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Old 07-25-2017, 8:59 PM
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Am I hearing Pess & Moaning about Dunkirk being bad from the same people who claim that the movie Wonder-Women was a good?

Air Soft. Think Air Soft. Lots of green & yellow & pink colors not too loud, not too dirty, Air Soft.
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I am going to make a prediction that most people, including those with military backgrounds, will just go and see the film for the drama, escapism, and entertainment value. Some will like it, and some won't.

On the other hand, the highly decorated faux battlefield commissioned reenactors and expert combat ace War Thunder & iL2-Sturmovik virtual reality combat sim pilots will be rolling around on the floor with the vapors and spewing popcorn spittle at the theater owner as they shake their greasy fists, fling off their drenched butter bibs, and demand their money back.


Sounds about right. It's a movie, not a documentary. If Nolan was going for capturing the dread and hopelessness that the troops are feeling waiting on the beach he nailed it. I also much appreciate the speed and chaos thats shown when a ship goes down, much different than most other movies that slow things down for dramatic and dialogue reasons.
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I saw it the other night, it was superb. Ignore anything to the contrary.
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Saw it yesterday. I give it a 6 out of ten. Liked some of the air combat.
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Compared to the flash bang comic book PC leftist propaganda movies put out in chit loads today- it was good.

But the history challenged youth of today will not have a clue about WTF is going on- little lead up and a faceless enemy. They will be dumb founded. lol

Did not see a National Socialist sumvitch until the end.

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I would have liked to see more of the enemy. It would have been better to see what they were up against. I think it was 800000 enemy soldiers.
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I heard an interesting analysis by one of the actors on the editing and pace of the movie. He said (for the folks that have seen it) it's a week on the beach, a day on the boat and an hour in the Air.
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I heard an interesting analysis by one of the actors on the editing and pace of the movie. He said (for the folks that have seen it) it's a week on the beach, a day on the boat and an hour in the Air.
Anyone with an IQ over room temp knew that already.
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Holy hype machine. Dunkirk was mediocre...."best war movie "

Far from it.
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I would have liked to see more of the enemy. It would have been better to see what they were up against. I think it was 800000 enemy soldiers.
Nolan was "ruthless", his words, in trying to create authenticity. Not in terms of recreating exactly what was but in terms of filming real things to real film. So as little CGI as possible and commit it to film negatives instead of digital. It's easy these days to fill in stuff like that post production and as a viewer I was grateful for seeing real boats, real planes, and real people on the screen. Tonally and aesthetically he wanted his film to be consistent so it would be a unique experience in today's multiplexes where movies too often blur the lines between what is real and animation.

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Nolan was "ruthless", his words, in trying to create authenticity. Not in terms of recreating exactly what was but in terms of filming real things to real film. So as little CGI as possible and commit it to film negatives instead of digital. It's easy these days to fill in stuff like that post production and as a viewer I was grateful for seeing real boats, real planes, and real people on the screen. Tonally and aesthetically he wanted his film to be consistent so it would be a unique experience in today's multiplexes where movies too often blur the lines between what is real and animation.
That will make it interesting to watch on Bluray or 4K TV when it goes to video. Really sharp screens give away a lot of the ridiculously phony effects when the dulling and softening of the big screen is taken away.
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6/10. Could have been a lot better sadly.
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That was a much larger army stranded at Dunkirk, than the German one stranded at Stalingrad.
Difference was the Germans had a lunatic in charge

Dunkirk a great movie
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Difference was the Germans had a lunatic in charge
Paulus?
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Probably farther up the food chain, ala chicken chit Hitler!
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The wife and I enjoyed this movie very much I thought it was an excellent movie.
PS why not merge all these Dunkirk threads.

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For those that did see it,
That is the longest recorded flight of any spitfire to fly with no fuel. Just saying.
And he seemed to be carrying roughly double the ammo lol.

I liked the film. I get some of the criticism, especially about scale. That was due to the decision to avoid cgi.

I wouldn't call it mediocre. 4 stars out of 5 from me.
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it was a terrible movie, not worth a second viewing

the scenes with the German Fighters were bad, why no close up views of the German aircraft? they didnt even show a German face or anything from the other side? only a small glimpse of German soldiers comming to take the crash landed pilot prisoner after he ditched his aircraft

the part when the troop ship was hit by a torpedo only showed the torpedo comming towards the ship, no scenes of the German sub?

they should have shown some scenes of the other side like they did in the movie U-571

in DUNKIRK the French soliders were not given any credit, only seen at a glance, and they didnt show anybody from the German side? it almost looked like a Sunday picnic, with such a small number of enemy aircraft, more like a small mopping up operation.

the British RAF scenes were about the only thing that kept my interest, the rest of the movie was very dull, too much time wasted on the scene with the civillian British boater and his sons, and not much else, the sea looked so empty, the scale of the battle / escape was too small, I could count the number of empty fishing boats on my hand.

