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View Poll Results: Should Calguns.net and the Caslguns Community Endorse Bob Lindsey for LA Sheriff?
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Old 02-10-2018, 12:26 AM
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This evening I and much of the CGSSA Board had dinner with Bob Lindsey and had a chance to talk to him about 2A rights, CCWs and his positions.

As many know Mr. Lindsey is pro-2A however we got a more in depth look at what that means tonight. Rather than go through the discussions we had I'm going to skip right to the 'TL;DR' version.

CCW; unless there is a legal reason (criminal record, Federal mental health prohibition, etc.) to deny it every citizen who applies should get a CCW. Shall issue.

2A rights; much of our discussion was not just recognizing 2A rights but ideas for protecting and expanding them in conjunction with 2A rights orgs.

Shooting Sports; again, much of the discussion was regarding how to expand the shooting sports through training, education and youth training programs.

I know there is some concern about can a challenger defeat an incumbent, I actually asked about this tonight. I have to say the answer I received made sense. Realistically Sheriff McDonnell is an incumbent in name only, he won the last election primarily due to the two top known 'names' were both facing jail time. Most of the press about him has been negative and frankly outside of people like us who follow these things most LA residents don't know who the Sheriff is. He is an incumbent without name recognition.

After my discussions with his campaign via email and spending the evening discussing the issues my personal opinion is that Mr. Lindsey is a candidate for LA Sheriff that we endorse and support.
However as I said when I started this forum, it's not up to me, this is a community effort and that means community input. So LA County Calgunners, cast your votes!
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A couple of things regarding this.

For those voting 'No' (cool, everyone has a right to an opinion and that's why I'm asking) can you post the reasoning behind your vote?
I'm not trying to 'out' anyone I want to hear the concerns and issues that lead to a no vote. Maybe I missed something and I'd like to know.
if you're not comfortable posting a PM works too.

Also, if we do end up supporting Mr. Lindsey it's going to mean more than just saying 'Yeah, he's cool vote for him'.
There would be requests to assist the campaign by depositing flyers and such at ranges and gun stores and other things.
If we decide to support him change will mean doing not just saying it or telling friends.
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I personally worked for Bob when he was a Commander and I was a Lieutenant. I can honestly say that he is a man of integrity and honor. He kept his word to me, even when his superior (Division Chief) didn’t like it. He stood by his decision and didn’t bow to pressure.

If I lived in LA County, I would vote for him without a second thought. If I lived closer, I would be actively involved in supporting his campaign.
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IF what you say about issuance of CCW, He's got my vote.
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Getting a pro 2A sherif in LA would be YUHGE

Doesn't directly help us in the Bay Area, but would certainly send a useful message...
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I personally worked for Bob when he was a Commander and I was a Lieutenant. I can honestly say that he is a man of integrity and honor. He kept his word to me, even when his superior (Division Chief) didn’t like it. He stood by his decision and didn’t bow to pressure.

If I lived in LA County, I would vote for him without a second thought. If I lived closer, I would be actively involved in supporting his campaign.
I'll add a second endorsement for Bob. He's been around for a long time and is quite skilled. He didn't roll over and follow the company line when Dr. Baca and Mr. Tanaka were driving the department off a cliff.
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Kess, can we merge our threads?

I have been speaking with Mr. Lindsey for quite some time.. and yes, those who live in LA county should really have a damn good reason for not supporting and voting for him. My wife and I are going to volunteer and spread the good word..

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what can folks outside of LA County do?
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what can folks outside of LA County do?
Perhaps financial support. Or at the very least talk to friends and family who live in LA county to look into and support Mr. Lindsay.

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I reached out to a very good LASD friend. His opinion is "Bob is a great candidate!" That's really all I have to go on as I don't run in those circles. However I do trust my friend's opinion/judgement.

IMHO anybody for Right to Carry and Will Issue would get my support.

Sadly, growing up and living here in the SanFernandoValley I'm sick of just "carrying" my Wallet, Keys and Phone.
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I met Bob for the first time this past Saturday. I am not an LA county resident, but I work for an agency that works closely with LASD. I am very interested in his victory. I will be telling my family and friends from LA county my opinion and asking for their votes for Bob. God speed!


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Me and my girlfriend will be voting for him...that`s for sure..how is he standing in the polls?..if there are any yet?
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He has the votes of myself and the wife.
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I wonder if everyone is ready to help get Bob voted in as LA County Sheriff?
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If he gets elected and does what he promises Kes, I'd probably move back to my LA office.
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https://www.facebook.com/BobForLAShe...2997386669091/

Good roundtable on ccw.. sorry if you do not use Facebook. I cannot get the raw video.

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There's no "maybe" or "bacon" options, poll fail.

