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Old 10-12-2018, 6:23 AM
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Does anyone offer certificates. For private training? My wife is out of town in November and I want to take a practical rifle course but it’s not offered the weekend I can go. ��
Some members have private certs that are good for one day. There are also President TBD memberships that can be transferred as well. I only have a couple single-day private certs that are transferrable, but ask around.

Scheduling can be a problem. I always schedule my private training as soon as the calendar opens six months in advance so I have a better chance of getting the exact dates I want.

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If you still need private certificates ask around, HINT.

wife and I just finished a private HG class with Range Officer Park, it went extremely well, learned a lot, he had us perform a lot of drills with our eyes closed shooting 5 shot groups . At 7 yards you would be surprised how many times I got hand size patterns in the thoracic cavity. Wife about 3-4 Out of 5

As for private classes, it's probably best to book at 6 months out. While there, we booked a private rifle in March, the month was already pretty full.
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Iím asking, is there a private certificate for sale. Or free 😂😂 avail. But out to March. Thatís crazy I need one or two days for November 2018
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Just back from the 4 day - weather was picture perfect - Zack McCormick was our instructor couldn't ask for better (Bill Cristifulli - Rob Plate - Madison Daniel). Was 18 down but in April I was 25 down - so I improved - DG for sure next time.
Wish I was a lot closer would be there once a month...Oh well!

There was a #10 tin can at the gate with a label Defense Fund - LOL!!!!!

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There was a #10 tin can at the gate with a label Defense Fund - LOL!!!!!
Now that is FUNNY!! 😄
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Old 10-13-2018, 5:45 PM
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Currently running through a 4 day rifle course. Did it in May and there have been some changes to the good. Ran the Wilson Wall. That was fun. Not hard but seen quite a few folks fail badly from unloaded guns to dropped mags and clear misses. Seen quite a few guns puke on the line from cheap guns, cheap slings, cheap optics, kel tecs that wouldnít run, desert tech 308 rifle that would choke. Tried and true works well. Funny how that was figured out long ago.
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Old 10-13-2018, 5:47 PM
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Sorry woodmaster. I had fun with my son and I.
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:11 AM
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I don't mind post from a contrarian. We should all welcome criticism, and evaluate what critics have to say.

I bought a FS membership having read what the critics say, and I decided that the upside was worth more than the down sides.

You can both have a positive view of what and how Front Sight teaches, as well as be critical of what and how they teach. Both things can be true at the same time.
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:56 AM
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Currently running through a 4 day rifle course. Did it in May and there have been some changes to the good.
Would like to hear about the changes!
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Old 10-15-2018, 6:42 PM
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Couple of things they allowed standing from 100 and still qualify, helpful for those with bad backs, they used the Wilson wall to reinforce differing positions and a little more tactical thought to those positions and exposing ones self. Also after the class shot steel at 400. Well worth doing. Will be back next month for handgun. There is a new marksman class coming in January.
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Couple of things they allowed standing from 100 and still qualify, helpful for those with bad backs, they used the Wilson wall to reinforce differing positions and a little more tactical thought to those positions and exposing ones self. Also after the class shot steel at 400. Well worth doing. Will be back next month for handgun. There is a new marksman class coming in January.
I did 4-day rifle at end of July. I'm young-ish and spry so I did the drop to prone. I assume the wilson wall is the little barricade you shoot around from different positions? Yeah, did that too. Only shot from 200 yards max at the steel, though

They also did a 15-minute or so exercise on how to clear around a corner, and room-clear/walk through the fatal funnel. Definitely looking forward to DG'ing and getting my mall ninja on
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Old 10-15-2018, 9:59 PM
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... and Iím very satisfied. It was the 4 day Pistol Defense course held on Oct. 8th -12th. I learned a lot. Starts out super basic, but by day 4 you can get 2 shots on target in about 2 seconds. I fully recommend!
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:01 PM
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There is a new marksman class coming in January.
Did you hear anything more about that?

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In this course, you will be challenged by the drills involved to gain both a comprehensive understanding of the capabilities of your rifle and ammo and the corresponding marksmanship skills you need to place first-round center hits on targets at various distances without ballistics calculators or precision-level equipment.

