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Old 10-16-2017, 9:48 AM
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I'm currently in a heated debate over gun rights with a friend of mine who is also an avid anti-gunner. He is making the claim that homeowners using firearms in their homes to successfully defend themselves is virtually non-existent. I've seen some video feeds over the years and read news accounts but don't have them readily accessible.

Anyone have some video feed or news stories of such occurrences? Figure I would crowd source this with the Calgunners crowd. If I can show him a dozen or so examples, that would shut him down. Which would be appreciated




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I would like to see that also because I think the number is so small as to not be significant.
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One of the first things I read when the new American Riflemen arrives each month is the Armed Citizen page. You can find more stories than you probably need here: https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/

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I would like to see that also because I think the number is so small as to not be significant.
It only takes one to be significant when it's your home they're invading.

OP, I can think of at least 3 home invasion gunfights caught on security cameras. 2 were people coming into through the garage, one was the Asian lady that shot the 2 guys breaking at night. All 3 involved exchanges of gunfire and in all 3 the homeowner came out ahead.
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It only takes one to be significant when it's your home they're invading.

OP, I can think of at least 3 home invasion gunfights caught on security cameras. 2 were people coming into through the garage, one was the Asian lady that shot the 2 guys breaking at night. All 3 involved exchanges of gunfire and in all 3 the homeowner came out ahead.
This. My individual right to defend myself with the best tools available supercedes the collective.
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:26 AM
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This. My individual right to defend myself with the best tools available supercedes the collective.
My wife wasn't anti-gun, but she also wasn't a big fan of firearms for home defense. Then she and her sister narrowly stopped a man from breaking in to her mom's house with her sisters .38. She called me and said "I want a gun". She now has a .380 with her at all times, a 9mm in the nightstand, a 12 gauge under the bed and we have a .45 on my side of the bed. She wants a junior 20 gauge for her side of the bed because my 12 gauge is too large for her to get off a shot and pump fof the second.
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Grab your copies of American Rifleman that you get with your NRA membership. They have a dozen or so examples every single month in th first couple pages.
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Your playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what number of examples of real world usage you come up with it's going to be an insignificant number to them. His/her mind is made up, you aren't going to change it, with anything as insignificant as facts.
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It may be old, but Masad Ayoob published a collection of his after action review of citizen involved defensive shootings a while back.

I'm guessing it's affordable and in paperback, so buy your friend a copy.
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Your playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what number of examples of real world usage you come up with it's going to be an insignificant number to them. His/her mind is made up, you aren't going to change it, with anything as insignificant as facts.
This is a sad reality.
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:31 AM
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I'm currently in a heated debate over gun rights with a friend of mine who is also an avid anti-gunner. He is making the claim that homeowners using firearms in their homes to successfully defend themselves is virtually non-existent. I've seen some video feeds over the years and read news accounts but don't have them readily accessible.

Anyone have some video feed or news stories of such occurrences? Figure I would crowd source this with the Calgunners crowd. If I can show him a dozen or so examples, that would shut him down. Which would be appreciated

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Why bother? Such conversations usually devolve into both sides talking over each other, folded arms, and digging in of heels. You will have your firearms for your home defense needs. He will have his bat / stick / frying pan / fierce verbal skills for his. Shake his hand and wish him well.
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This was a crazy one, bad guy goes through a door with machete...

https://youtu.be/5bsAMSQ13bY
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This was a crazy one, bad guy goes through a door with machete...

https://youtu.be/5bsAMSQ13bY
A great starting point for a home security plan is making sure your exterior door is not a hollow core interior door. The deadbolt and chain lock are rendered useless by such a door, as shown in the video.
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Here's a couple stories where teenagers defended themselves one used an AK and the other an AR15
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...armed-invader/

http://nation.foxnews.com/crime/2013...-fathers-ar-15
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How many stories do you read of a home owner preventing their home from burning down because they put out a fire with an extinguisher? Not too many. Maybe a couple per year. Yet people would call you negligent for not having a fire extinguisher in the house. Same thing with a firearm. Most likely will never ever need it. But god forbid you do you're going to regret it if you didn't have one.
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I was arguing with an anti gunner and asked him what he would do in the event of a home invasion. He said he would let them take all his things. Then I asked him what would he do if they did not stop there and wanted to rape and kill his wife and daughter. He then said he would beat the home invaders with a bat or his fists. Then I asked them what good is your bat or fists gonna do when they are armed with guns??? He did not know what to say after that!
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I was arguing with an anti gunner and asked him what he would do in the event of a home invasion. He said he would let them take all his things. Then I asked him what would he do if they did not stop there and wanted to rape and kill his wife and daughter. He then said he would beat the home invaders with a bat or his fists. Then I asked them what good is your bat or fists gonna do when they are armed with guns??? He did not know what to say after that!
Should've asked him where his bat was. Or how tough he is against 2 or 3 guys.
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I was arguing with an anti gunner and asked him what he would do in the event of a home invasion. He said he would let them take all his things. Then I asked him what would he do if they did not stop there and wanted to rape and kill his wife and daughter. He then said he would beat the home invaders with a bat or his fists. Then I asked them what good is your bat or fists gonna do when they are armed with guns??? He did not know what to say after that!
Ask him if he would call the police (if he was able to).
After he says, "Yes," ask him, "So...you don't want guns in your house, but when you're in trouble & need help, you'll call the police...people with guns?"

