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Old 01-10-2018, 6:59 PM
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Just thought Iíd wet some appetites...

I saw the CMP had some Winchesters up for sale again and since I missed the boat last time I wouldnít miss it again. Iím super stoked actually, itís hard to express it over text. But, itís actually exactly what I wanted. Early 6 digit and GI wood.









Some WRA parts. No stamp visible on the barrel. Maybe after I tear it down Iíll find the maker.

EDIT: So I learned something new today. Apparently Winchester didnít stamp a serial on the barrel. It just has a circle ďWĒ with a ďP.Ē

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Awesome!! I love the Winchesters. I spy a USGI stock and lock bar sights....I think you have a winner.
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Awesome!! I love the Winchesters. I spy a USGI stock and lock bar sights....I think you have a winner.


Yes indeed. Some SA parts on it but CMP has shown me much love. Well worth the price. Glad they arenít following the herd like JG and Simpsons on pricing.
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Lock the op rod back and take a close careful look at the barrel between the stock and rear handguard. Look for a small oval with a W in it...
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Lock the op rod back and take a close careful look at the barrel between the stock and rear handguard. Look for a small oval with a W in it...


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Remove the upper hand guard, at the 12 o'clock position on the barrel you will find Winchester roll marks. Outstanding Rifle You got there!! Congratulations.
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Lock the op rod back and take a close careful look at the barrel between the stock and rear handguard. Look for a small oval with a W in it...
Not your first time around one of these, huh? Well done.
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Boom!

Man you scored on this one. Now look at the left side of the stock in bright sunlight and tilt it back and forth to get the right light angle. You may find faint remnants of a cartouche as well.

Beware removal of the rear handguard, it's not as easy as it looks, and sometimes ends in catastrophe-getting it off or putting it back on. You have a WRA barrel-verified, so proceed at risk.
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Now take a look at the "UP/DOWN, LEFT/RIGHT" arrows on the windage and elevation knobs. Are the arrows open on the back (not pointed) end or closed?
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Now take a look at the "UP/DOWN, LEFT/RIGHT" arrows on the windage and elevation knobs. Are the arrows open on the back (not pointed) end or closed?




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^^ Springfield..... but still cool that it had the lock bar sight.
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The barrels, nor any other parts, have serial numbers on them. The ONLY serial number on an M1 rifle is the number on the receiver heel. The other numbers are drawing, or part numbers. You have a lot to learn.
Great score on your rifle.
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Very nice rifle. There have been some nice ones from this release
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That stock and finish look very promising as original Winchester.

More pictures and hell of a score.
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Nice winchester logo, never liked the machining tooling marks, barrel should be marked wra next to pt. Number and date on barrel.
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Nice OP that is a real catch of a Garand. The sight and the serial number.
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Nice op! I can never get tired of seeing these....All it makes me want to do is buy another one!
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Awesome- well done sir!
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Nice winchester logo, never liked the machining tooling marks, barrel should be marked wra next to pt. Number and date on barrel.
No revision code, no date stamp on WWII era WRA barrels. Only the basic part number and mfg. id-"D35448W.R.A." on top, and the WP proof mark in an oval on the side. The very large punch mark on the side is believed to be some "in process" inspection stamp. It is too large to be the "fabled" Winchester punch mark, which was actually a penetrator mark from a hardness test.

Hence my caution about removing the rear handguard to see nothing more than a part number.....which we already know from the side markings is legit.

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Sofbak beat me too it and is absolutely right as rain.
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Thank you Softbak and others who helped me understand more about these rifles. I shall soon be obtaining books to further educate myself on the firearms I buy.

Couple things I learned are:
Winchester barrels donít show the number on the side like Springfields.
Also, never knew about lock bar sights. Appears mine are the type 2 which is more squared then the rounded first gen.
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Were you able to identify any cartouches on the stock?
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^^^^ No cartouches noticeable... yet.
I just see a stamped ďRAĒ so Iím assuming itís just a rearsenal mark.
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^^RA=Raritan Arsenal

Any electro-engraving on a receiver leg, like RA over a month/year date?
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The difference between type II and type III lock bars is not governed by round or square end on the bar. What differentiates them is the machining, or lack thereof, on the underside of the bar. There are indeed square end type II's and round end type III's.
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Any electro-engraving on a receiver leg, like RA over a month/year date?


Receiver leg?
Is this the ďtangĒ or something else?

Picture would help.
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It would certainly be nice to acquire a Winchester and an IHC to round out the "collection.." That and maybe 10 more spam cans of HXP ammo. I represent the 5% of Garand collectors that doesn't reload and doesn't care much about the meanings of tiny markings hidden all over the parts. No offense intended to you experts!

That is a nice score OP..
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Receiver leg?
Is this the “tang” or something else?

Picture would help.
Something like this
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Something like this


Thanks hunting,
Here it is:
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Here it is:
He means the area in his pic that says RRAD 8-66.

Op, congrats on the barreled receiver score. Don't worry too much about cracking the handguard, not original. Of course that serial would have shipped with flush nut rear sight and front sight screw seal.

Interesting it appears to have been annealed, also.

Again, nice score.
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yeah it would be a little lower than that and look "electro penciled" as opposed to punched or stamped
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Nice pick-up, OP. Looks like a great example. And you just can’t beat the price, right??

Is that an “annealing line” on the receiver, or just the lighting?

When I attended the Advanced Maintence Class at CMP last October, on the facility tour we were shown a huge bin filled with lock-bar rear sight takeoffs. Literally hundreds and hundreds.

More than a few of us in the group wondered what that bin would be worth at current eBay/GunBroker prices, haha!!
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Is that an ďannealing lineĒ on the receiver, or just the lighting?

A buddy leads me to believe its the lead annealing they did to solve some receiver cracking issue they were having. The arsenal would soften the steel to make it less brittle since the long-held belief was they were cracking from the bolt slamming into it.

They started doing this in 1943. But, this receiver is dated for June 1941. So it couldíve been annealed when it went to Raritan.
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Receivers were annealed long before '43. The annealing was done at SA and Winchester. It was not a part of the rebuild program.
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Very nice.
Had I known they were selling Winchesterís again I would have bought one. Sold out 1/6/18. I guess I need to watch their site more often.
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Very nice.
Had I known they were selling Winchester’s again I would have bought one. Sold out 1/6/18. I guess I need to watch their site more often.
They didn't send out the usual email blast? I guess I missed it if they did.
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They didn't send out the usual email blast? I guess I missed it if they did.


I get their emails but didnít see anything about WRA sales.
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