Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > POLITICS, LITIGATION AND ACTIVISM > The CRPA Forum
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

The CRPA Forum News, Questions, and Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-28-2018, 7:10 AM
2761377's Avatar
2761377 2761377 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: the V ring
Posts: 1,541
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default CRPA- Wrong side?

why does CRPA support Stan Sniff? is it because CRPA activists are on his Inner Circle?


"Riverside Sheriff Stan Sniff Is Working To Expedite CCW Issuance! As many of you know, the wait time for a CCW in Riverside County is now two years. Despite having a pro-CCW sheriff, years of budget cuts combined with an ever-growing demand for CCWs has resulted in a backlog of CCW applications."

Sniff is NOT pro-CCW. he is a May-Issue troglodyte who created the 2 year backlog.

it's time for CRPA to fight for the rights of all Californians, not just those on their Inner Circle. Remember 2014
__________________
MAGA
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-28-2018, 8:12 AM
homelessdude homelessdude is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: inland empire
Posts: 895
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

The best way to send a strong message is vote Bianco in. I think it's only fair that they ( CRPA ) give a little exposure to Bianca's statement that he would except self defense as a good cause. Sniff is better than many, Bianco is better than Sniff.

Last edited by homelessdude; 04-28-2018 at 8:15 AM.. Reason: My spelling sucks.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-16-2018, 6:51 PM
-hanko's Avatar
-hanko -hanko is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area & SW Idaho
Posts: 10,754
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Another thread asking the same question. CRPA Voting Endorsement for Stan Sniff???

What does the CRPA spokesperson say?

As was posted, Sniff is not as restrictive as the SF county sheriff, but he's by no means "pro-ccw".

No comments so far from CRPA that I can find.
__________________
Tactical is like boobs...you can sell anything with it....arf

If I could live my life all over,
It wouldn't matter anyway,
'Cause I never could stay sober
On the Corpus Christi Bay. Robert Earl Keene

Heaven goes by favor.
If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-17-2018, 3:32 PM
-hanko's Avatar
-hanko -hanko is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area & SW Idaho
Posts: 10,754
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Thumbs down Still nothing...

...but chirping cickets.

No one home at CRPA?
__________________
Tactical is like boobs...you can sell anything with it....arf

If I could live my life all over,
It wouldn't matter anyway,
'Cause I never could stay sober
On the Corpus Christi Bay. Robert Earl Keene

Heaven goes by favor.
If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-18-2018, 7:05 PM
cindynles's Avatar
cindynles cindynles is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Temecula
Posts: 2,679
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

I asked Chuck Michel on his facebook page, same thing. Crickets.....
__________________
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." B.Franklin,1759
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-31-2018, 6:16 AM
-hanko's Avatar
-hanko -hanko is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area & SW Idaho
Posts: 10,754
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default BTT...

...and still waiting for the reason(s) why Stan Sniff is CRPA's recommendation for sheriff.
__________________
Tactical is like boobs...you can sell anything with it....arf

If I could live my life all over,
It wouldn't matter anyway,
'Cause I never could stay sober
On the Corpus Christi Bay. Robert Earl Keene

Heaven goes by favor.
If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-31-2018, 8:29 PM
warbird's Avatar
warbird warbird is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: backing up into Nevada
Posts: 1,381
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

poor Hanko i suspect you have a long wait coming.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-01-2018, 9:28 AM
-hanko's Avatar
-hanko -hanko is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area & SW Idaho
Posts: 10,754
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by warbird View Post
poor Hanko i suspect you have a long wait coming.
Tks for the support.

Are we looking at possibly infuriating the NRA H.Paul.Whomever?

If indeed Sniff is, as the CPRA writes, is "pro-CCW", then why indeed does he require a pile of excess paperwork when one applies for a CCW?
__________________
Tactical is like boobs...you can sell anything with it....arf

If I could live my life all over,
It wouldn't matter anyway,
'Cause I never could stay sober
On the Corpus Christi Bay. Robert Earl Keene

Heaven goes by favor.
If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-01-2018, 11:39 AM
warbird's Avatar
warbird warbird is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: backing up into Nevada
Posts: 1,381
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

that is so he can claim the support and still block you by burying you in a ton of extra paperwork/fees that are useless. It is kind of like saying "I am pro 2 second amendment and push gun rights to make us equal to other states but in the meantime i am going to bury you under useless paper work and high fees so i make the ant-gun people happy." I always called it being two-faced myself.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-01-2018, 11:23 PM
-hanko's Avatar
-hanko -hanko is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area & SW Idaho
Posts: 10,754
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by warbird View Post
that is so he can claim the support and still block you by burying you in a ton of extra paperwork/fees that are useless. It is kind of like saying "I am pro 2 second amendment and push gun rights to make us equal to other states but in the meantime i am going to bury you under useless paper work and high fees so i make the ant-gun people happy." I always called it being two-faced myself.
Based on what I've read as to Sniff here, during a luncheon outing where a few here endorsed him, but later changed the endorsement to a recommendation when the sheriff's recalcitrant nature was brought up...OT, but I've seen better examples of CYA from nursery school children.

