CA DOJ RELEASES FIRST SET OF PROPOSED AMMUNITION SALES REGULATIONS

[Packy14]

Originally Posted by TruOil

The one caveat is that you have to actually be in the business of buying and selling to others, not just for your own collecting purposes. It's not a high barrier, but one that one must abide at the risk of losing the license.

I've had it for 9 years and never even purchased anything.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by TruOil

The one caveat is that you have to actually be in the business of buying and selling to others, not just for your own collecting purposes. It's not a high barrier, but one that one must abide at the risk of losing the license.

I’ll just leave this here.

Important Notice to Applicants for Federal Firearms License (FFL)
(This does not apply if you are submitting an application for a type 03 license ONLY)

• To receive a license as a dealer (including pawnbrokers & gunsmiths), importer, or manufacturer of firearms, you must intend to engage in a firearms business.

[FrankMo]

The Department will hold two public hearings to receive public comments on the proposed regulatory action. The hearings will be held at the following dates, times and locations:

January 29, 2019, 10:00 am – 12:00 pm
Ronald Reagan State Building
300 S. Spring Street
Los Angeles, CA 90013

January 31, 2019, 1:00 pm – 3:00 pm
Resources Building Auditorium
1416 9th Street
Sacramento, California

Each location is wheelchair accessible.

Any interested person or their authorized representative may submit written comments relevant
to the proposed regulatory action. The written comment period closes at 5:00 p.m. on January 31, 2019. Only comments received by that time will be considered. Written comments must be submitted to:

Page 1 of 8Jessie Romine
Bureau of Firearms
Division of Law Enforcement
Department of Justice
P.O. Box 160487
Sacramento, CA 95816-0487

Phone: 916-227-4217

Email: Ammoregs@doj.ca.gov

FrankMo

[FrankMo]

Originally Posted by FrankMo

FrankMo

Has kanyone written in yet? Ihave.

FrankMo

[tonyjr]

Yup

[CoxInYa]

Originally Posted by CoxInYa

So today I got my livescan and filed my COE application. The 03FFL paperwork goes into the mail tomorrow. And to top it off, just to piss off the antis, i took possession of my new S&W TRR8. It was a good day.

Update. I received my COE cert on the 9th after submitting it on the 4th. Now waiting on the FFL. But since the BATFE is furloughed. Who knows

[Spyder]

ATF charged my credit card for my FFL on New Years Eve. I keep slacking and not getting my livescan done though.

[tonyjr]

What does COE mean ? I looked up and found
Certificate of Eligibility
Certificate Of Entitlement
Confirmation of Enrollment
Cost of Operation
Contingent Owned Equipment
Checkout and Evaluation
Catalog Order Entry
Cash Operating Expense
--
There are a bunch of others that I don't think might apply .
I am headed to gun show today -
Maybe the CRPA booth will know .

[Boswell]

Certificate of Eligibility

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by tonyjr

What does COE mean ? I looked up and found
Certificate of Eligibility
Certificate Of Entitlement
Confirmation of Enrollment
Cost of Operation
Contingent Owned Equipment
Checkout and Evaluation
Catalog Order Entry
Cash Operating Expense
--
There are a bunch of others that I don't think might apply .
I am headed to gun show today -
Maybe the CRPA booth will know .

What seems to be the problem? You asked this and got an answer two days ago in the context of “C&R 03-FFL + COE Privileges in 2019 California”. Your other definitions don’t meet the context.

Originally Posted by tonyjr

What does COE stand for / mean ?

Originally Posted by EM2

Certificate of Eligibility
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert-eligibility

[tonyjr]

Boswell
Thank you .
Dvrjon
I will go back and check , maybe I did not mark send email . found it
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert-eligibility
Did not click on it
I when to gun show yesterday and no one knew . CRPA was too busy -
3 hourss there and talking to same person

[zonzin]

Let me get this straight,, to exercise a 2A right in CA it's OK to:

"The ammunition vendor shall collect the ammunition purchaser’s or transferee’s name, date of birth, current address, gender, hair color, eye color, height, weight, and driver license or other government identification number,"

But to ask for simple identification when exercising the 15A it's considered racist voter suppression?

There's something that stinks in the CA kitchen.


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[Ford8N]

Originally Posted by zonzin

Let me get this straight,, to exercise a 2A right in CA it's OK to:

"The ammunition vendor shall collect the ammunition purchaser’s or transferee’s name, date of birth, current address, gender, hair color, eye color, height, weight, and driver license or other government identification number,"

But to ask for simple identification when exercising the 15A it's considered racist voter suppression?

There's something that stinks in the CA kitchen.


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You are the enemy if you own firearms in this state. A potential criminal according to state policy. Supported by the majority of voters.

California isn’t part of the United States.

Just the way it is.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by Roering

It means that you need to go to Nevada every once and awhile.

Yup. And don’t forget that you have family in OR and AZ that you haven’t visited in years. What better time to reconnect with family members you’ve avoided speaking to in years

[digelectric]

So if you have an 03 you can buy ammo online and have it shipped?

