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You are right, those are snipers and that is a professional NRA High Power competitor. That list in the first post is from the Precision Rifle Series Finale held this past weekend at Rifles Only. It has nothing to do with the High Power discipline. Here are some pictures from the 2012 GAP Grind, similar to the PRS Finale. Now picture shooting off of those positions, shooting at usually small steel targets under time and mental stress. |
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Me too. The Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50 HDMR G2DMR is on my short list for my trainer |
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So by your standards what would you call this USMC shooter?
Or these shooters at the International Sniper Challenge which runs simlar stages? |
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I'd call them "people shooting in a match who may happen to also be snipers, but are not "sniping" in those matches". Just because you're shooting in a match form various positions, does not make you a "sniper".
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All the competitors on that list are the cumulative top 50 shooters from 15 different matches all over the country over the past year. Everyone on that list earned their spot. For 98% of precision rifle matches, the registration fills up in less than 1 minute. |
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He's a member here and at CAPRC and a great guy to deal with. |
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you guys are funny here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cTxCL83NTk
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Thanx. Im picking up a Savage .22 trainer from Charlie next week.
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Merc1138 are you a military or law enforcement "sniper"? Are you a competitive shooter?
I'm just curious, what kind of shooting do you do, because you seem to know clearly what differentiates one shooter from another. |
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its easy when you have sponsors....
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That ain't no Devil Dog. Even your image link says he's an AMU (ArmyMarksmenShipUnit) shooter. Staff Sgt. Scott Grant US Army.
Nope, none of those. Most of the calibers used in that competition are wind cheater calibers. They heavily negate the winds influence on the round due to their ballistic nature.
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Plisk, you are correct. That's my bad but it was really to illustrate a point. I have a friend that was a USMC marksman instructor and he competed.
I was illustrating that a professional marksmen has skill beyond a tile, and professionalism in a trade should not be underestimated. |
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No, I am not. I'm also not a horse trainer, and I can tell the difference between a horse and a zebra. Because of my amazingly mediocre powers of observation, I have been able to determine that the gentlemen in the pictures you posted are not sniping. Instead of sniping, they are shooting in matches. As I said, it is entirely possible that the people in the pictures you posted are indeed snipers, it's just that they're shooting in a competition in the pictures you posted. Now maybe you can't spot the obvious giveaways in the first image of the Army Staff Sgt. you posted(did you not read the URL as you were pasting it? Heck, he even has a US Army sticker or some sort of logo clearly visible on the mag well, with another kind of obscured on the back of his hat), however I'm pretty sure that a shooting jacket, shooting glove, and m1907 sling, and stainless barrels on an m16 are not currently issued equipment for folks in combat. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not. |
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The match director tells you what your position is. You dont get to choose. "use this barricade to support your rifle. 3 shots from the top level, 3 from the middle, and 3 from the bottom. You have 1 minute." The barricade is not a window in a room... You dont have an hour to move a table in the back of the room, hang sheets, cut a loop hole, etc... and set whatever position you want... It's more of, "here's the problem. Overcome it." One match, they had a regular 6 ft aluminum folding ladder. "you will support your rifle *somehow* on this ladder." -you could pick any step or position, but the rifle is resting on the ladder... The last match I went to, had 6 SWAT snipers, and 5-6 Marine Corp snipers with at least 1 if not 2 sniper school instructors. That match was won by a civilian. I believe 2nd place was a 308. (SWAT) 338 and similar is usually not allowed, because some of the courses of fire, multiple people are shooting at the same time, and end up close together. The 338/bmg will rock everyone else on the line with every shot. They arent practical anyway for this style of competition. Try shooting a 338/bmg standing/kneeling/sitting unsupported.... Last edited by postal; 12-06-2012 at 9:32 AM.. |
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Yup. Thats the hot ticket right now! I want one bad..... but I need to wait for the budget... |
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Get the new, unreleased Bushnell 4X30 for over $700 while you can.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...62#Post3730062 |
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Every single sniper I've talked to in the service (which is only a few) was using a .308 also.
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Very few of the shooters on that list are real professionals. Most are weekend warriors that paid the required money to be a part of the series. Not saying they aren't talented, but real professionals they are not.
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This thread has a lot of misinformation, misconceptions, and uninformed comments.
Few of these guys are actual professionals. Most of these guys and gals are spending their own money. It is a competition discipline that is no different than shooting USPSA, NRA Highpower, or any other shooting "game." Last edited by RugerNo1; 12-06-2012 at 1:28 PM.. |
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Check out caprc.com or ncpprc.com depending if your So Cal or Nor Cal.
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Excellent. CAPRC would be it for me. What would an event like this be called specifically? Not interested in watching bench rest nor prone only shooting(although I'd love to participate in the future).
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Are they "Professionals?" Sure, why not? Just like professional hockey players, baseball players, basketball players and football players. Or more like professional tennis and golf players really (since they are not paid by a team, but are paid by sponsors).
You don't have to kill someone to be a "professional" in a SPORT. And let's not let the anti's forget that shooting is a SPORT for most of us. |
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There's also PBR at WEGC which also holds monthlies (for the most part). The match that Postal was referring to was held there last month. Check out socalprc.com |
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You don't consider rifles, ammo, and optics, payment(s)? Really?
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No I don't. You can't pay bills with them unless you sell them. They aren't able to make a living shooting tac rifle matches. In fact, most matches of this type do not have cash payouts.
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no kidding, and people are crying over the price of a decent optic
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This thread title needs to be changed and the guys making comments, assumptions, and statements about this sport should spend some time on Sniper's Hide and Tactical Matches.com forum and educate themselves. Fact: The competitors on that list are not snipers with the exception of a few names. The competitions that they and I participate in are not branded "sniper" matches, they are precision rifle matches. Not all of the shooters on that list are sponsored. 95% of the names on that list have normal everyday 9-5 jobs and MIGHT get a discount on barrels, bullets, brass. No companies are writing me checks and I'm in $10k this past year for travel, barrels, brass, bullets, powders, equipment and entry fees.
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Since the Original Poster got those table from this post A nice list of what equipment the top Precision Rifle Series long range shooters used in 2012.
It seems strange he would use such a misleading thread title here. If you want to read through the discussion at that link it talks all about this particular competition. |
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