So all that said, doesn't CRPA care enough about the CCW situation with Sniff to be frank with its members as to why they support him?

Do the members care enough to get a straight answer from CRPA?

Has CRPA donated to Sniff's campaign?

I would not mind if this thread were merged with the thread about gun owners eating their own...imo a perfect example.
__________________
Tactical is like boobs...you can sell anything with it....arf

If I could live my life all over,
It wouldn't matter anyway,
'Cause I never could stay sober
On the Corpus Christi Bay. Robert Earl Keene

Heaven goes by favor.
If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-01-2018, 11:33 PM
warbird's Avatar
warbird warbird is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: backing up into Nevada
Posts: 1,381
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

i do not belong to CRPA but I think you are asking very good logical intelligent questions that others should be asking or supporting. You are not asking for national secrets and the only thing I have seen so far is you might eat up someone who can't give an honest answer. But then cats tend to do that (LOL). Any organization that is not answerable to it's members should not be supported. Thanks for asking what are obviously hard questions for this organization to answer and that means their recommendations might be in question in November.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-02-2018, 6:57 AM
Hoop's Avatar
Hoop Hoop is offline
Ready fo HILLARY!!
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Auburn
Posts: 11,421
iTrader: 69 / 100%
Default

Is Sniff going to win reelection? Does Bianca have high enough numbers and money to beat him?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-02-2018, 8:05 AM
2761377's Avatar
2761377 2761377 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: the V ring
Posts: 1,541
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -hanko View Post
Based on what I've read as to Sniff here, during a luncheon outing where a few here endorsed him, but later changed the endorsement to a recommendation when the sheriff's recalcitrant nature was brought up...OT, but I've seen better examples of CYA from nursery school children.

So all that said, doesn't CRPA care enough about the CCW situation with Sniff to be frank with its members as to why they support him?

Do the members care enough to get a straight answer from CRPA?

Has CRPA donated to Sniff's campaign?

I would not mind if this thread were merged with the thread about gun owners eating their own...imo a perfect example.
I would mind that very much. I started this thread to call out CRPA for their traditional "Inner Circle" business model. they do not support the average gun owner in Riverside County and that fact needs to be documented for posterity.

Riverside County residents need to vote for anybody but Sniff. And those that are CRPA members need to let their membership lapse.

Just Say No to Sniffy. 2018
__________________
MAGA
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-26-2018, 5:52 PM
Grampz's Avatar
Grampz Grampz is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 399
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-26-2018, 6:00 PM
Grampz's Avatar
Grampz Grampz is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 399
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

Don't know this CRPA but do they have ANY ties to NRA? If so, :edit: (my guess would be) :/edit: the Sniff endorsement was crafted by Mr. Payne. Who now is having some major troubles of his own. In fact, he had to get rid of all his firearms due to a DVTRO that supposedly may become permanent. He surrendered his guns to a large Sniff campaign contributor($50K+) Mohammad Ali Mazarei... And he only turned over 5 guns... weird huh?

Last edited by Grampz; 06-30-2018 at 2:36 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-28-2018, 1:07 PM
homelessdude homelessdude is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: inland empire
Posts: 895
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I have been a member for years. I disagree with the choice of Sniff over Bianco. Having said that this all or nothing attitude gets us nothing. The CRPA does a lot of good, in the courts as well as firearms training and education. Use your head people. You don't get a new wife everytime she disagrees with you. Well maybe some of you do but it's not the best way to fix the problem. I'm sure they know people are unhappy with there choice.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-28-2018, 6:34 PM
Kestryll's Avatar
Kestryll Kestryll is offline
Head Janitor
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Occupied Reseda, PRK
Posts: 20,965
iTrader: 22 / 100%
Blog Entries: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grampz View Post
Don't know this CRPA but do they have ANY ties to NRA?
Yes they do, the CRPA is the official State Affiliate of the NRA.

