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So let me get this straight....
Am I hearing Pess & Moaning about Dunkirk being bad from the same people who claim that the movie Wonder-Women was a good?
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Sounds about right. It's a movie, not a documentary. If Nolan was going for capturing the dread and hopelessness that the troops are feeling waiting on the beach he nailed it. I also much appreciate the speed and chaos thats shown when a ship goes down, much different than most other movies that slow things down for dramatic and dialogue reasons. |
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Compared to the flash bang comic book PC leftist propaganda movies put out in chit loads today- it was good.
But the history challenged youth of today will not have a clue about WTF is going on- little lead up and a faceless enemy. They will be dumb founded. lol Did not see a National Socialist sumvitch until the end. A C+ film IMO |
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I heard an interesting analysis by one of the actors on the editing and pace of the movie. He said (for the folks that have seen it) it's a week on the beach, a day on the boat and an hour in the Air.
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Anyone with an IQ over room temp knew that already.
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Nolan was "ruthless", his words, in trying to create authenticity. Not in terms of recreating exactly what was but in terms of filming real things to real film. So as little CGI as possible and commit it to film negatives instead of digital. It's easy these days to fill in stuff like that post production and as a viewer I was grateful for seeing real boats, real planes, and real people on the screen. Tonally and aesthetically he wanted his film to be consistent so it would be a unique experience in today's multiplexes where movies too often blur the lines between what is real and animation.
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I liked the film. I get some of the criticism, especially about scale. That was due to the decision to avoid cgi. I wouldn't call it mediocre. 4 stars out of 5 from me.
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it was a terrible movie, not worth a second viewing
the scenes with the German Fighters were bad, why no close up views of the German aircraft? they didnt even show a German face or anything from the other side? only a small glimpse of German soldiers comming to take the crash landed pilot prisoner after he ditched his aircraft the part when the troop ship was hit by a torpedo only showed the torpedo comming towards the ship, no scenes of the German sub? they should have shown some scenes of the other side like they did in the movie U-571 in DUNKIRK the French soliders were not given any credit, only seen at a glance, and they didnt show anybody from the German side? it almost looked like a Sunday picnic, with such a small number of enemy aircraft, more like a small mopping up operation. the British RAF scenes were about the only thing that kept my interest, the rest of the movie was very dull, too much time wasted on the scene with the civillian British boater and his sons, and not much else, the sea looked so empty, the scale of the battle / escape was too small, I could count the number of empty fishing boats on my hand. The final scene with the Spitfire gliding over the coastline at low altitude and having plenty of time to manually lower his landing gear, and close his canopy was not possible, his aircraft would have went down much harder and sooner than portrayed in the movie, probably would have went down like a rock, but he managed to make a perfect landing with no power? it was like it was just floating in thin air and he had time to wave back at the soldier on the beach. Last edited by omega; 08-04-2017 at 1:26 PM.. |
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Enjoyed the film with my family today.
Just got home and was chatting re the historic accuracy of the film. Commenting on how much effort must have been put into the uniforms, correct patches on uniforms, the airplanes, the boats, and then I thought about what I didn't see. Cigarettes. I don't remember anyone smoking a cigarette. There was one soldier in the opening sequence hunting for a cigarette butt in an ashtray - but don't remember any smoking. As far as I know they were all given cigarettes in their kits. Seems kind of silly that a film maker would take all of this effort in other areas and then skip this area. Other images/films show lots of smoking among service members. |
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My wife and I enjoyed the movie. I give it 8/10.
It's not your typical Hollywood movie in which the good guy lives and the bad guy dies at the end. It's dark and intense, and keeps you at the edge of the seat the entire movie. For those of you who want to see the war from the German and French perspectives, I suggest any of the WWII documentaries on the History channel. |
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During handling trials in 1936 it was said: "The aeroplane has rather a flat glide, even when the undercarriage and flaps are down and has a considerable float if the approach is made a little too fast. This defect could be remedied by fitting higher drag flaps. Not sure what its glide ratio is, but an elliptical wing planform has the neat feature of having the lowest possible induced drag. (Unfortunately, it also has the property that it stalls simultaneously across its entire length...)", versus starting at the wing root and working out to the tip, prolly wouldn't want to slip it to bleed off altitude. Borrowed from the net. PAX
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I thought the movie would finally address the mystery of what the hell happened with Hitler, Paulus, and the German command and juxtapose it with the actions of Churchill (who was only recently sworn in as the prime minister) and how this choice effected the entire war.