The final scene with the Spitfire gliding over the coastline at low altitude and having plenty of time to manually lower his landing gear, and close his canopy was not possible, his aircraft would have went down much harder and sooner than portrayed in the movie, probably would have went down like a rock, but he managed to make a perfect landing with no power? it was like it was just floating in thin air and he had time to wave back at the soldier on the beach.

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Enjoyed the film with my family today.
Just got home and was chatting re the historic accuracy of the film. Commenting on how much effort must have been put into the uniforms, correct patches on uniforms, the airplanes, the boats, and then I thought about what I didn't see.
Cigarettes.
I don't remember anyone smoking a cigarette. There was one soldier in the opening sequence hunting for a cigarette butt in an ashtray - but don't remember any smoking.
As far as I know they were all given cigarettes in their kits.
Seems kind of silly that a film maker would take all of this effort in other areas and then skip this area. Other images/films show lots of smoking among service members.
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Saw following ones which mentioned Tom Hardy in 'Dunkirk'
>Landed this plane safely
>Everyone survived
>Getting caught was not a part of his plan.

Is the meme over?
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My wife and I enjoyed the movie. I give it 8/10.
It's not your typical Hollywood movie in which the good guy lives and the bad guy dies at the end. It's dark and intense, and keeps you at the edge of the seat the entire movie. For those of you who want to see the war from the German and French perspectives, I suggest any of the WWII documentaries on the History channel.
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The final scene with the Spitfire gliding over the coastline at low altitude and having plenty of time to manually lower his landing gear, and close his canopy was not possible, his aircraft would have went down much harder and sooner than portrayed in the movie, probably would have went down like a rock, but he managed to make a perfect landing with no power? it was like it was just floating in thin air and he had time to wave back at the soldier on the beach.
Wrong. Spits were easy (relatively) to dead stick.

During handling trials in 1936 it was said:

"The aeroplane has rather a flat glide, even when the undercarriage and flaps are down and has a considerable float if the approach is made a little too fast. This defect could be remedied by fitting higher drag flaps.

Not sure what its glide ratio is, but an elliptical wing planform has the neat feature of having the lowest possible induced drag. (Unfortunately, it also has the property that it stalls simultaneously across its entire length...)", versus starting at the wing root and working out to the tip, prolly wouldn't want to slip it to bleed off altitude.

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it was a terrible movie, not worth a second viewing

the scenes with the German Fighters were bad, why no close up views of the German aircraft? they didnt even show a German face or anything from the other side? only a small glimpse of German soldiers comming to take the crash landed pilot prisoner after he ditched his aircraft

the part when the troop ship was hit by a torpedo only showed the torpedo comming towards the ship, no scenes of the German sub?

they should have shown some scenes of the other side like they did in the movie U-571

in DUNKIRK the French soliders were not given any credit, only seen at a glance, and they didnt show anybody from the German side? it almost looked like a Sunday picnic, with such a small number of enemy aircraft, more like a small mopping up operation.

the British RAF scenes were about the only thing that kept my interest, the rest of the movie was very dull, too much time wasted on the scene with the civillian British boater and his sons, and not much else, the sea looked so empty, the scale of the battle / escape was too small, I could count the number of empty fishing boats on my hand.

The final scene with the Spitfire gliding over the coastline at low altitude and having plenty of time to manually lower his landing gear, and close his canopy was not possible, his aircraft would have went down much harder and sooner than portrayed in the movie, probably would have went down like a rock, but he managed to make a perfect landing with no power? it was like it was just floating in thin air and he had time to wave back at the soldier on the beach.
They didn't care about the German side of the story, for a 2 Hour movie it was quite good............anyway the Germans were sleeping, changing their oil. The Germans let the troops get away which later ran them out of Africa, Sicily, Italy and France.
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Paulus?
He was probably a Quartermaster somewhere around Dunkirk
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I thought the movie would finally address the mystery of what the hell happened with Hitler, Paulus, and the German command and juxtapose it with the actions of Churchill (who was only recently sworn in as the prime minister) and how this choice effected the entire war.