[CitaDeL]

Originally Posted by Ford8N

You are the enemy if you own firearms in this state. A potential criminal according to state policy. Supported by the majority of voters.

California isn’t part of the United States.

Just the way it is.

The California Constitution disagrees with you:

Article III

SEC. 1. The State of California is an inseparable part of the
United States of America, and the United States Constitution is the
supreme law of the land.

The Bill of Rights are lawful amendments to the national constitution, including the article of the second.

Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 76;

There is no position which depends on clearer principles, than that every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.

The legislature and the people of California DO NOT have the authority to legislate away the Bill of Rights in whole or in part.

If they wish gun owners to be an enemy through legislation, I believe we should OBLIGE them with extreme hostility without awaiting a judicial remedy to our status. We hold the high moral ground, whatever laws they pass against us.

I will buy, sell, trade or import ammunition in any quantity I desire without state government oversight. Every patriot has a duty to violate this law and thumb their nose at a legislature and an electorate who usurp authority that it must not possess.

[Booyaazaa]

Originally Posted by digelectric

So if you have an 03 you can buy ammo online and have it shipped?

If you have a 03 and a COE then yes you can buy ammo online and ship to your house. You just need to order from company that deals with these exceptions which there are many out there. Also as long as there is no local ordinances that prohibit ammo shipments to the house.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by Booyaazaa

If you have a 03 and a COE then yes you can buy ammo online and ship to your house. You just need to order from company that deals with these exceptions which there are many out there. Also as long as there is no local ordinances that prohibit ammo shipments to the house.

Sorry if this is off topic but is the COE the eligibility doc that you need before getting the 03?

[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by digelectric

Sorry if this is off topic but is the COE the eligibility doc that you need before getting the 03?

03 is federal, COE is only a state thing. You can have one or the other or both. Only CA cares that you have the COE for certain purposes.

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[tonyjr]

Thanks , keep posting - I am learning a lot

[curtisfong]

Originally Posted by CitaDeL

The legislature and the people of California DO NOT have the authority to legislate away the Bill of Rights in whole or in part.

They have the "authority" to try, but only the courts have the authority (and the duty) to prevent them from doing so.

However, that does not happen in the 9th circuit, and thus far, SCOTUS has done absolutely nothing to fix that.

[CitaDeL]

Originally Posted by curtisfong

They have the "authority" to try, but only the courts have the authority (and the duty) to prevent them from doing so.

However, that does not happen in the 9th circuit, and thus far, SCOTUS has done absolutely nothing to fix that.

If the three branches of government do not function as they were intended, some or all of the parties involved have abdicated their oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States. If none of them will do as they have sworn, then, the burden of correcting a government in error is on the people. The executive, the legislature and the judiciary are a creation of the people and only exist by the consent of the governed.

The people cannot stand around and await a judicial rebuke of the other two branches of government, if it is never coming.

Whether you agree with me or not, when the balance of powers is unchecked and allows laws that are not lawful, it is necessary for the people to set government right.

I recommend employing a trap-door gallows.

[FrankMo]

How many of y'all have written an email tothe address I posted above?

Noone gives a rip if you whine on calguns. They careif you write in.

You have the technology.

https://oag.ca.gov/search-results/?q...mmunition+2019

FrankMo

[tonyjr]

I have 3 email addresses . [ doesn't everyone ? ] .
Then my wife has one she does not know about [ won't even turn on
computer ] that is just for family .
Anyway , each of them is used for many things - everyone should use
all their's to send in .

[astro.dude]

So if you DROS'ed a firearm in the recent past and are not on any naughty list, after July 1st it's going to cost $1 extra to buy ammo? That sum it up, or am I missing something? I browsed through the 8 pages, where someone asked about the ammo purchase card, like the FSC, but did not see any response that said it's needed or not.

[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by astro.dude

So if you DROS'ed a firearm in the recent past and are not on any naughty list, after July 1st it's going to cost $1 extra to buy ammo? That sum it up, or am I missing something? I browsed through the 8 pages, where someone asked about the ammo purchase card, like the FSC, but did not see any response that said it's needed or not.

You pretty much summed it up accurately. The ammo card scheme was repealed a priori by the Legislature before the Proposition passed. Those who voted on the latter because they wanted to impose the scheme and those who scared gun owners about it, did not read the laws beforehand.

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[chris]

Originally Posted by Ford8N

You are the enemy if you own firearms in this state. A potential criminal according to state policy. Supported by the majority of voters.

California isn’t part of the United States.

Just the way it is.

This state has gone full blown hash brown because Hillary lost.

[SimpleCountryActuary]

What about a recovering ammoholic with a COE and FFL03 who has too much ammo and wants to unload some?

(I'd bet some of your wives want you to do that, too.)

