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Old 03-14-2018, 6:21 PM
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In San Diego, there are matches every Saturday and Sunday at Pala. I really like the long range tactical match at Avenal. That Tibosaurex Rex dude is doing a clinic there all this weekend. That is a GREAT range.

The Varmint matches at Pala are really really fun. Very little stress. 10 steel targets to knock over in 7 minutes from 200-600 yards. Lots of fun. NO stress.
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Yeah, get with it: USPSA, IDPA, Multigun, Action Pistol,
Steel Challenge, SASS; whatever.

Get off your *** and jump in.

You think you are good; but until you are in competition, you suck: a wannabe, a mall ninja, a gun polisher.

Start shooting for sport.

Do it now!
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Old 03-14-2018, 6:36 PM
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In the sac area, how does one get started?

I just purchased a CZ Tac Sport a couple weeks ago. That's as far as I've gotten...

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Iíve only shot rifle matches at Sac Valley (Folsom Shooting Club), but almost everybody there is really helpful. You could try checking their calendar of events, clicking on one of them, and seeing what contact info they have.

You could also go there and shoot on the open range and talk to some of the people who work there.
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Supply me the ammo and I'm in.
Shoot 9mm and you're looking at what, $50 a match. All skills are perishable and gun skills are important. I know most Ccw guys only shoot once every year or two.

I don't want to be the pot calling a kettle black though, I'll admit in the last calendar year I've only shot three matches. Physical issues. And I'm not too good. But it's an eye opener for sure.

In sac I think you need to go to Davis. Go on practiscore.com and look for matches. I will say the Central Valley has this for it, if you're willing to drive 45 min you can shoot a match every weekend. CCPL has two USPSA and a Steel Challenge, CVSC has a USPSA and Tulare (Rankin? Only been twice) has one. And some of the hands down, absolute best guys I've had the pleasure to meet has been through USPSA.

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Never shot a match. However, i have my private place to shoot and adding a shot timer changed how i shoot dramatically
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Iíve only shot rifle matches at Sac Valley (Folsom Shooting Club), but almost everybody there is really helpful. You could try checking their calendar of events, clicking on one of them, and seeing what contact info they have.

You could also go there and shoot on the open range and talk to some of the people who work there.
Very true, I was just there a couple weeks ago and had every intention of stopping into the main office to look into it. Unfortunately I shut the place down and couldn't get my guns in the truck fast enough before they closed up shop. I usually bring everything I've got when I go there because they have the carts... I didn't even have enough time to shoot my AKs! Oh well, I guess that's another reason to load up and head out there again, oh darn!

I read the USPSA hand book and looked into some introduction videos to USPSA matches. Do people normally shoot .40 due to the scoring technique?

Also, do you know how to get access to the action pistol range? Just become a non voting member?

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Yeah, get with it: USPSA, IDPA, Multigun, Action Pistol,
Steel Challenge, SASS; whatever.

Get off your *** and jump in.

You think you are good; but until you are in competition, you suck: a wannabe, a mall ninja, a gun polisher.

Start shooting for sport.

Do it now!
I'm content to be a "nerd" thanks.

Went to "compete" and there was 3 hours of standing around for every 5 minutes of being on the line actually competing. My time is more valuable than that. I'll take a class where 20 of us are "competing" against our previous best all at the same time. I'm not looking for a social club, I'm looking for skills, and I get more bang for the buck (or hour, as the case may be) by paying for a class.

But, enjoy your "competing" by all means. Hey, folks who are students. retired, or laid off, or on disability... they have that kind of time to spare and godspeed to them. I don't. I've got yard work, and home repairs, and a full time job and a part-time job plus a wife and other hobbies/interests/responsibilities. For people like me, it really does come down to not "well geez, it's Sunday and I've got 8 hours to kill... maybe go shoot?" It's more like "I've got 8 hours THIS QUARTER to focus on my firearm skills... who's going to give me the best return on that investment?" Maybe part of it is I don't enjoy the standing-around-waiting time... I don't care for small-talk, chit-chat, shooting the bull. If others do, good for them. Not my idea of fun and not my idea of a return on the invested time.

But then, I am a nerd... an employed, busy, married nerd.