As for endorsements you're flat wrong on where they come from.
The CRPA does it's own vetting and reaches it's own decisions on who to endorse. Paul Payne is not on the Board of Directors of CRPA and not involved with running the CRPA nor determining it's actions. The only entity that Paul Payne specifically directs and the only entity whose endorsements he has a hand in is the Members Councils which are an NRA program but are NOT the voice of the NRA in regards to endorsements.

Whatever personal issues Paul Payne is going through are immaterial and have no place in a discussion of who any organization endorses.




I do not deal with endorsements from CRPA, that is handled by a specific committee, so my thoughts are my own and based on observation only.

From what I've seen CRPA endorses Sheriff Sniff in part at least due to Sniff's efforts to oppose State gun restrictions in his capacity as Sheriff in the form of active opposition to bad gun laws and support of pro-2A laws.
I have seen actions in the form of letters of opposition to multiple proposed laws presented to Legislators and legislative committees and in support of CRPA backed legislation.
CCW is important but it is not the 'be all/end all' of our 2A rights and action on other fronts can be even more valuable.

My guess is that in the end the previous 2A support in Sacramento of CRPA efforts from Sniff, the fact that while not as much or as freely as we'd like he is issuing CCWs and that he is a known entity with an established working relationship on 2A rights is why he is being endorsed.

As I said this is strictly my guess not anything 'official' or even from direct knowledge nor is it an implication that Bianco would not do the same or more.
__________________
NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA Life Member / SAF Life Member
Calguns.net an incorported entity - President.
The Calguns Shooting Sports Assoc. - Vice President.
The California Rifle & Pistol Assoc. - Director.
DONATE TO NRA-ILA, CGSSA, AND CRPAF NOW!
Opinions posted in this account are my own and unless specifically stated as such are not the approved position of Calguns.net, CGSSA or CRPA.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-18-2018, 8:55 PM
Grampz's Avatar
Grampz Grampz is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 399
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

Hmmm... still no answer from any CRPA official why they are supporting the "less than 2A:" candidate in the run for RivCo Sheriff. WTH? What backroom deal is going on here?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-26-2018, 10:14 PM
dchang0's Avatar
dchang0 dchang0 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,691
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by homelessdude View Post
You don't get a new wife everytime she disagrees with you. Well maybe some of you do but it's not the best way to fix the problem.
Yes, but would you divorce your wife if she were disloyal to you (such as cheating on you)?

This issue may rise above a mere disagreement into disloyalty because of the "give them an inch and they take 100 miles" problem we face. We need unabashed hard-liner allies now more than ever.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-20-2018, 11:13 AM
homelessdude homelessdude is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: inland empire
Posts: 895
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I don't think endorsing a guy who is active in the NRA and state pro gun issues is being a traitor. I have met him, talked with him, seen him involved in local gun issues. He is not Scummer or Pelosi. Having said all that don't get the wrong impression. We could have things a lot worse but we could also have them a lot better. Snife is better than a no issue sheriff and Bianca is far better than Snife. We have seen Snifes way of doing it now it is time to give Bianca a chance. He has stated what he will do, now lets see if he acually does it. You don't burn your house down because you don't like the color, you repaint it.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-19-2018, 8:19 PM
cindynles's Avatar
cindynles cindynles is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Temecula
Posts: 2,679
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

So the CRPA supports Sniff, but the CalGuns Foundation sues him over his CCW policies.......

Quote:
RIVERSIDE, CA (October 19, 2018) — Today, attorneys for a Riverside County resident and five public interest organizations filed a new federal lawsuit against the Sheriff Stanley Sniff and the County of Riverside over handgun carry license policies and practices that, the plaintiffs allege, are unconstitutional.
https://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ri...BdOXCEHzUNRrPc
__________________
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." B.Franklin,1759
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-21-2018, 12:54 AM
pacrat pacrat is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Socialist Republic of SoCal
Posts: 5,269
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Those that forget history, are destined to repeat it! >paraphrased<

Obviously most here have forgotten the big "SNIFFGATE" stink on CalGuns during the 2014 election cycle. Which IIRC, lasted for months and topped 2,000 posts. Most of which were definite negatives in the Sniff column.


That was then, and this is now, or is this just a rerun? Because Sniff was given undeserved endorsements and promotions at that time also. From NRA, CRPA, and CGSSA.

It is very easy to write a few letters a year claiming to be a staunch supporter of 2A, to the legislature. Who history has shown, likely don't even read them. And fill out a questionaire claiming the same, from the NRA and CRPA. While also adding your name to letters from CSSA also claiming same 2a support.

