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In this wide world of compromises I think #4 buck is a good compromise over #00 for personal protection distances.
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Have fun OP, enjoy your ammo tests and new shotgun!
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GFOS Dublin is where I will be going to shoot. |
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Cheapest #00 buckshot I've found:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/177...shot-9-pellets Wish the #4 or #1 would price similarly |
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Midway lists the Estate shells at 2.46" long, and rated 1320fps. the S&B ones are 2.47" long, rated 1200fps (so probably less recoil).
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I am a little confused between buckshot and birdshot.....
Is the scale the same? or is there a #4 birdshot and a #4 buckshot? From what I was told, 00 is buckshot, up to 9 which is birdshot, but they are the same scale. Last edited by jimbo74; 02-16-2016 at 10:43 PM.. |
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They are very different:
#4 buck is .24" pellets, 21 of them per ounce. #4 bird is .13" pellets, 135 of them per ounce. The picture you posted above is birdshot. The buckshot will be specifically labeled "Buck" on the box. See here for more info: http://www.wilsonprecision.com/shotinfo.html And see this video for a a comparison in performance:
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I doubt if the 67% scale is correct anymore .. pic has been resized. |
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wow, so I went to 3 different stores today, and they all said it was the same scale...... Glad I didn't buy anything.....
2 of them were chain sporting goods stores, but the other was an actual gun store. |
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I'm not surprised you're having trouble finding it in stores, I don't recall ever really seeing any in stores either, although I've never specifically looked for it either. Should be able to buy it online no problem though.
Look for pictures of medium-sized animals on the box, rather than little squirrels and birds, that'll be a good indication. It will look something like this: That one sells for $0.65/shell from here:http://www.midwayusa.com/product/177...hot-27-pellets .
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ok, so I have found some in stores, now that I know a bit more what I am looking @.... Pretty sure GFOS Dublin, had this:
Hevi-Shot Hevi-Duty Home Defense Ammunition 12 Gauge 2-3/4" 13/16 oz #4 Buckshot https://media.midwayusa.com/producti...742/742866.jpg I didn't get that one, because I had no idea what I was looking at, and thought a name brand would be better, but I am learning, I don't know much What about liek the PDX1S and such HD specific loads? |
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PDX1 only makes slugs and slug/buckshot-combo loads I think. I've used the slug/buck combo shells before, and I like them, but they well penetrate walls like a mo-fo.
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Is there a better place to order ammo online? |
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Other good places to check: SGammo.com & targetsports.com
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Figured I would bump this rather than making a new thread.
I'm getting a 12ga shotgun soon, and live in a relatively small apartment. ~600sq.ft. If somebody breaks in through my front door they are maybe 10ft away from my bedroom door, if they break in through my sliding glass door they are maybe 25ft. There are apartments on all sides of me as well. What would be the best combination of stopping power and preventing overpenetration? From my reading, I'm leaning towards #4 buckshot, but does my relatively small area or short range mean that I should go with something lighter? edit: also, low recoil stuff. since the shotgun may be used by either myself or my fiancee, and she's a lot smaller than I am. Last edited by Snerk; 02-15-2016 at 7:55 PM.. |
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It's the old basics of knowing what's beyond your target. Open the doors and see if there's any possibility of a safe shot at someone standing in your doorway. If your neighbor's window, or busy street, or busy sidewalk, is in the direct line of fire, you need to come up with a plan B. |
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Behind my sliding glass door is a number of bushes and our fence, which does have some pallets up against it, but otherwise not much. After that, it's cars. Outside the bedroom window is nothing, just the parking lot. With cars. I have liability insurance so if there is an intruder or an ND, I am financially covered (for quite a bit of money), but I agree that because of my apartment's layout, discharging a firearm would be inadvisable. Not that it ever is advisable, but I think you understand. Realistically my thought was that for the $250 I paid OTD for the shotgun, it would make more sense to use that compared to the 9mm, even with 147gr JHPs. It's my hope that I never have to encounter such a scenario (especially at this apartment), and that if I do, that my presence alone would be enough. There's little opportunity for me to be quiet or tactical with only two rooms and a small area in my apartment as even the noise of me getting out of bed and grabbing the shotgun would be pretty obvious. Regardless, if the scenario arises, I'd rather do some simple drywall work rather than looking at a considerable amount more damage and liability than I have to. |
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That is why its #4 buck.......
I have read through tons of threads here, and some many opinions..... You are going to have to read all of them, and look what you are looking for... From what I read, #4 is going to have the best stopping power, AND the least busting through walls... Heck yeah a slug will stop someone if I hit them, but if I miss, it's going to keep going for awhile, through pretty much anything it feels like |
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3" 1200fps loads though, it shouldn't be completely ruled out. No, I won't use it... but it might suit someone's needs. Having shot plenty of 3" #4 turkey loads, I can tell you it definitely ain't your average bird shot. But it will probably still go through a wall. Realistically, anything that will kill a man will go through a wall. Anyways, I think OP is on the right track with #4 buck, we can probably let this thread die since he's already decided to go with it.
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No lasers? What a useless weapon. A suppressed Glock with a drum mag, several grenade launchers, shoulder brace, and a scope with a backup ACOG is neat, but completely useless without lasers.
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