Hitler made so many statements and it's all over Mein Kampf that he truely respected the British people and elements of their empire and wanted nothing more than an alliance. This was part of a long and somewhat politically treacherous concept having to do with Edward VIII and the policies of Chamberlain. Hitler also had all kinds of problems with the Wehrmacht and his high command not respecting or even acknowledging that he was the head of the military. Hitler's fantasy of having the British join the Third Reich combined with bad communication and a need to prove to the high command that he was in charge conspired to create a horrible mistake on the part of the Germans. Seeing that story play out and emphasizing the totally inept British handling of the situation would be for me the real meat of any story about Dunkirk. Unfortunately the movie is more of a suspense thriller with little historical value. It's worth seeing, but nothing close to what I was hoping for. Unfortunately, most of the real history of WW2 is not explored in films, particularly in regards to the European theater. It seems like the standard interpretations and myths can't be cracked because people are afraid to appear as apologists or sympathizers with the Axis. I am no Nazi fan, but the great stories of Dunkirk, Operation Barbarossa, North Africa, and the allied Invasion of Normandy just aren't fully explored because the status quo doesn't want to tell a more objective tale.
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satan is a scheisskopf. Adolph was just his stooge.
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Has moments but not worth the ticket.
I didnt see the scale that defined all of the hype. The producers said it wasnt meant to allow you to get close to actors so that you wouldnt feel sympathy towards an individual, but you did anyway because the scale of the story, missing, was supposed to draw you there and you had no where else to go except back to the family on the boat or the two soldiers trying to escape. Around halfway, they lost me because I kept thinking about that ship which was supposed to be underway during an attack on it. But big as life in the middle of the screen was the fact it was at anchor! Impossible!
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if you really think Satan is only a scheisskopf your immortal soul is in danger.
never mind, the scales have fallen from my eyes- you're just trying to build post count. remember CSA said it's the quality of posts, not quantity.
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No he means Midway led to the destruction of Imperial Japan, hence the analogy.
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no analogy there.
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Imagine if during the Battle of Britain there were 400,000 fewer troops guarding fortress Britain. The Wehrmacht could have landed unopposed and the battle of Britain could have been a coordinated land, sea, and air invasion.
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Dunkirk is not recognized as a turning point in the war. there are three- Stalingrad, 2nd El Alamein and in the Pacific, Midway. Hitler never intended to invade Britain, and none of his naval or military advisors advocated such an attack. there was no legitimate threat, certainly not one the evacuation militated against. FYI Britain sent the equivalent of a fully equipped corps to France after the evacuation. Additionally, in 1941 Germany could have easily defeated the British Empire if Admiral Readers' strategy had been followed. read up
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The fact that Hitler did not turn his full attention to the destruction of Britain was a huge mistake and might have eventually sealed the fate of the third Reich. It might be true Germany could have still defeated Britain in 1941, but that would have made it impossible to green light operation Barbarossa. Hitler's failure to deal with Britain made Overlord possible, and without Dunkirk the entire progression of the war might have been awfully different. Hitler might have been able to keep Europe if it weren't for this colossal blunder. And yes Stalingrad, but more specifically the delay of operation Barbarossa in Greece for 3 weeks, that was the largest turning point of the war. You also seemed to miss Kursk, another colossal blunder by Hitler. My acumen on WW2 is going to be difficult to challenge. I can include a picture of my personal library for verification.
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My feelings exactly. I enjoyed it as art, but can't get past that missed angle in the presention. |
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Entertaining, but could have been better.
I'll give it a 7 out of 10!
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If someone offered to pay me to watch it again I'd go to work instead. Nobody in our group, including the one person who wanted to go see it, liked it a whole lot more than me. I describe it as a history lesson told by an artistic dramatic movie writer.
If you like dramatic actions scenes and can ignore the laughable BS it might be fun to watch. The 'glider' scene reminded me of Fast & Furious with the 18 speed cars doing 3 minute 1/4 mile runs. |
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