NOTE: This course is suitable for any rifle and sighting system capable of achieving accurate hits up to 400 yards. If your rifle of choice is a manually operated rifle (such as a bolt, lever-action, or pump gun), this course is much better suited for you than our 2-Day Practical Rifle.

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Old 10-16-2018, 3:47 AM
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lookoutlinn - I was on range #26 for the 4 day.
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Old 10-19-2018, 6:33 PM
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Did you hear anything more about that?

Edit: Found it on FS's website: https://www.frontsight.com/courses/r...training-4.asp
Noticed this too!

Anyone have any intel on this new course? Reading through the description I wonder if it's CMP Service Rifle match style shooting. Similar to full distance Appleseed.

It also looks like this course will become a prerequisite for Precision Rifle starting in January. I've been wanting to take PR for a while and am wondering if I should do it before 2019?
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Old 10-19-2018, 7:45 PM
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To shoot precision rifle one had to DG on practical rifle. This class as they explained was more of a basic marksmanship class with smaller caliber ie. .223 with a scope. . They will touch on the basics regarding dope and windage and reading mil dot/MOA scopes and will become a prerequisite for precision rifle.
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:30 AM
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I was hoping to take the marksmanship course as an "intro to hunting marksmanship" lol. I still may. I intend to go hunting next season and have never had instruction in rifle shooting. (all handguns)
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Old 10-22-2018, 1:07 PM
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Couple of things they allowed standing from 100 and still qualify, helpful for those with bad backs,.
Standing at the 100 (or greater when the test when out to 200) has never been a dis-qualifier for the skills test.

Similarly, its not a dis-qualifier at the 50 for the Advanced Handgun or Masters tests.
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Old 10-22-2018, 1:30 PM
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Ya there were some changes from this class that I took. Not sure if it was just the instructor or what. Just stating what was required from the first4 day rifle. I would have much preferred to do standing the first class as I ended up injuring my back by going prone.
Nevertheless this last class I took was better over all.
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pretty cool cause.

http://charitycourse.gives/?fbclid=I...tBXIqdxvCb0n-w

I'll probably be out there that week just to support the cause. Saw they're doing sign ups now so figured I'd share.
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To shoot precision rifle one had to DG on practical rifle. This class as they explained was more of a basic marksmanship class with smaller caliber ie. .223 with a scope. . They will touch on the basics regarding dope and windage and reading mil dot/MOA scopes and will become a prerequisite for precision rifle.
Kind of how I pictured the course too reading the description. I signed up for the first course in January and am planning on bringing a scoped out AR.
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Kind of how I pictured the course too reading the description. I signed up for the first course in January and am planning on bringing a scoped out AR.
I'll look for March or April. WAY too cold out there in January and February. Froze my giblets off last year.
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lookoutlinn - I was on range #26 for the 4 day.
Jerry: I was on Range 25! Couple days after getting back home a friend gifted me a “Commander” membership. Already planning another guys trip this upcoming Winter! And did you drive out from Florida? I remember seeing Floridian license plates.

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No we flew! There were 14 of us from Florida - wearing our 'RED' 6th annual FS adventure shirts. I am planning another trip for April 1st.
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I'll look for March or April. WAY too cold out there in January and February. Froze my giblets off last year.
Winter months are the best months for classes with a night portion. It gets dark much earlier and you get to go back to the hotel at 8 pm. Summer classes with nights are rough because class doesn't let out until 10 pm.

You can always bundle up for the cold. You can only strip down so much in the heat
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Old 10-25-2018, 4:14 PM
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To a degree. Iím just a wimp like that. When it is below freezing at the hottest part of the day I just really donít want to be outside all day.
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Iím taking the 4 day practical rifle class soon. I donít want to invest a lot of money on a tactical vest or battle belt that Iíll rarely use. But Iíll buy what I NEED. Any advice?
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Just finished my second one. Get at least one quality mag holder if not two. It was suggested here by members to use Safariland and they work very well.