[astro.dude]

Originally Posted by Hinnerk

You pretty much summed it up accurately. The ammo card scheme was repealed a priori by the Legislature before the Proposition passed. Those who voted on the latter because they wanted to impose the scheme and those who scared gun owners about it, did not read the laws beforehand.

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[astro.dude]

So if you had one of those nonsecure CA drivers license, does this ammo law stop you from buying ammo? Right now anyone can walk into a big5 and get ammo paying cash (correct me if I am wrong).

[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by SimpleCountryActuary

What about a recovering ammoholic with a COE and FFL03 who has too much ammo and wants to unload some?

(I'd bet some of your wives want you to do that, too.)

The honorable path to recovery would be to donate the source of your addiction.

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[SimpleCountryActuary]

Originally Posted by Hinnerk

The honorable path to recovery would be to donate the source of your addiction.

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But am I allowed to donate the source of my addiction? If allowed, I might actually donate much of the source of my addiction, especially if I can get a tax deduction. What I'm concerned about is that my "adequate" stock of ammunition might be like "The Thing" in the old song by Phil Harris:



The last phrase is:

"The moral of this story is: if you're out on the beach
And you should see a great big box, and it's within your reach
Don't ever stop and open it up, that's my advice to you
'Cause you'll never get rid of the (Boom-ba-boom), no matter what you do
Oh you'll never get rid of the (Boom-ba-boom), no matter what you do."

[gobler]

Most likely never buying ammo again in this state but, if one owns firearms not registered i.e. pre 94 , will they sell ammo in any caliber?

[tonyjr]

I am guessing - no - not knowing who they are .

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by astro.dude

So if you had one of those nonsecure CA drivers license, does this ammo law stop you from buying ammo? Right now anyone can walk into a big5 and get ammo paying cash (correct me if I am wrong).

No, The “federal limits apply” license impacts federally-restricted actions.

Yes.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by gobler

Most likely never buying ammo again in this state but, if one owns firearms not registered i.e. pre 94 , will they sell ammo in any caliber?

Yes. But, after Jul 1,

PC 30370(c): The department shall develop a procedure in which a person who is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing ammunition may be approved for a single ammunition transaction or purchase. The department shall recover the cost of processing and regulatory and enforcement activities related to this section by charging the ammunition transaction or purchase applicant a fee not to exceed the fee charged for the department’s Dealers’ Record of Sale (DROS) process, as described in Section 28225 and not to exceed the department’s reasonable costs.

Then, with the regs:

§ 4303. One-Time Ammunition Transactions.
One-time ammunition purchases or transfers may be completed using a Basic Ammunition Eligibility Check.
(a) As authorized by Penal Code section 30370, subdivision (c), the fee for a Basic Ammunition Eligibility Check is $19.00.
(b) The ammunition vendor shall collect the ammunition purchaser’s or transferee’s name, date of birth, current address, gender, hair color, eye color, height, weight, and driver license or other government identification number, in the manner described in Penal Code section 28180, and telephone number, United States citizenship status, federal Alien Registration Number or I- 94 (if applicable), place of birth, alias name(s), race, and enter this information into the DES website.
(c) The ammunition vendor will provide the purchaser or transferee an ATN to monitor the status of the Basic Ammunition Eligibility Check through the Department’s CFARS website.
(1) An approved Basic Ammunition Eligibility Check can only be used for one ammunition purchase or transfer, and the approval expires 30-calendar days from when it is issued.

[Springfield45]

Originally Posted by FrankMo

How many of y'all have written an email tothe address I posted above?

Noone gives a rip if you whine on calguns. They careif you write in.

You have the technology.

https://oag.ca.gov/search-results/?q...mmunition+2019

FrankMo

I have written and emailed them numerous times and I usually get nothing or a canned form letter telling me they know better than I do and they do not give a rip. They have a large trash can for our letters.

[chris]

Originally Posted by FrankMo

How many of y'all have written an email tothe address I posted above?

Noone gives a rip if you whine on calguns. They careif you write in.

You have the technology.

https://oag.ca.gov/search-results/?q...mmunition+2019

FrankMo

they (DOJ and Democrats) don't care what we say. They (DOJ and Democrats) will do what ever they want. Get the hint? Hopefully you do because it's game over in this state minus a SCOTUS case favors 2A. But of course once again they (DOJ and Democrats) will ignore it anyway.

Originally Posted by Springfield45

I have written and emailed them numerous times and I usually get nothing or a canned form letter telling me they know better than I do and they do not give a rip. They have a large trash can for our letters.

Same here. They don't care because there is no repercussion at the ballot box anymore.

[blurat]

Maybe I missed something but does online sales change after July 1? As with the COE and 03 can I still buy online from a vender who will still do business in Ca?

Chris

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by blurat

Maybe I missed something but does online sales change after July 1? As with the COE and 03 can I still buy online from a vender who will still do business in Ca?

Chris

No change there. The July 2019 change affects electronic transmittal of CA FTF transaction clearance before purchase. The COE can be used for identification and clearance for FTF ammo, but will still cost a buck.