Enjoy the competition! Hey if I was single and no responsibilities I'd likely be right out there with you. I'd love to have the time and money to get into 3-gun... not happening any time soon though. Enjoy it for me if you will.
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Would love to get into competition, but unfortunately for my hobby, my actual work and family responsibilities take first priority. I'm lucky if I can snatch an hour here or there during the week to watch a TV show or read a book (as I'm a bibliophile as much as a hoplophile), let alone have a whole Saturday off to drive close to 100 miles round trip to shoot guns against a clock.

Maybe when the kiddies are grown and out of my hair, but certainly not now.
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What's the situation with high cap mags in USPSA matches? Are they setting shooting boxes in a stage to be 10 round neutral?
uspsa production and limited 10 are for 10 round magazines, even in free states.

as far as +10 round magazines and other things, it is a don't ask, don't tell.
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Exaggerate much?
Actually, as was pointed out to me, the actual shooting time for a 8 stage 56-60 round match is more like 2-5 minutes. So.... guess I did exaggerate (the wrong way).
My point still stands.
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Old 03-14-2018, 8:03 PM
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Actually, as was pointed out to me, the actual shooting time for a 8 stage 56-60 round match is more like 2-5 minutes. So.... guess I did exaggerate (the wrong way).
My point still stands.
That was my biggest complaint when I used to shoot IPSC. At a big match it was eight stages, two days, 20 seconds a stage.

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Actually, as was pointed out to me, the actual shooting time for a 8 stage 56-60 round match is more like 2-5 minutes. So.... guess I did exaggerate (the wrong way).
My point still stands.
You only get to shoot about 7 rounds per stage? Sounds like the crappiest match ever.
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uspsa production and limited 10 are for 10 round magazines, even in free states.

as far as +10 round magazines and other things, it is a don't ask, don't tell.
Do they set up the stages so you don't have to do a standing reload if you're shooting a ten round gun?
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Do they set up the stages so you don't have to do a standing reload if you're shooting a ten round gun?
Not always. And Single Stack only gets 8 rounds. And revolver shooters have to reload after 6 rounds.
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Old 03-14-2018, 8:34 PM
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Very true, I was just there a couple weeks ago and had every intention of stopping into the main office to look into it. Unfortunately I shut the place down and couldn't get my guns in the truck fast enough before they closed up shop. I usually bring everything I've got when I go there because they have the carts... I didn't even have enough time to shoot my AKs! Oh well, I guess that's another reason to load up and head out there again, oh darn!

I read the USPSA hand book and looked into some introduction videos to USPSA matches. Do people normally shoot .40 due to the scoring technique?

Also, do you know how to get access to the action pistol range? Just become a non voting member?

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Sorry, Iím unable to answer those questions. Compared to how I shoot a rifle, I suck bad at pistol. I probably should practice more often, but with a 5, 4, and 2 year old and a 9 day old, well, you know...

We do plan to become members there when the kids are a little older though!
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Yeah, get with it: USPSA, IDPA, Multigun, Action Pistol,
Steel Challenge, SASS; whatever.

Get off your *** and jump in.

You think you are good; but until you are in competition, you suck: a wannabe, a mall ninja, a gun polisher.

Start shooting for sport.

Do it now!
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I will usually spend maybe from eight in the morning until 130 at a match . For the complainers compare this to golf where you probably spend 110 seconds hitting the ball and the rest of the time chasing it LOL
This is true and if everyone takes the OP's advice... the waits will just get longer...

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You only get to shoot about 7 rounds per stage? Sounds like the crappiest match ever.
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Not always. And Single Stack only gets 8 rounds. And revolver shooters have to reload after 6 rounds.

I shoot USPSA matches with guys that have 8 shot revolvers.
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Shooting at paper gets boring and doesn't really build a lot of important skills. Southern California has matches to attend every weekend and ocassional weekdays. I've started trying to shoot a match a week, and it is starting to burn through ammo. 90 rounds per gun at one combat steel match, 200 ish rounds at a 2 gun match, 250 rounds for a 1 day uspsa, 125ish rounds at idpa night....bowling pin matches.....know your limit steel matches...etc. Plus ammo for practice! The idea of competition is very daunting, but if you find yourself at the shooting range even once or twice a month already it's worth your time to try it.
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Yeah, get with it: USPSA, IDPA, Multigun, Action Pistol,
Steel Challenge, SASS; whatever.

