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Old 11-09-2018, 10:22 PM
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The plight of the gunowners has reach ground zero. With the election of Gavin Newsome as Governor, things are going to get darker, much darker. He has no filter, no fail safe mechanism. No limits.
The people of this state want men like Newsome, itís not about law and order. Itís who can be the most extreme leftist. Who can tell Trump to **** off, thumb their nose at the law. Who take the rights of a despised minority like gunowners and wrap them, bind them, make the Second Amendment so difficult to exercise that people give up their guns or leave the state.
Bring on your laws Newscum, make them as draconian as possible. Give us a legal version of Armageddon, take away the AR15, pistols, bolt actions. Go nuclear Gavin, and see what happens in the Courts. Make the despised minority angry,
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On my way out of this state. Headed to Texas or Arizona. Whoever gives me the better job offer if where I will go.
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On my way out of this state. Headed to Texas or Arizona. Whoever gives me the better job offer if where I will go.
In both states you're only putting off the inevitable. Cruz barely won, and in AZ they are stealing the victory.
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The plight of the gunowners has reach ground zero. With the election of Gavin Newsome as Governor, things are going to get darker, much darker. He has no filter, no fail safe mechanism. No limits.
The people of this state want men like Newsome, it’s not about law and order. It’s who can be the most extreme leftist. Who can tell Trump to **** off, thumb their nose at the law. Who take the rights of a despised minority like gunowners and wrap them, bind them, make the Second Amendment so difficult to exercise that people give up their guns or leave the state.
Bring on your laws Newscum, make them as draconian as possible. Give us a legal version of Armageddon, take away the AR15, pistols, bolt actions. Go nuclear Gavin, and see what happens in the Courts. Make the despised minority angry,

Your not seeing the big picture. It is all about how much money you have. Once the legislature makes new gun laws it will take money to overturn them. The legislature knows this. Look at the recent prop 6 failure. Prop 6 was defeated by big union money and disinformation by the way it was intentionally presented in the ballot creating confusion. Not one commercial on TV for prop 6. Prop 6 was outspent by its enemies. It is as simple as that. Money talks, the bull**** walks. The bottom line: If you don't have big money to fight the laws in California then the Constitution will not be on your side. It takes money to fight for your rights. Lately, the supreme court has been turning down making decisions on the 2nd amendment. The recent shootings have not helped. It is a mess. Your best move is to move out of California.

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Why can't we judge "shop" like the dems to stop this chit?
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While the Constitution may be on our side, what will we loose while we wait 5-10 years for things to progress through the courts?
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RKBA clock moved right. We have Kavanaugh, we have Newsome. Things are polarized. We are at one minute to midnight.
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"It's a Goddamned piece of paper" so a famous poll once said here. It only holds power if people follow it.

Your average 18 year old programmed kid would throw it out as fast as a text if they could.
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There is a National War between the Urban mind and the Rural Mind. The Urban mind wants to be coddled and made safe by every law imaginable, in their asphalt jungles. The Rural mind is self-actuating and knows that Liberty and Freedom only prospers in an environment of self responsibility and not in a State of Authority. My people founded this Country with their blood, removed the British Autocratic Rule and tasted Freedom, the left does not even teach this history in our schools, rather teaching eurotrash Karl Marx instead of Thomas Paine.

Until we teach our young about Freedom and Liberty the Urbanites will continue down the path of their own doom, Marxism does not work, ever.

Anyone who believes that Government should provide for them instead they themselves, is doomed.
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The plight of the gunowners has reach ground zero. With the election of Gavin Newsome as Governor, things are going to get darker, much darker. He has no filter, no fail safe mechanism. No limits.
The people of this state want men like Newsome, itís not about law and order. Itís who can be the most extreme leftist. Who can tell Trump to **** off, thumb their nose at the law. Who take the rights of a despised minority like gunowners and wrap them, bind them, make the Second Amendment so difficult to exercise that people give up their guns or leave the state.
Bring on your laws Newscum, make them as draconian as possible. Give us a legal version of Armageddon, take away the AR15, pistols, bolt actions. Go nuclear Gavin, and see what happens in the Courts. Make the despised minority angry,
I like his new name Newscum, you got some Trumpy naming talent.

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"It's a Goddamned piece of paper" so a famous poll once said here. It only holds power if people follow it.

Your average 18 year old programmed kid would throw it out as fast as a text if they could.
you're right when so many young people are favoring Socialism. Ocasio Cortez winning only shows the direction of the Democratic Party.

It should be renamed to the Socialist Democratic Party of America.
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The constitution has either allowed this, or been powerless to prevent it. I fear we are passing the point where anything short of bloodshed will be the end result. We are becoming more and more polarized. People are moving to where their politics are acceptable. The Balkanization of the US should scare the crap out of all of us. What happened in the former Yugoslavia is our warning, and our lesson.

But the left won’t quit, and I’m not preaching that we should submit to their tyranny, so it is what it is.
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In both states you're only putting off the inevitable. Cruz barely won, and in AZ they are stealing the victory.
many are moving due the high cost of living. For it that is the reason when I retire I have to move to Texas or Oklahoma.