Who are the other candidates and how have they been vetted?
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I believe he is the only canidate that openly suggests he endorses CCWs and shall issue if I'm correct...
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Kes,

Thanks for posting this.

I heard Bob Lindsey last Sunday on Larry Marino's Sunday show on AM870. I found the interview very compelling and I will be voting for Bob Lindsey. Glad to hear he is also in favor of 'shall issue' too.

Here is the radio interview from the Larry Marino show (also on Lindsey's campaign site). I urge everyone to check it out. Lindsey sounds like just what LASD needs right now.

https://soundcloud.com/sunday-mornin...02-11-18-seg-4
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He had me at "shall issue" and endorsements from his former colleagues on this forum solidifies my vote. Yes, I'll vote for him.
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And yes, Calguns should endorse him.
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Who are the other candidates and how have they been vetted?
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I believe he is the only canidate that openly suggests he endorses CCWs and shall issue if I'm correct...
So...we don't know and we haven't?

Got it.

I thought we would have learned more from past efforts and maybe not make the same mistakes over again.

Ah well.
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You should have a little more faith RSG.

The other candidates are the current Sheriff Jim McDonnell and Alex Villanueva.
We know the current Sheriff’s opinion on 2A rights, he’s not our friend.

Alex Villanueva had the following response to my question regarding the recent school shooting.

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Mr. Villanueva paid lip service to our rights but seems supportive of both the AW ban and the magazine ban.
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You should have a little more faith RSG.

The other candidates are the current Sheriff Jim McDonnell and Alex Villanueva.
We know the current Sheriff’s opinion on 2A rights, he’s not our friend.

Alex Villanueva had the following response to my question regarding the recent school shooting.



Mr. Villanueva paid lip service to our rights but seems supportive of both the AW ban and the magazine ban.
The old ". I respect the 2nd Amendment, but.........."

Sounds just like a typical anti gun democrat .
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You should have a little more faith RSG.
Direct answers will do better than faith in this case. I wasn't jabbing at you, just the generic comment that it "seemed" all good.

I will note, that message from the other candidate must have come after the question of endorsement here. It seems, by the info given, there is only one 2a candidate. But if we all knew that, why do we need a poll, a dinner etc?

You're going to get asked harder questions then this one and they often won't be coming from a friendly face. Steel sharpen steel.

Anyway. Let's do it. Lindsey for sheriff.
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I voted no in this poll because of his apparent stance on illegal immigrants in the jail system. He's lambasting McDonnell's co-operation with ICE agents and telling me that he doesn't feel that immigrants who have come here 'Illegally' and then committed crimes should be deported. I guess his policy is to support the local laws that he likes and to hell with federal law and those who violate it. While it shouldn't be the primary duty of local law enforcement to help enforce these federal laws it is their duty to assist federal agents when people choose to violate them. Come on Bob, you can't pick and chose what to enforce.
He does talk a good line in his Bio and Vision statements but I've heard a lot of this stuff before including from McDonnell (Who I didn't support! Hey, he's been running Long Beach PD for years and it is pretty damned corrupt as cities go!) so if he does get elected I guess we'll see whether it's just all talk and no action.
And I am saying all this as an immigrant and legal alien who came here with my parents from Canada in late 1956 after an eleven year wait to get entrance visas and also as a proud parent of an LASD deputy.
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I reached out to a very good LASD friend. His opinion is "Bob is a great candidate!" That's really all I have to go on as I don't run in those circles. However I do trust my friend's opinion/judgement.
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Rather than go through the discussions we had I'm going to skip right to the 'TL;DR' version.

CCW; unless there is a legal reason (criminal record, Federal mental health prohibition, etc.) to deny it every citizen who applies should get a CCW. Shall issue. "Self defense" will be sufficient Good Cause to issue a CCW.
To avoid confusion, since the sheriff can't change state law, I fixed it for ya.
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Suggestion: perhaps IT CGNers in and out of LA county (heck, even out of CA, out of USA....), could volunteer/donate IT help if Lindsey gets CGN's endorsement?

ETA: With LA county being so multiethnic and multicultural, CGNers who are fluent in other languages -- again, regardless of where they live -- could help translate fliers/webpages into other languages: Spanish, various Asian languages, Hebrew -- you name it, it is probably spoken by some community in LA county.

LA county is the most populous county in the state (>10M), with SD county a distant 2nd (3.4M).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._in_California

Heck, LA county is even more populous than 40 states!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

If we could win LA Co, it would be our most important (population, culturally, crime wise) win in the state so far, with a statewide, national and even international impact.

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Will/has the union endorse Lindsey?
very good question...this is the question that needs an answered..THE UNION SUPPORT...A.K.A...THE MONEY TRAIL!!!..how can we find out this information?
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He's got my vote.

