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(10/27/2014): Gun Owner Defended by CGF Not Guilty of Federal Conspiracy Charge
http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/201...piracy-charge/
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Another victory for the right side.
Next! Congratulations CGF. -g
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Good Job!
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http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...le2613327.html Last edited by Tovarish; 10-27-2014 at 6:19 PM.. |
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^This? Also, I assume the cop was considered the co -conspirator. Was he also charged by the USAO?
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this court case is going to gain a lot more relevance once 1 Jan 2015 hits... just sayin' |
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A significant win for the buyers of any gun in CA, that precedes to follow the FFL transfer transactions (dealer transfer) rules. Buyers can not be imputed to know how a gun became available for PPT.
Another foundation brick laid toward eliminating the CA "safe" gun roster.
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I'm guessing; trying to figure out why this would lead to a charge. Last edited by sl0re10; 10-27-2014 at 6:42 PM.. |
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And conspiracy is a catchall for any alleged violation of law not support by facts.
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That's weird. Most FFLs fill out the details about the gun themselves.
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AB1964 notwithstanding, this case really is important in the context that as the transferee in a PPT transaction... I'd honestly have no idea (nor care) if the person selling the gun obtained it via LEO-exemption, familial transfer, or whatever...
I'm really curious to find out what exactly are the details of the "falsified" 4473 in this case. Even if the seller takes a profit, as is one's right in any "private" sale, that isn't grounds for a conspiracy charge. There isn't a whole lot to protect the buyer here if you can be accused of conspiracy just because a handgun you purchase via PPT is off-roster... |
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One can only wonder why he was not charged in this case... otoh one might wonder why there was any case at all. And I should add Congrats on the win to Mr. Kilmer and CGF Last edited by Sputnik; 10-27-2014 at 10:07 PM.. Reason: congrats added |
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A win is great, but I am upset with the jury taking so long to decide a no-brainer.
I would prefer a 1 hour decision that included 30 minutes to write a strongly worded statement about government overreach and prosecutorial misconduct.
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so what went wrong here? my brother in law which is a Deputy for LA county will sell me his LCP .308. Its too small for him and he made me an offer that is to good to pass up. Know after reading this I'm thinking twice. I thought that if we go through the proper channels all is good to go...not so sure now..
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So good to hear! Saw this on another source and had to pop in to say congrats. CalGuns is doing great things for the entire country, not just California.
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Congratulations to all involved.
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At one point in time I would have trouble believing it also, but not nowadays.
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Thanks to CalGuns Foundation and the efforts of attorney Donald Kilmer,
This family averted a completely unnecessary, ridiculous, and unconstitutional conviction that could have impacted their lives For Nothing. Ulysses S. Grant Early IV and Family: Kudos Gentlemen... Noble |
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Targeting actual criminals is so passé. Its far more interesting to prosecute the innocent.
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I'm a bit puzzled why the original buyer wasn't charged with the same thing. In Abramski, the original purchaser (the strawman) was the one arrested and charged. Cases like this bring into question any PPT performed legally. Ridiculous prosecution that completely goes against the intent of the laws.
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It is ridiculous that a case that seems very simple would take 4 weeks. Reading through the brief article it is a "well Duh" for anyone familiar with California gun laws.
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