Then, suggest he stop getting his information from movies...where one guy with a bat or his fists takes out three or four assailants. Or ever 10 or 20 like a Bruce Lee movie.
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Where's the vid of the woman recently that had three armed invaders and sent them running or dead? She probably needed more than ten rounds too!
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Where's the vid of the woman recently that had three armed invaders and sent them running or dead? She probably needed more than ten rounds too!
Might be the one I'm thinking of. She met them upstairs and shot at them all the way out the door.
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One of my favorites. I love the way the thug sees what he thought was a helpless woman & calmly approaches her....until that first shot from her gun.
Never saw someone run away that fast.
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One of my favorites. I love the way the thug sees what he thought was a helpless woman & calmly approaches her....until that first shot from her gun.
Never saw someone run away that fast.
It's hilarious that she was on the phone calling 911 the entire time. She said in an interview that the 911 call did not go through and she was put on hold.

This video just about kills every single Libtard anti-gun argument.

1) " Why don't you call the police?" - She was calling 911 at the time

2) " Why don't you wait until the police arrive?" - She would have gotten shot in the 10 minutes it takes for police to arrive.

3) " They will take your gun and shoot you with it?" They had their own guns and were shooting her with it

etc.. etc.

Too bad we can't make her the new face of the CRPA and have her interview every CA politician just to see the looks on their faces as she destroys their arguments.
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Where's the vid of the woman recently that had three armed invaders and sent them running or dead? She probably needed more than ten rounds too!
She fired 9 times. The thing is, this is a rare case when they actually have full video camera footage.
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Keep in mind, many crimes/attacks are stopped by the simple display of a firearm by the potential victim. The use of a gun for home protection does not imply that an OK corral type shoot out occurred, only that a firearm was used to stop/prevent an attack.

Why is it that liberals only focus on the most extreme worst case situations.

As noted above, the American Rifleman monthly magazine has a page full of examples every month.

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Go to YouTube and search for Active a Self Protection’s channel. He has a ton on there. Or do a wide search for armed citizens.

You could also conversely search for unarmed citizens or home invasions. The one with the thug beating the tar out of the Mom in front of her baby was particularly disturbing. Tons of material out there. Jus be patient in your search as it will inevitably give you bad results as any search will.
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as others have mentioned, NRA's "armed citizen" offers many new examples each month. these are the types of things that probably only make the local news, so your friend likely only hears about it once in a great while if at all.

i personally know someone who had to shoot someone to stop a home invasion. it didn't make any news program. local or otherwise.

i've also heard of mulitple stories on the evening news of home or store invasions that i feel would have ended very differently had there been a good guy with a gun. Although i'm sure that argument won't fly with your friend.

i think the best way to combat these types of situations is to go on the offensive instead of the defensive. You don't owe them any examples to prove why you feel owning a firearm for family defense makes sense. if someone confronts you with force, especially in your home, you have every right to defend yourself. you don't just curl up in a ball and suck your thumb and hope they go away. Ask what they would do if someone broke into their home with a gun or even a baseball bat? What they would do if they were awakened at night to the sounds of someone attempting to rape their daughter?

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i think the best way to combat these types of situations is to go on the offensive instead of the defensive. You don't owe them any examples to prove why you feel owning a firearm for family defense makes sense. if someone confronts you with force, especially in your home, you have every right to defend yourself. you don't just curl up in a ball and suck your thumb and hope they go away. Ask what they would do if someone broke into their home with a gun or even a baseball bat? What they would do if they were awakened at night to the sounds of someone attempting to rape their daughter?
Giving them one example will mean that they can't say " You will NEVER need a gun for self defense".

One they can no longer say that, the argument is over.
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Check out the Active Self Protection channel on youtube;

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE...h84mw/featured

They post many different types of situations involving gun usage for self defense, but i do recall seeing a few that were home invasion.
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This one got a lot of press awhile back. Woman shoots intruder five times protecting her children. She was on the phone with her husband at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYl6vrzza78


This one was against four armed home invaders. I believe the owner used an AR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0
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When I acquired a suitable firearm for home protection, my family mostly rolled their eyes about my "needing self protection", especially living in such a nice area. After I shot an intruder who had come in and stalked me upstairs and down, they mostly kept quiet about the subject. In a separate incident where my wife had two near-intruders almost gaining entry, she was totally on board with firearms for self protection.

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When I acquired a suitable firearm for home protection, my family mostly rolled their eyes about my "needing self protection", especially living in such a nice area. After I shot an intruder who had come in and stalked me upstairs and down, they mostly kept quiet about the subject. In a separate incident where my wife had two near-intruders almost gaining entry, she was totally on board with firearms for self protection.

All it takes is experience . . .
TWO home invasions.? (or nearly two) We need to look at your definition of exactly what a "nice area" is. You'd have better odds of winning the lottery than experiencing ONE much less TWO home invasion incidents in MY city.
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TWO home invasions.? (or nearly two) We need to look at your definition of exactly what a "nice area" is. You'd have better odds of winning the lottery than experiencing ONE much less TWO home invasion incidents in MY city.
The bad guys come into our neighborhood, from about 20 miles away, because
we tend to work daytime hours and leave our houses full of good stuff all day long.
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The bad guys come into our neighborhood, from about 20 miles away, because
we tend to work daytime hours and leave our houses full of good stuff all day long.
Do you really believe that the thugs are commuting nearly a half an hour each way to rob and burglarize your particular neighborhood? Statistically, thieves steel much closer to home
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