|
California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
View Poll Results: How much would you pay for Law Enforcement Credentials | |||
$0 I don't want them at any price | 398 | 15.56% | |
$100 | 316 | 12.35% | |
$500 | 748 | 29.24% | |
$1000 | 530 | 20.72% | |
$1500 | 103 | 4.03% | |
$2000 | 211 | 8.25% | |
$5000 | 133 | 5.20% | |
$10000 | 50 | 1.95% | |
$Whatever it takes I'll take out a second mortgage | 69 | 2.70% | |
Voters: 2558. You may not vote on this poll |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#161
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
• “A fear-based approach to regulation will always infringe.” • “Chance favors the prepared mind.” • |
#162
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I'm disgusted by all the nae-sayers on this topic. Ajax22 is thinking outside the box here, he's trying to help us ALL. Just as the trailblazers of the OLL movement thought outside the box. Those trailblazers studied the law as it was written, applied it studiously, and WE have all benefitted. Just think where we'd be now if those trailblazers had listened to all their nae-sayers.... Ajax22 is not advocating that we all get credentials and go around arresting people, pretending to be cops. He's just saying...... You get credentialled, carry concealled, that's it!
__________________
"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." "Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferson. "a system of licensing the right of self-defense, which doesn’t recognize self-defense as “good cause” Don Kilmer Last edited by Purple K; 11-10-2009 at 7:10 PM.. Reason: detail |
#163
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Fa..._Credit_Clause |
#164
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#166
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
• “A fear-based approach to regulation will always infringe.” • “Chance favors the prepared mind.” • |
#167
|
|||
|
|||
I would like to see some real legal eagle types chime in on this idea. We can bat this idea around for weeks and in the end watch it falter in self-doubt and nay saying. This “outside the box” type thinking needs serious people who have legislative/ legal experience to contribute constructive ideas and criticism. Does the Calguns community have the horsepower and financial wherewithal within its ranks to get serious about this or is this just another flight of fantasy? Do I hear crickets in the distance… or the beginnings of a groundswell?
Last edited by Charlie50; 11-10-2009 at 8:30 PM.. Reason: typo |
#169
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
January 14, 2009 by DrD Quote:
http://harmonyhealth.wordpress.com/2...w-of-the-land/
__________________
Have a great day "Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61 "[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry http://www.state-citizen.org/ |
#170
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Have a great day "Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61 "[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry http://www.state-citizen.org/ |
#171
|
||||
|
||||
"within a county" - keywords here. So don't get your hopes up.
|
#172
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...sage227513/pg1 Scroll down to where a (purported) Montana legislator chimes in. Of course, "I read it on the internet, but I ain't no lawyer." So which is correct? The smell test says the one where the feds can still enforce federal rules, I'd say. Sorry. 7x57
__________________
What do you need guns for if you are going to send your children, seven hours a day, 180 days a year to government schools? What do you need the guns for at that point?-- R. C. Sproul, Jr. (unconfirmed) |
#173
|
||||
|
||||
Sheriff Deputy's can also travel outside the county, just like the OP suggested City police can travel outside the city limits and still can carry CCW. Maybe at the county sheriff level there is more 'protection' vs city level.
__________________
Have a great day "Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61 "[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry http://www.state-citizen.org/ |
#174
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Have a great day "Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61 "[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry http://www.state-citizen.org/ |
#175
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Have a great day "Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61 "[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry http://www.state-citizen.org/ |
#176
|
||||
|
||||
Maybe 'buy' a town inside a pro 10th amendment state and county?
Many states are now doing the 10th amendment on state gun rights. The People > states > US Federal govt. This is going to be very interesting how all this plays out.
__________________
Have a great day "Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61 "[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry http://www.state-citizen.org/ |
#179
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Did I get it right? |
#180
|
||||
|
||||
How come the poll is public poll where people can see your response? I'm leery of those polls.
Someone could challenge my credibility someday by saying, "Isn't it true, sir, that you have publicly said that would pay $500 for law enforcement credentials?" |
#181
|
|||
|
|||
It's a good point. I think this thread needs to be deleted.
__________________
|
#182
|
||||
|
||||
oh yeah, it should be deleted. We dont want those gun nuts talking about things that are legal to do again, now do we?
|
#183
|
||||
|
||||
Earn what? You get LEO credentials when you get hired by a department. Some states don't even require a high school diploma to be a LEO.
__________________
Frank One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375 Life Member NRA, CRPA and SAF |
#184
|
||||
|
||||
True, but misleading. It implies that the sheriff has the absolute authority to do what he's doing, and that isn't at all clear. It's the authority that everyone is interested in, not a policy that the feds may simply have decided not to challenge at this time.
Here's another simple reality check: if county sheriffs have the kind of authority claimed, how could de facto segregation have been ended against the will of the Southern sheriffs? If he can throw out the feds, it seems the will of the federal courts could not have been imposed. 7x57
__________________
What do you need guns for if you are going to send your children, seven hours a day, 180 days a year to government schools? What do you need the guns for at that point?-- R. C. Sproul, Jr. (unconfirmed) |
#185
|
|||
|
|||
I will post a bit more when I'm off my iPod
I don't think that it will be neccecary to purchase a town...and that would require a large aMount of up front capital (which kills projects) I'm currently working on getting a (or a few) pro 2a communities on bord... There are a few different states where this could work... But untill we find one who is tentativly willing to procede we can't go forward I'm working on this right now... But I have somewhat limited time There are tens of thousands of communities which we can approach for this.... Law of averages...we'll find at least one Then it's a matter of carefully examining all state and local laws to verify the validity of the location... And then we draft a very carefully tailored employment contract which mimimiZes exposure for the town, and still satisfies all aspects of hr218 |
#186
|
|||
|
|||
The poll is public so I can make up a list of people to contact if/when this is a go
If someone somewhere sometime asks me if I publically stated that I'd pay for Leo credentials I would like to answer them by pulling out an leo Id and stating YUP... Would you like one? |
#187
|
|||
|
|||
If the idea is to find friendly towns willing to deputize, I suggest that it be only towns or cities which have already deputized 'auxilliary', 'volunteer', 'reserve', 'contingent' officers. Even moreso if they already deputize 'animal-control officer', 'wildlife control officer', "traffic control officer" or anything else fairly innocuous.