Hitler made so many statements and it's all over Mein Kampf that he truely respected the British people and elements of their empire and wanted nothing more than an alliance. This was part of a long and somewhat politically treacherous concept having to do with Edward VIII and the policies of Chamberlain.

Hitler also had all kinds of problems with the Wehrmacht and his high command not respecting or even acknowledging that he was the head of the military. Hitler's fantasy of having the British join the Third Reich combined with bad communication and a need to prove to the high command that he was in charge conspired to create a horrible mistake on the part of the Germans. Seeing that story play out and emphasizing the totally inept British handling of the situation would be for me the real meat of any story about Dunkirk.

Unfortunately the movie is more of a suspense thriller with little historical value. It's worth seeing, but nothing close to what I was hoping for.

Unfortunately, most of the real history of WW2 is not explored in films, particularly in regards to the European theater. It seems like the standard interpretations and myths can't be cracked because people are afraid to appear as apologists or sympathizers with the Axis. I am no Nazi fan, but the great stories of Dunkirk, Operation Barbarossa, North Africa, and the allied Invasion of Normandy just aren't fully explored because the status quo doesn't want to tell a more objective tale.
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it was a terrible movie, not worth a second viewing

the scenes with the German Fighters were bad, why no close up views of the German aircraft? they didnt even show a German face or anything from the other side? only a small glimpse of German soldiers comming to take the crash landed pilot prisoner after he ditched his aircraft

the part when the troop ship was hit by a torpedo only showed the torpedo comming towards the ship, no scenes of the German sub?

they should have shown some scenes of the other side like they did in the movie U-571

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the British RAF scenes were about the only thing that kept my interest, the rest of the movie was very dull, too much time wasted on the scene with the civillian British boater and his sons, and not much else, the sea looked so empty, the scale of the battle / escape was too small, I could count the number of empty fishing boats on my hand.

The final scene with the Spitfire gliding over the coastline at low altitude and having plenty of time to manually lower his landing gear, and close his canopy was not possible, his aircraft would have went down much harder and sooner than portrayed in the movie, probably would have went down like a rock, but he managed to make a perfect landing with no power? it was like it was just floating in thin air and he had time to wave back at the soldier on the beach.
with regards to not showing actual german troops, I read several reviews that said it was done purposefulfully. the movie is supposed to be a up close and personal snapshot of three people's lives during the conflict, not a big retelling of the battle itself. it's not supposed to be Tora Tora Tora.
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Many people will swear it was divine providence that Germany did not press the attack or unleash armor on the stranded British forces at Dunkirk. That and the unwise decision to pick a fight with Russia are probably the two most pivotal decisions which led to the destruction of nazi Germany.
The same has been said about Midway.
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the divine providence was that Hitler was a scheisskopf.
satan is a scheisskopf. Adolph was just his stooge.
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Has moments but not worth the ticket.

I didnt see the scale that defined all of the hype. The producers said it wasnt meant to allow you to get close to actors so that you wouldnt feel sympathy towards an individual, but you did anyway because the scale of the story, missing, was supposed to draw you there and you had no where else to go except back to the family on the boat or the two soldiers trying to escape.

Around halfway, they lost me because I kept thinking about that ship which was supposed to be underway during an attack on it. But big as life in the middle of the screen was the fact it was at anchor! Impossible!
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satan is a scheisskopf. Adolph was just his stooge.
if you really think Satan is only a scheisskopf your immortal soul is in danger.


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What? That it led to the destruction of Nazi Germany?
No he means Midway led to the destruction of Imperial Japan, hence the analogy.
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No he means Midway led to the destruction of Imperial Japan, hence the analogy.
except the evacuation at Dunkirk did not lead to the destruction of Nazi Germany.

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except the evacuation at Dunkirk did not lead to the destruction of Nazi Germany.

no analogy there.
Of course it led to the destruction of Nazi Germany. How is that even remotely controversial? By letting the British forces go, 350-400,000 troops went back home, deterred land invasion during the battle of Britain, and then re-invaded 5 years later hastening the collapse of the western front. Isn't this painfully obvious?

Imagine if during the Battle of Britain there were 400,000 fewer troops guarding fortress Britain. The Wehrmacht could have landed unopposed and the battle of Britain could have been a coordinated land, sea, and air invasion.
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Of course it led to the destruction of Nazi Germany. How is that even remotely controversial? By letting the British forces go, 350-400,000 troops went back home, deterred land invasion during the battle of Britain, and then re-invaded 5 years later hastening the collapse of the western front. Isn't this painfully obvious?