How many other politicians can you name, that claim 2a support while consistently undermining the same 2a? Sniff is just one of a very long list.

The litmus test of who is, and who is not, an actual 2A supporter; is not in letters written, or disingenuous speeches given. It is in these words, and time proven support of same.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Lets do a comparison of Sniff, and a TRUE 2A sheriff. Whose cnty BTW borders RivCo.

Sniff has been in office since Oct 2007. According to CRPA link below. He has issued less than 2,000 CCWs in his 11 yrs in office. CRPA claims he has another 450 being processed. So benefit of the doubt, lets round it up to 2,5000 CCWs in 11 yr. >>>227 per anum avg<<< Or 0.6 per day.

Has a 2+yr backlog of applicants. Has implemented many extraneous and extra legal policies, detrimental to ease of aquiring a CCW. And is given a big Hoorah by CRPA for finally hiring, just before this election cycle ONE CLERK to assist with said backlog.

Not quite what most 2A advocates would call a stellar record of support for the "KEEP AND BEAR ARMS" part of the SECOND AMENDMENT!

https://www.crpa.org/crpa-news/river...-ccw-issuance/


While at the OCSD, bordering Sniff on the south. Sandra Hutchens has been in office since June of 2008. She has issued, at last count, almost 15,000 CCWs in 10 yrs. >>>1500 per anum avg.<<< or 4.1 per day.
And has lessened all requirements to bare minimun required by state PC. And if you care to read the OCSD CCW link provided. You can go start to finish with the whole CCW process in a matter of a few weeks.

Don Barnes, the current undersheriff, who is the top favorite to take the sheriffs slot in Nov has pledged to do everything possible to facilitate CCW applications in as speedy as possible manner.

https://www.californiagunpermit.com/...in-the-oc.html

I've been an NRA LIFE MEMBER since 1979. And a LIFE MEMBER of CRPA since not long after Chuck Michel took the helm. As such, I feel entitled to disagree with bad choices for candidates they promote.

Sniff is slightly better than nothing [LASD McDonnel]. But far from a good choice as a 2A sheriff.

JM2c

Last edited by pacrat; 10-21-2018 at 12:56 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-21-2018, 9:26 PM
-hanko's Avatar
-hanko -hanko is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area & SW Idaho
Posts: 10,754
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

packrat, great post but I'd be both shocked and pleasantly surprised if and when CRPA ever decides to respond. To me, it's suggestive of a cabal involving CRPA, H.Paul Payne (sp?), and Sheriff Sniff.
__________________
Tactical is like boobs...you can sell anything with it....arf

If I could live my life all over,
It wouldn't matter anyway,
'Cause I never could stay sober
On the Corpus Christi Bay. Robert Earl Keene

Heaven goes by favor.
If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-22-2018, 10:04 AM
MURRIETA45's Avatar
MURRIETA45 MURRIETA45 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 451
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

I'm curious why new member (10-03-18) CRPA_CommunicationDept hasn't chimed in on this issue.

Mark
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-22-2018, 4:08 PM
pacrat pacrat is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Socialist Republic of SoCal
Posts: 5,269
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Below is a copy of an Email I sent to CRPA.org today.

Quote:
I sincerely Protest the undeserved endorsement of Stan Sniff for re-election as Riverside Cnty Sheriff by CRPA. He has a history of paying lip service to NRA and CRPA to gain their support. Then only writing a few useless unread letters to Ca Legislature. Which he knows will be ignored, as they always are. If he was a true 2A supporter. He would have used his discretion granted under Ca PC to be a "SHALL ISSUE" sheriff. He made the same empty promises Re. CCW back in 2014. Gained an A rating from NRA. Then did nothing to remove all of HIS extraneous and extra legal requirements. And little to increase CCW issuance in RivCo.

Here we are, 4 yrs later and he is making the same empty promises. And again duping NRA and CRPA to gain endorsement.

Please retract CRPA support for Sniff. And support a true 2A sheriff candidate [Chad Bianco]

Sincerely XXXX XXXXXXXX,
CRPA Senior Life Member
Now I wait.

<<<EDIT>>> I also PMed new member "CRPA_CommunicationDept", and requested that they respond to this thread.

Last edited by pacrat; 10-22-2018 at 4:18 PM.. Reason: addition
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 7:19 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
Calguns.net and The Calguns Foundation have no affiliation and are in no way related to each other.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.