A recent article on it states that the third position does nothing more than allow for a shorter reset. I'm going to get one. Probably will only use the third setting when I'm around individuals that aren't going to trip. Hope to not end up being the test case, but damn the gun laws here are stupid as ****.
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Ok, after viewing how the device works and reading the thread here is my conclusion. I hope this should put things into perspective. Let me know if I did a good job at explaining this.
How I see the Tac Con trigger: Current triggers we have on our guns (pretend its double action only with long travel and heavy weight) Tac on trigger (pretend its a double action trigger with single action trigger option at a lighter pull with less travel) Single action would speed up the rate of fire with less trigger travel and weight to pull vs. double action only, but both will still require one trigger pull per shot. In my understanding, no its not a multi-burst tirgger. Tac-con is just a refined trigger like changing a double action only gun to a double action with light single action option. This is the best example I can come up with to explain this device. Like a revolver DAO trigger upgraded to a STI single action race gun trigger. If Tac-con refined trigger is illegal or considered a multi-burst trigger then all after market trigger kits or polishing your trigger for a lighter pull would be illegal. Would I buy one? no, a tuned trigger will shoot fast enough (magpul video comes to mind) Would CA DOJ make it illegal? who knows, most laws are ridiculous and passed on FUD or illogical reasons. ------------ From the arguments I've read. Its like we all own double action only revolver, a brand new pistol with a new technology called single action trigger is released and people are bickering that it speeds of the rate of firing and its illegal when all it is less trigger travel, less trigger weight and faster resets. Its no different than a competition trigger IMHO Geissele S3G Trigger
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There was a review today on the firearm blog; they weren't impressed...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-auto-trigger/ |
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The legal argument is interesting there is definitely some good points but unfortunately I think they will come up with any thing to brand it illegal regardless of it being the trigger group and not acting upon the trigger like the slide fire for example.
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Like others have said, how is this legally different than the Geisselle SD3G trigger?
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Bottom line, you have to ask yourself... Does this $500 gimmick trigger system worth running the risk of having your property confiscated, doing jail time and spending $10,000-$30,000 in court fees to determine if it is legal in CA. |
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Also, a trigger is a trigger, simple. The law states that if a gun fires MORE then one round with each pull of the trigger, it is a machine gun. This trigger fires one shot with every trigger pull, it just does it quickly.
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I'd never heard of this trigger until a guy came through the shop where I work talking about it. The story he told me was that someone called the cops on him when he was at the range. LEO showed up, checked out the letter that comes with the trigger, had the guy break open his rifle to look at it. Then the LEO made the statement, "gonna have to get me 1".
I'm not that impressed really because the price and I can shoot my SD-3G pretty dang fast anyways
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Well yeah when you compare it to a transferable m16 then sure it looks like a great deal
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What bothered me the most was when the guy was telling me the story and he said the someone called the cops on him........
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THOSE THAT WANT FULL AUTO WITHOUT THE HIGH PRICE TAG cap lock,sorry I won't bother with 1 of these in calif though,just going to get haressed,lean to bump fire..........I need to learn better myself cost $$$$$$$$$ to pratice |
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I believe i can shoot faster with my own finger than spending that amount of money for a trigger that looks like it marginally increases the rate of fire but not by much. I still think the slidefire stock works better in comparison.
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With a mil-spec trigger ? Maybe you can shoot as fast...but will you hit anything?
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I recommend people found in violation of this should also lose their state citizenship and deported to Arizona or other state that allows all sorts of evil shooty thingys.
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I read a real online review of this thing-
turns out I was wrng, there's no bolt carrier assist function. All the 3rd position does is allow a harder reset (and maybe a lighter pull? I forget). The review seems to suggest it kind of sucks. People test firing it at SHOT also had problems getting it to run fast like the video guys. -Dave |
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What if someone puts a tac con trigger in a ghost gun that is 26.25" long with a sg15 brace and a forward grip. DeStalin's head is exploding at the mere thought of that.
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Yeah, no shizz. wth? It doesn't look any different than a regular semi-auto trigger. I'll stick with my SSA.
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according to the makers, the third position has a sear that releases the disconnect from the trigger sooner, so time between actual trigger reset and following shots are shortened.
based on that, In no way does the third position "activate" the trigger for a "multiburst" operation. If anything, the third position "activates" (if you can even define it as that) the disconnect. the trigger is still manipulated by solely by the individual.
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As short of a reset as you want (as possible), and as short a takeup as you want (within a safety margin), and LEGAL.
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod42038.aspx All for sub $200. Some pooh-pooh adjustable triggers as unreliable, but it has way less parts than the 3MR. -Dave |
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I'm been planning on getting one since the first time I heard about it and saw the video.
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