Have a good sturdy belt, dump bag is helpful and a uplula loader. If you have goggles bring them incase the wind kicks up. I need up wearing mine for a day and I was the only one that was completely fine on the line.

Buy a quality sling. That is it for accessories. Don't need a bi pod, lights, front grip. Run the rifle as light as possible.
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I’m taking the 4 day practical rifle class soon. I don’t want to invest a lot of money on a tactical vest or battle belt that I’ll rarely use. But I’ll buy what I NEED. Any advice?
Heavy duty belt with mag holders (I bought a tool belt from Harbor Freight), eye and ear protection, a hat, and an optional drop pouch.

This should get you started for a rifle course. As you attend more classes you'll figure out what works and doesn't work for you.
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Anybody ever do a rifle skill builder with a bone stock Saiga with ten round mags yet? I'm planning on doing one next month and am trying to think through what I need before I go.
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Anybody ever do a rifle skill builder with a bone stock Saiga yet? I'm planning on doing one next month and am trying to think through what I need and how to run it before I go.
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Get a gunbelt, mag pouch for two mags and maybe a dump pouch. Why a gunbelt? You'll be back for handgun if you haven't already taken the class. If you have a gunbelt, you're almost there.
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

I’ve taken the 2 and 4 day pistol classes and have a decent gunbelt. I did just buy a Blue force Vickers padded sling.

What’s the deal with sidearms?
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

Iíve taken the 2 and 4 day pistol classes and have a decent gunbelt. I did just buy a Blue force Vickers padded sling.

Whatís the deal with sidearms?
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As far as wearing a side arm in the class. Some guys do but I have never figured out why. Seems like extra weight and crap to carry around.
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Iím taking the 4 day practical rifle class soon. I donít want to invest a lot of money on a tactical vest or battle belt that Iíll rarely use. But Iíll buy what I NEED. Any advice?
the longest relay of fire is usually less than 40-50 rounds, so plan your magazines accordingly.

Some basic knee and elbow pads are pleasant for shooting positions other than standing @ 100 yard line. Sun protection (hat, sleeves, sunblock, sunglasses). Some gloves too... sucks to somehow bang up your hands early, and have to keep training with it.

I have a battle belt, five 10 round magazines on the belt + 1 in the rifle and a dump pouch.
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Anybody ever do a rifle skill builder with a bone stock Saiga with ten round mags yet? I'm planning on doing one next month and am trying to think through what I need before I go.
I never did, but it would be an interesting new skill with that short a magazine.

How many mags do you plan on bringing? Haven't seen Saiga mags for sale lately. Do AK mags work well in Saigas without a bullet guide? 7.62 or 5.45?

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As far as wearing a side arm in the class. Some guys do but I have never figured out why. Seems like extra weight and crap to carry around.
In more advanced Rifle classes at FS you will learn transitioning from your rifle to your pistol.

Example: firing Rifle and you get a type three malfunction - immediately drop rifle down to your support side (on sling), present your pistol and continue the fight. Much quicker back on target than clearing the rifle.

Train like you fight. I always have a pistol on my hip
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As far as wearing a side arm in the class. Some guys do but I have never figured out why. Seems like extra weight and crap to carry around.
Where did you see them? FS does not allow students walk outside any range with a loaded weapon, and in Practical Rifle they run a cold range, doubt they will let you take it with a loaded handgun. During class, in 4DPR (and in the defunct Advanced Rifle) the rifles stay in the range. Unless they are taking Advanced Long Gun or Tactical Scenarios I can't imagine you'd see a student coming with a rifle and a handgun at the same time.
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Where did you see them? FS does not allow students walk outside any range with a loaded weapon, and in Practical Rifle they run a cold range, doubt they will let you take it with a loaded handgun. During class, in 4DPR (and in the defunct Advanced Rifle) the rifles stay in the range. Unless they are taking Advanced Long Gun or Tactical Scenarios I can't imagine you'd see a student coming with a rifle and a handgun at the same time.
Pistols were unloaded but they were on the person. Nothing in the course had to do with a pistol so was wondering why they would bother to carry it. This was in both 4 day practical rifle courses.
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