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Old 08-28-2014, 11:32 PM
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I'm going to be selling a .177 pellet air gun. Are there any laws I should be careful to be compliant with in CA? Should I handle it like a firearm, with a transfer form and recording buyer's ID?

Should I take one look at the thicket of red tape I'm heading for and run screaming for the hills?

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Old 08-28-2014, 11:37 PM
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Like black powder guns, I don't think there are any restrictions on selling a pellet/BB gun. But what do I know- I'm just a guy on the interwebs...
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Old 08-28-2014, 11:43 PM
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not talking about the OP, but it's so sad that the people of California even need to ask about the legality of selling a pellet gun. holy ****.
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Well I mean this is CA and people want to cover their ***. When you say pellet are these the plastic ones or lead pellets? I'm just imagining you selling to a little kid and the parents decide to sue if harm comes from it.
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I have my kid's Red Ryder in my truck box. It's loaded with BB's. I wonder now if that's legal. Seriously.



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Old 08-29-2014, 1:51 AM
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Well I mean this is CA and people want to cover their ***. When you say pellet are these the plastic ones or lead pellets? I'm just imagining you selling to a little kid and the parents decide to sue if harm comes from it.
a pellet is a lead projectile, BB's are the copper or whatever and the plastic ones are airsoft.
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CA restrictions...
Can not sell to a minor (person under the age of 18). [PC 19910]
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Old 08-29-2014, 9:14 AM
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I'm going to be selling a .177 pellet air gun. Are there any laws I should be careful to be compliant with in CA? Should I handle it like a firearm, with a transfer form and recording buyer's ID?

Should I take one look at the thicket of red tape I'm heading for and run screaming for the hills?

Any feedback will be much appreciated.
You might take one look at google...

You might also think of the "thicket of red tape" when you buy one at your local sporting goods store...

Read Quiet's post above this.

Unbelievable, as well as a waste of bandwidth.
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:17 AM
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Thanks for the responses, everyone. Yes, the regulatory atmosphere in CA is complex, lots of people don't know the difference between air guns and firearms, and you can't be too careful. I'm doing my due diligence, knowing the law is my responsibility.

I know selling a pellet gun is legal, or at least I'm 99% sure. I do not know if some weird laws have been passed I don't know about, or if there are record keeping requirements. This is why I turned to the Calguns brain trust.

Google was not much help regarding transfers, mostly it pulled up the fictional 'CA bill 1984', which was a prank.

The only regulation I've learned of with air gun sales is age restriction. I'd follow that if there were no such law, it's just common sense. I'll also record the buyer's ID just in case something bad happens and someone comes looking for liability money.

This is about a lead pellet firing match gun, the IZH-46m. Being a single shot breech loader with no magazine, and being about as fast to operate as a black powder gun, it's not very threatening, but CA is a magical land where anything can happen.

While checking this out I found a Calguns thread regarding plinking in one's backyard with an air gun in CA. There were examples of cops being called, and there are city and county ordinances that ban discharge of any weapon, lead or plastic projectile, air or spring powered, in that area. Knowing federal and state law is not enough. The person telling the story didn't get arrested, he was lucky.

Out here, at least in or near the big cities, just showing knowledge of firearms laws is enough to make you a social pariah and cause otherwise civil folks to call you a 'murderer' who 'shoots up the neighborhood' (actual quotes said to me). This is always followed up with 'Sooo, how many guns do you own?', and there's no good answer. If you say zero, you're a liar, if you give a number, you're a 'psycho gun nut'. It is a 100% polarized issue and an adult discussion is simply not possible. This is the environment I live in, you bet I am going to be careful.

In the rest of the state, it's more sane. I've been in a rural farm supply store and seen a really nice display of Daisy air gun products, directed at teaching young people responsible safe shooting - there's even bb rifles with pink furniture for the young ladies. Clearly a different atmosphere prevails out there, though the many state laws still apply.

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testcode, I feel your pain.
You are wise to seek such answers prior. As you are aware, many aspects of life in Statist California can be rife with problems. I use an adult air rifle to clean out the ground squirrels in our fruit tree orchard, located on several acres of an unincorporated section of ******** county. I must however, be very careful to never let any of the neighbors observe this, as some might become very excited and yelling "man with a gun". Dealing with the response would likely be very unpleasant at minimum.
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not talking about the OP, but it's so sad that the people of California even need to ask about the legality of selling a pellet gun. holy ****.
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I can understand someone owning a single shot pellet gun for target shooting, however there is no way people have any need to own one of these military style multi pellet fully semi-automatic assault air guns. They are scary weapons of war and have no business in our neighborhoods.
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a pellet is a lead projectile, BB's are the copper or whatever and the plastic ones are airsoft.
BBs are copper plated steel. Easy to pick up with a magnet after they spill on the floor. Just make sure who you sell it to is over 18 and has a IQ high enough not to hurt themselves with it.
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a pellet is a lead projectile, BB's are the copper or whatever and the plastic ones are airsoft.
You can find 6mm bbs for Airsoft in metal, usually aluminum.
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+1 for they have to be over 18. That's all I've ever seen, but yeah, I feel you on the paranoia.