For the record, I am perfectly willing to take a few days off of work every year and go do forensic computer analysis in some Podunk jurisdiction ... maybe even 'on demand' as cases arose. I'm qualified, and they couldn't afford my billable-hour rate. 'Volunteering' my time in exchange for minimum wage and credentials is in everyone's interest. Rather than creating a perfectly-legal fiction, offering genuine service seems more consistent with our goals. |
#188
|
|||
|
|||
Providing Cash is a heckuva service...
So far a couple of states which have shown promise are: Ohio (expressly allows for non resident LEO's with case law to back it up), Pennsylvania (has a class of officer called 'constibles' for which the state is indemnified against the actions of the individual and has case law with HR218), Alaska (no residency requirement, VERY pro 2A), Wyoming, Ones which will not work (usually for residency requirements for LEO's) are: Montana, California I've made a few calls today, hopefully I can get some local help from some of the 2A lawyers in these various locations to sort through the local statutes and point me in the direction of 2A friendly locations.. If anyone has any knowledge of particularly 2A friendly towns, mayors, or sheriffs in other states please let me know. |
#189
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#190
|
||||
|
||||
Sounds like a potential winner of a plan. Let us know how we can help.
__________________
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." Wayne LaPierre, NRA Press Conference, 12/21/12 |
#191
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Have a great day "Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61 "[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry http://www.state-citizen.org/ |
#192
|
||||
|
||||
I put in the poll $500 because that is what I know that I would without any hesitation or thought drop on this. Depending on details, I could pay 1k or more but I would rather not. Basically, what I guess I am saying is that if this works I am in regardless up to $500 or $600 and beyond that, I still want to be kept in the loop because I would give it consideration.
Would this also exempt us from handgun roster requirements and maybe even “hi-cap” restrictions? That would make it worth even more. All of this being said, I hate the fact that LEO’s get special treatment. It is like one that I know of that carries a switch blade. When asked “isn’t that illegal” his reply was “yeah, but no one cares because I am a cop”. I have never had any run ins with LEO’s other than getting pulled over once and let off with a warning and having one CHP officer start to search my truck when I pulled over to pull him out of a ditch. I have several friends that are good guys and LEO’s, but I kind of have a low level of respect for them as a whole. Despite all of that, if this would help me be able to exercise my rights, then I am game.
__________________
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~Ben Franklin 159 |
#193
|
|||
|
|||
I dunno - I'm getting really bad flashbacks to the "Chief Thunder" case. That was the guy who made a sweetheart deal (ATF said "bribe") with some podunk PD to get them to sign LE sample letters, to import machine guns. When he was busted, he had ~150 full auto rifles sitting in a warehouse. He went away for a couple of years to Club Fed based on that. Call me paranoid, but the only way I'd play this game if I had strong assurances from legal authorities I trusted (somebody like Eugene Volokh or Chuck Michel, for example) that the whole scheme was legit.
__________________
|
#194
|
|||
|
|||
This is why it is important to engage only departments (assuming we go for pre-existing towns) which have a history of issuing non-resident LEO credentials, and especially if they are issued for "non patrol" type roles like animal control, etc.
If we deal with such, and provide legitimate service to those communities ... where is the problem? With many small towns experiencing chronic budget/manpower problems, this as good of a win/win, "fully legit anyway you look at it" type of scenario. Last edited by dansgold; 11-11-2009 at 11:56 AM.. |
#195
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
__________________
|
#196
|
|||
|
|||
You can't bribe the whole town
There has to be an element of personal proffit for it to be illegal.... There is nothing illegal with paying an administrative processing fee directly to the town or sherrif. Otherwise I'd be 'bribing' the state whenever I pay my vehicle registration |
#197
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
(which government, incidentally, signs their paycheck) . |
#198
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
It's a poll, if you don't want your opinion known, DON'T CLICK ON IT!!! We don't have to delete this thread because of it. This is a great topic!
__________________
... |
#199
|
||||
|
||||
yea, ive batted the idea around and i actually know someone that has a vacation house in a small town, is friends with the sherriff and is a reserve sherriff of that town and carrys under LEO credentials, its pretty much the same thing carona did without the blatant bribes..
and for the LEO's that take offense at this, if its legal, you have to deal with it, if we bought one of these little 1 million dollar towns, for sale in northern california, incorporated, and built a police force made of 15,000 cal guns volunteers for a town with only 10 people, then so be it. my idea would be, if someone applied for a CCW permit, was turned down, then was raped, or they had a family member shot during a mugging, wouldnt that be cause for ae lawsuits against the LEO that turned them down?
__________________
Jason M- My 5 year old is a NRA life member, are you? WTB: Stoeger Condor Competition Combo (I'll trade 1911's or other handguns) |
#200
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
__________________
... |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|