The people here are sheep no either. They are blind and we can thank the schools for indoctrinating them to accept this crap.
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So the Constitution is on our side? Is that supposed to be a comfort?

Ask yourself: does California side with the Constitution?

You know the answer.
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So the Constitution is on our side? Is that supposed to be a comfort?

Ask yourself: does California side with the Constitution?

You know the answer.
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In both states you're only putting off the inevitable. Cruz barely won, and in AZ they are stealing the victory.

True to a degree. Arizona is troubling. Texas not as much. Abbot won the governor by a large margin. Cruz isnít the most beloved guy and beta had $70 million of outside money to hide a lot of who he was and what he stood for.

Besides, the way to look at things is that both Arizona and Texas are decades from where California was 25 years ago. If you recall, the first AW ban was 1989. Weíve had dros and waits for handguns for ever and for rifles since what, 2000 I think. Or was it 1991? Itís been so long I canít even recall.

Both states have a much more broad and deep firearms culture and history. So, even many democrats and so called liberals are firearms owners. They vote on a variety of other issues. Stupid I agree, but it would be a looooooooong time until either state gets to where we were 25 years ago.

Both states are shall issue. Arizona is even more so, with constitutional carry. Thatís a recent law. So they have been heading in the right direction recently, not towards us.

Is it possible? Sure. But in my lifetime, would I expect anything to happen dramatically in Texas? No. Republicans still control all state offices. Even if a democrat would gain office, it would be a political death sentence to push for gun control. It would take time, much time, before talking about it wasnít a political death sentence, then much time before anything got enacted. Maybe 30-40 years from now, but who knows.

I suspect the threats nationally will be far greater to Texans gun rights than from w thin the state.

And besides, at my age, by the time Texas started, just started, down the road to kalifornia, Iíll be dead. But, I have just a few years left at work. Hopefully quite a few more left to live. I plan on seeing a lot of Texas, and not as a tourist.



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True to a degree. Arizona is troubling. Texas not as much. Abbot won the governor by a large margin. Cruz isnít the most beloved guy and beta had $70 million of outside money to hide a lot of who he was and what he stood for.

Besides, the way to look at things is that both Arizona and Texas are decades from where California was 25 years ago. If you recall, the first AW ban was 1989. Weíve had dros and waits for handguns for ever and for rifles since what, 2000 I think. Or was it 1991? Itís been so long I canít even recall.

Both states have a much more broad and deep firearms culture and history. So, even many democrats and so called liberals are firearms owners. They vote on a variety of other issues. Stupid I agree, but it would be a looooooooong time until either state gets to where we were 25 years ago.

Both states are shall issue. Arizona is even more so, with constitutional carry. Thatís a recent law. So they have been heading in the right direction recently, not towards us.

Is it possible? Sure. But in my lifetime, would I expect anything to happen dramatically in Texas? No. Republicans still control all state offices. Even if a democrat would gain office, it would be a political death sentence to push for gun control. It would take time, much time, before talking about it wasnít a political death sentence, then much time before anything got enacted. Maybe 30-40 years from now, but who knows.

I suspect the threats nationally will be far greater to Texans gun rights than from w thin the state.

And besides, at my age, by the time Texas started, just started, down the road to kalifornia, Iíll be dead. But, I have just a few years left at work. Hopefully quite a few more left to live. I plan on seeing a lot of Texas, and not as a tourist.



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I remember when Texas was blue in fact it was about this state flipped to blue. It was that long ago I think about 92 or so it went red.

I agree neither state is anywhere near what are today. It would take a massive switch in demographics to change either one. Both AZ and TX have 2A protections where we do not and they will be pretty non existent by next year or 2020. I give us less than 4 years and 2A will be effectively dead unless a good SCOTUS case changes things dramatically.

Like you I only have less than 10 years left until I retire it's too soon for me to move and get a decent retirement. It's either Oklahoma or Northern Texas not sure where yet though.
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Having spend most of my adult life in local law enforcement, I spent a bit of time in various courts. Never forget the time I was in federal court court in LA when an attorney tried to correct the judge and explain the law to him. The judge was furious and told the attorney "in this court, the law is what I say it is".

The point being the law is what those folks in black robes say it is, not what those here believe it to be, or what they think it should be.

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And if we are being earnest in our objectives, going to court only provides the semblance of being civil and courteous with those who aim to abridge the right to bear arms. At some point, supporting and defending the constitution will require flesh and blood- it is our opponents that continue to deny this probability.
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Your average 18 year old programmed kid would throw it out as fast as a text if they could.
Yep... twitter taglines "Constitution? 9 out of 10 ain't bad."
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Having spend most of my adult life in local law enforcement, I spent a bit of time in various courts. Never forget the time I was in federal court court in LA when an attorney tried to correct the judge and explain the law to him. The judge was furious and told the attorney "in this court, the law is what I say it is".

The point being the law is what those folks in black robes say it is, not what those here believe it to be, or what they think it should be.
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I remember when Texas was blue in fact it was about this state flipped to blue. It was that long ago I think about 92 or so it went red.
Keeping in mind that in the Kennedy era, liberal Democrats made today's Republicans look like communists.

Johnson's Great Society was the "New Deal 2.0" that drove the final nail into the country's coffin.
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