It's true that he's not up against an entrenched incumbent. However, he is up against the all-powerful Democratic party machine of Los Angeles.

I will vote for him. I will volunteer for his campaign. I do so because it's better to fight than it is to do nothing and then whine about it, not because I expect him to win.
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I voted no in this poll because of his apparent stance on illegal immigrants in the jail system. ....
I understand your point on that. The fact is, all of California is controlled by the cheap labor / socialist / ethnic voting block Democratic machine. No one for sheriff is going to push back against that. That's just how it is. That problem won't be fixed unless Trump and ICE do something about it.

I hope everyone votes for Lindsey for sheriff. I promise you're not going to get any immigration enforcement from LASD under either of them. That's just reality here.
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My answer is no.

BUT! I really like him on 2A and CCW issues.

His stance on increasing transparency is to be lauded.

I still personally voted no because I personally feel like Alex Villanueva is a better choice.

He's a 2A propoent, critcized the CCW screw ups and has the same good things going for him - except better. And he's a Vet, but, here's the clincher, he also has better ideas on policing.

Just my 2 cents.

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I just saw his quote though - the "The status quo doesn’t work and doing nothing is not a solution. I respect the 2nd Amendment, but I have yet to see an argument in support of our endless supply of semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines. I also would like Congress to start funding mental health to the degree they claim is responsible for the carnage..."

I find this problematic, obviously. But he's also pro-CCW and wants to stream-line the issuance of them. He's not going to write any policy on detachable magazines as Sheriff, so his opinion on that is garbage, but it isn't here nor there. But bottom line, he's a cop, he has better ideas on policing. He's a strong supporter of the POA, a Vet, and that one quote is the only thing I've seen him say that was remotely against the 2A. I think he was playing politician after a school shooting.

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I do not live in the county so i did not vote. However Scott Jones got elected because of his alleged positive stance on CCW's. He has the highest revocation rate in the state but not the highest issuance rate from what I have been told. Arizona issued me a CCW and then Jones revoked mine without citing a written reason other than to threaten me with jail if i did not personally deliver it within 24 hours. I sent it back by mail and threatened a lawsuit if he did not reimburse me for my permit costs. The department sent me a check for the amount. I alerted Arizona and sent my Arizona permit back to them and they tried to contact Jones/his office and they refused to talk to the director of the Arizona unit in charge of CCWS. She called me and told me they were sending my permit back and i should receive my renewal at the appropriate time and i did. I had a federal team with state and county representatives come to my house eighteen months before and check my books, my weapons, my house, my gun closet and safe and they found nothing wrong. I have had an 03 collector's license for years. Still the sheriff's department refused to tell me why they revoked my CCW. As a republican i worked against Jones in the eastern part of Sacramento county whe he ran for Bera's office and will work against him again. He has been sued and lost lawsuits because of his conduct while in office as a sheriff. be careful what you vote for and check this man out very well. I do not need a CCW anymore but this sheriff made a life time opponent in me thanks to his policies after being elected. Do not make the same mistake. make this man put his statements in writing. Good luck. you might get lucky and have a good man or maybe not.

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No one for sheriff is going to push back against that. That's just how it is. That problem won't be fixed unless Trump and ICE do something about it.

... I promise you're not going to get any immigration enforcement from LASD under either of them. That's just reality here.
And that stance by a sheriff got Kate Steinle killed by shot in the back by a guy who had been deported MANY TIMES and released. And was found not guilty
If I have my choice between a "shall issue" or 'shall hand over to ICE' sheriff then that is a no brainer choice.
I hope it does not come down to that choice as he sounds like a reasonable candidate that I could financially help support.
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Will/has the union endorse Lindsey?
Who knows. They, ALADS (Association for Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs), do some pretty stupid stuff sometimes. They endorsed Brown for governor despite an uproar from the rank and file members. They’re talking about endorsing Villaragosa in the next election and many members are already upset about it.

They endorse a lot of democrats, much to the dismay of its members. The union for sergeants and lieutenants usually doesn’t endorse any candidates in the major elections.
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It has been the standard Calguns '2 weeks' (and a bit more) and the poll is showing a solid choice.

It's time to move forward with this.
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Hes got my vote
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If I have my choice between a "shall issue" or 'shall hand over to ICE' sheriff then that is a no brainer choice.
No sheriff in this state, certainly not in LA, is going to cooperate with ICE. I'm not following the details but I believe state law now makes it impossible for them to cooperate. Certainly no one running for sheriff of Los Angeles is going to be able to make a campaign promise to cooperate with ICE and have any chance of becoming sheriff.

In other words, as much as I wish it weren't the case, you don't have an option for a pro-deportation sheriff. What you do have is a choice between a no-issue sheriff and a almost-shall-issue sheriff. And that should be an easy choice for everyone here in CalGuns.
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