Imagine if during the Battle of Britain there were 400,000 fewer troops guarding fortress Britain. The Wehrmacht could have landed unopposed and the battle of Britain could have been a coordinated land, sea, and air invasion.
sorry, not trying to be offensive, but you're sorely under-educated about WW2.

Dunkirk is not recognized as a turning point in the war. there are three- Stalingrad, 2nd El Alamein and in the Pacific, Midway.

Hitler never intended to invade Britain, and none of his naval or military advisors advocated such an attack. there was no legitimate threat, certainly not one the evacuation militated against. FYI Britain sent the equivalent of a fully equipped corps to France after the evacuation.

Additionally, in 1941 Germany could have easily defeated the British Empire if Admiral Readers' strategy had been followed.

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sorry, not trying to be offensive, but you're sorely under-educated about WW2.

Dunkirk is not recognized as a turning point in the war. there are three- Stalingrad, 2nd El Alamein and in the Pacific, Midway.

Hitler never intended to invade Britain, and none of his naval or military advisors advocated such an attack. there was no legitimate threat, certainly not one the evacuation militated against. FYI Britain sent the equivalent of a fully equipped corps to France after the evacuation.

Additionally, in 1941 Germany could have easily defeated the British Empire if Admiral Readers' strategy had been followed.

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Strange that Hitler broke the back of the Luftwaffe to try and destroy Britain because they were not a "threat" to the 3rd Reich. Strange that Britain bombed Germany into dust while "not being a threat". Strange that so much is written on the subject of invasion of Britain not being possible because of supporting the coordinated sea and land invasion was impossible because of the existence of the RAF (which was the whole point of the battle of Britain) and the existence of the ability to repel that invasion with ground forces.

The fact that Hitler did not turn his full attention to the destruction of Britain was a huge mistake and might have eventually sealed the fate of the third Reich. It might be true Germany could have still defeated Britain in 1941, but that would have made it impossible to green light operation Barbarossa. Hitler's failure to deal with Britain made Overlord possible, and without Dunkirk the entire progression of the war might have been awfully different. Hitler might have been able to keep Europe if it weren't for this colossal blunder.

And yes Stalingrad, but more specifically the delay of operation Barbarossa in Greece for 3 weeks, that was the largest turning point of the war. You also seemed to miss Kursk, another colossal blunder by Hitler.

My acumen on WW2 is going to be difficult to challenge. I can include a picture of my personal library for verification.
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I saw it yesterday and it I have a mixed feeling about. Mostly disappointment.

The action part of the movie was fine, especially the dogfights. And, it is not a waste of time to see it. But the movie is missing the scope of the tragedy.
Destroyers and flotilla of mostly civilian ships of all kinds lifted around 400K people from the Dunkirk. Yet in the movie you don't see or feel that scale. You see a few hundred soldiers waiting on the beach. That is it. You see couple of large ships and maybe a dozen or two of small civilian ships. Nothing more. You see occasional Nazi bombers and fighters show up. But you don't see squadrons of Nazi planes trying to wipe British and French defenders. You don't feel the desperation of undefended people on the beach.

In Saving Private Ryan, the first minutes of the D day landing conveyed the scope of the invasion and of the sheer terror on the beach. This is completely missing from the Dunkirk.

Perimeter which was holding Nazis back, in the movie is reduced to a single French barricade. There is no sense of the Nazi's might just outside of that perimeter.

There are no true story line shown in the movie, there are a few compelling story lines, but they are really truncated and unfinished.
If one does not know the WWII history or the history of the Miracle of Dunkirk, then proper question after watching this movie is - What's the big deal with Dunkirk, it's just a small rear guard action.

My feelings exactly. I enjoyed it as art, but can't get past that missed angle in the presention.
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Entertaining, but could have been better.

I'll give it a 7 out of 10!
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If someone offered to pay me to watch it again I'd go to work instead. Nobody in our group, including the one person who wanted to go see it, liked it a whole lot more than me. I describe it as a history lesson told by an artistic dramatic movie writer.

If you like dramatic actions scenes and can ignore the laughable BS it might be fun to watch. The 'glider' scene reminded me of Fast & Furious with the 18 speed cars doing 3 minute 1/4 mile runs.
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