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You won't get anywhere until something happens with the court case.
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So.....instead of getting actual help on how to properly fill out a document that I have the right to submit for an LTC, all I got was negative feedback and, "DON'T DO IT! You won't get anywhere!" crap...?? Really??
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To put it simply, WTF PEOPLE?!?!?!?!
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Everything is METTT-C Last edited by Mr Blu; 03-30-2012 at 11:53 AM.. |
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Settle down Mr Blu. We are all on your side. The difference is, we have all been wanting a SCC LTC from Sheriff Smith for quite some time now as well. The fact of the matter is that until we get movement on several court cases (Nordyke, Scocca, Richards, Peruta) there is pretty much 0% chance of you, me, or anyone else getting a LTC in Santa Clara County. We are just informing you of this fact.
Spend some time reading about these cases on the CGF website and you will see what I am talking about. Check here: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ also, the Mercury News published a list of current list of about 50 private citizen LTC holders in Santa Clara County. The list consisted of wealthy businessmen and individuals connected to Sheriff Smith. Are you of societal importance and wealth like these people? If not, my statements above to you are reinforced! (Edit: I tried to find the list but it appears that the Merc took it down) Read this thread too: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?p=7650317
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Also, if you are looking for help to fill out the document, go here. The CGF Sunshine Initiative has already spelled it out for you:
http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.p...ccw-initiative
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As of September 2011, Santa Clara County had 1.3 million adult residents and the Santa Clara County Sheriff had issued 55 CCW's to people who aren't LEO's or judges. You do the math. It'd probably be more productive to spend the application fees (if they'll even accept an application) on lottery tickets. Maybe you'll win enough money to move to a county that issues CCW's to ordinary people. CGF already has active litigation against Santa Clara County over the CCW issue, with a plaintiff who was carefully selected to have good cause and a clean background. What more do you think they should be doing? You have a right to fill out the paperwork to run for a Senate seat, too. Do you need help with that, as well?
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I asked for help. What I got was people saying "No. Don't do it." I didn't ask if I SHOULD. I asked HOW. The statistics that you mentioned don't matter. It's the fact that I want to, have the ability to, and asked for help on how to do it. Everyone has completely missed the point of what I was asking, and why I got pissed. But if you really want to use your statistics, 55 people that aren't judges or LEO's, got theirs. So apparently, it isn't a waste of time after all.
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What people are hearing is you want to fill it out successfully (such that you will succeed). Thus what everyone is answering is "well, you can't do it successfully right now."
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No offense, but people are trying to save you time and money, and you're acting like an ignorant child and shouting in their face because you dont like what they're saying. No one can tell you how to correctly fill out the forms, its specific to you. But it has been said over and over that if you are denied, it will be even more difficult to get a CCW if u decide to reapply. Thats why everyone is telling you to stop and wait until something changes and your chances of getting the permit go up. But than again, you probably wont listen and will still apply. Hopefully you'll be person 56 out of 1.3 million.
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So I agree that it is unlikely to result in issuance, but I disagree that applying is actually harmful (aside from the cash aspect) in any way.
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-Brandon
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So, applying won't be a complete waste of time, energy, and won't be a factor against me, should I get denied and reapply later???
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It'll just be a waste of money. Having just been denied in a neighboring county I'm not sorry I applied, but it was definitely a frustrating experience. I am still waiting to appeal.
Take the advice given and wait unless you have extraordinary cause. If you need help filling out the form, all the info you need is on the CGF website. Links were given to you above. |
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Go ahead and submit. It won't hurt you later and we're all interested to see if they will even accept your application. My guess is they won't take it.
Let us know what happens.
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Go ahead and submit. It won't hurt you later and we're all interested to see if they will even accept your application. My guess is they won't take it.
Let us know what happens.
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If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
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You are correct, they can't deny a person from applying....
The problem is, they are. If you had read some of the thread links I posted above you would have seen that is exactly what our Sheriff Smith's office is doing. You walk in with your application and they tell you they won't take it due to pending lawsuits. So, please, go ahead and try. I for one want to see if they have changed that practice since the veiled threats from the CGF in the last Scocca hearing.
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I can say this... there could be a run on their offices, if it gets out they're accepting apps [again]. Especially if they are issuing.
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I think I’ll donate a million dollars to the local orphanage…
When pigs fly! So, will you be donating that million dollars now Sir? Mmm…no, I’d still prefer not to.
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Mr Blu,
I own a check cashing business and travel with LOTS of cash. There are multiple crews actively robbing stores just like mine. One owner was murdered on the streets of Willow Glen, same bank I used to frequent. I was told to go F myself when I asked about a LTC. If you think you got a better good cause statement, go for it. Let me warn you, you are in for an experience that will make you consider bashing your head into a wall with all the games they play if you apply. |
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IIRC, there was a bill passed last year that said the SO must provide a written explanation (not detailed) why they are rejecting you.
This, combined with the court's complaint of a lack of standing, suggests we could use a small "fire drill", preferably with vetted applicants. yes, per Gene, institutional standing is irrelevant... But assuming the expense were not too high, it appears to be a good idea. In my experience, half of winning an argument is in eliminating excuses. unfortunately, I believe I cannot volunteer: I have a lack of unique need, and I may be moving out of state in 60-90 days.
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I actually have a unique and legitimate need (GC), at least in my opinion. I emailed this to Brandon last week and am hoping he has the time to look at it. I will be submitting this to Sheriff Smith soon but I was hoping to be of some use to the CGF in the meantime. A fire drill of vetted applicants sounds like a good idea. I'll go first...
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I live in SCC and I won't bother applying, I don't have any GC statement other than "Self defense" and I already know with 100% certainty I will not get it. I'm waiting for either the sheriff to change or for the sheriff to be forced into compliance by a new law or court order or something. If you want to make a go of it, go for it, please let us know how it turns out.
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I figure I would try to apply in person 1st and if they declined to accept my application I would then send via certified mail. Any thoughts on this?
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This would be a good idea. If you have record of sending the application to them via USPS and they send you a denial to apply or ignore the application I would say that is against the law and you have proof of their negligence. If enough of us had these denials or ignored applications we may be able to build a case. I would be willing to do the same, though the only GC I have is personal protection for me and my family.
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Yes, I will. I contacted the Sheriff's office and had a long conversation with the Public Information Officer, a sergeant in the department. He told me that they are not accepting CCW applications at the direction of county counsel. He said that due to pending lawsuits they are in the process of revising their procedures for CCW applications. They expect to complete this effort and resume accepting applications by the end of 2012.
I informed him that their refusal to accept my application and provide an approval or denial within 90 days was in violation of State law and that I have a legitimate GC and am at personal risk due to a situation outlined in my GC. He said sorry, this is not the Sheriff's decision and is the direction of County counsel. I am going to send my application in via certified mail next and will see what happens. Brandon, if you read this, I sent you an email last Friday 7/20. If you have the time, I would appreciate hearing back from you.
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By the way, don't get too excited. I don't think this is going anywhere positive anytime soon.
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Next steps since the news on Scoca (sp?)?
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Wait until SCOTUS rules on carry in public. Then wait until Richards is ruled on. Then wait until Sacramento-like "shall issue" (i.e., interminable delays, insistence on performing interviews, etc.) is litigated (all the way to SCOTUS, I'd wager). Then wait until arbitrary license restrictions are litigated (again, probably all the way to SCOTUS). There may be further issues that need litigation beyond that, depending on the ingenuity of the enemy (something I am determined to not underestimate).
In short, figure another 5 to 10 years, realistically. Of course, some will call me a pessimist. Funny how things haven't proven me to be such so far...
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