My boys shoot Airsoft in the house with the blinds closed... It's a shame really that it's come to this.
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Maybe check for any extra county or municipal codes for your area. Other than that, it's legal to sell to anyone over 18. You can even ship them across state lines without any hassle provided it's to a place that is legal to own airguns. Pretty much any liberal stronghold will have restrictions. E.G. San Francisco, Sacramento, Los Angeles, New York City, New Jersey, Illinois, and Massachusetts are just some examples off the top of my head. I have purchased, and sold air rifles online a few times.
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I hope that Bobby's comment was tongue in cheek. Otherwise it's such a ridiculous statement that it doesnb't deserve to be aired.
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here's an interesting link about how federal law has prevented our wonderful California legistlature from regulating bb and pellet guns like they do airsoft:

http://www.beemans.net/airguns_prote..._state_reg.htm

Which I found the link for in this:

http://fullyautomaticairgun.blogspot.com/
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You might take one look at google...

You might also think of the "thicket of red tape" when you buy one at your local sporting goods store...

Read Quiet's post above this.

Unbelievable, as well as a waste of bandwidth.
Why so much vitriol? If you don't want to answer the OP's question, then don't answer it.

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I can understand someone owning a single shot pellet gun for target shooting, however there is no way people have any need to own one of these military style multi pellet fully semi-automatic assault air guns. They are scary weapons of war and have no business in our neighborhoods.
I have to admit you got me on this. Made me laugh. Then get embarrassed at self as so gullible

I will watch out for you, Bobby R.
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Out here, at least in or near the big cities, just showing knowledge of firearms laws is enough to make you a social pariah and cause otherwise civil folks to call you a 'murderer' who 'shoots up the neighborhood' (actual quotes said to me). This is always followed up with 'Sooo, how many guns do you own?', and there's no good answer. If you say zero, you're a liar, if you give a number, you're a 'psycho gun nut'. It is a 100% polarized issue and an adult discussion is simply not possible. This is the environment I live in, you bet I am going to be careful.

In the rest of the state, it's more sane. I've been in a rural farm supply store and seen a really nice display of Daisy air gun products, directed at teaching young people responsible safe shooting - there's even bb rifles with pink furniture for the young ladies. Clearly a different atmosphere prevails out there, though the many state laws still apply.
It is truly shameful what much of this state has become. I am 52 years old and spent the first 23 years of my life in suburban southern California. Back then, things were quite different. BB guns and .22 rifles were rites of passage for young people and nobody wet their pants and called 911 if they saw some kids walking down the street carrying rifles. In fact, 911 didn't even exist then.

I friend who still lives there tells me it is now illegal to shoot a BB gun at a cardboard box in the back yard. Sad.

I have been in rural Nor Cal for nearly 30 years. No restrictions on shooting or openly carrying where I live. Everyone owns firearms. There is no stigma associated with gun ownership. I can shoot in my yard. I can go for a walk with a rifle slung over my shoulder. Waterfowl and upland hunters abound.

Yes, the TSC store has a big Daisy airgun display right by the checkout. They don't sell firearms, but there is a gun store right next door and 3 more within a mile.

I know it isn't much consolation for you people stuck in the nanny enclaves, but there are places where California still exists.
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Just for kicks.. when you do sell the gun and the buyer hands you the cash, just start cackling like crazy and then run away like the sky is falling. Then leave him a neutral feedback saying he was awkward and kept giving you a frightening gaze like he wanted to eat your face.
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Just for kicks.. when you do sell the gun and the buyer hands you the cash, just start cackling like crazy and then run away like the sky is falling. Then leave him a neutral feedback saying he was awkward and kept giving you a frightening gaze like he wanted to eat your face.
Only after having "Goodbye Horses" start blasting on your cellphone and blaming the buyer for it.
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You mean the "People's Republic of California"? Been heading this way for a while.
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You might take one look at google...

You might also think of the "thicket of red tape" when you buy one at your local sporting goods store...

Read Quiet's post above this.

Unbelievable, as well as a waste of bandwidth.
Waste of a bandwidth is replying to something with rude comments when the question has already been answered. That is if you are truly concerned about bandwidth, which I bet you weren't. You just wanted to pour more salt into a wound.
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