Get off your *** and jump in.

You think you are good; but until you are in competition, you suck: a wannabe, a mall ninja, a gun polisher.

Start shooting for sport.

Do it now!
Not everyone has the personality / drive and mindset / physical ability to be able to or want to compete.. and that is OK! I would simply encourage everyone to just get out and shoot... in whatever manner floats your boat. I think the intent of the OP's message is laudable, his delivery is a bit too over the top on this subject.
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Or...

...just throwing this out there...

...what you could do is shoot competitions occasionally, and then tailor your private range trips to work on what you discovered you sucked at during the last competition.
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I shoot USPSA matches with guys that have 8 shot revolvers.
Then theyíre shooting Minor power factor.
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Is tons if fun.... when competing, my biggest challenge is not getting disqualified

My fav is practice time. Less people and more shooting

That said, this absence does not a nerd make. Just missing out on all kinds of fun
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Yeah, get with it: USPSA, IDPA, Multigun, Action Pistol,
Steel Challenge, SASS; whatever.

Get off your *** and jump in.

You think you are good; but until you are in competition, you suck: a wannabe, a mall ninja, a gun polisher.

Start shooting for sport.

Do it now!
I would rather they didn't. The ranges can barely handle the traffic they get now.
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...what you could do is shoot competitions occasionally, and then tailor your private range trips to work on what you discovered you sucked at during the last competition.
Embrace the suck! It will make things better.
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I do enjoy IDPA matches and regularly shoot in an IDPA style match, BUT.... in OC/LA there are very few matches and those that are out there (Piru and Prado for example) draw nearly 100 shooters at a time. Making it more like Disneyland than shooting as you may wait 8 or more hours to shoot 50-60rounds over 10 or 15 minutes of actual shooting time.
Try shooting USPSA as we are done within 4 hours max. and it is every week at Prado.
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Do they set up the stages so you don't have to do a standing reload if you're shooting a ten round gun?
Yes, per rules maximum amount of shot per array in a stage is 8 shots. So, unless you are shooting a revolver or single stack and have to shoot make up shots you are reloading on the move most of the time.
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Yes, per rules maximum amount of shot per array in a stage is 8 shots.
What matches are set up like this??
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What matches are set up like this??
All USPSA matches and most IDPA MATCHES (IDPA is even less at times per array). In a USPSA match a 32 round (max. per rules) stage would have a minimum of 4 arrays of 8.

BTW, when I say array I mean a shooting position. Here is an example of a stage from a recent match with different arrays.

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Lot of reasons people do not compete.

1. They subconsciously have a phobia of competing or are self conscious. I was and still fall in this category.

2. Do not have the time to break off from work or family. Which is why it seems competitors are stereotypically young unmarried guys who have significant others who are not threatened by them spending time away, or 40 year olds who have no kids or whose kids have left home.

3. They convince themselves that competition is stupid and "will get you killed on the street".

4. Say that you wait 6 hours to shoot 6 minutes.

5. Irked that the jersey wearing racers may call them tactical timmys. (but its no different when operators make fun of the gamers with clown shoes). : )

6. Convince themselves that USPSA guys are jerks who nickel and dime the rules and are unfriendly and contentious. Far from the truth and I based my opinion on a sample set of 1. I fell into this category for years and was proved very wrong last year. At least in the local level - some of the nicest guys.

7. Feel they are pressured to run or physically contort themselves when they may not be physically, comfortably or safely be able to.

Each excuse feeds off one or two of other bullet items - and people take it WAY too seriously when the topic comes up, almost like a personal attack.
When I tell a few of my friends I compete I have gotten chastised (see #3) which perplexes me. "You know that's just a game right?" I never said it was not, or that it made me SEAL team 6. : )
I for one am not competitive but wished I stepped out of my shell sooner.

Best thing to do is be supportive and not contentious when trying to win more friends and participants. : ) just realize its just another GAME and another tool in your toolbox.

And hey there is no way to pressure a guy to compete if they don't want to. Just be supportive and don't patronize them or put em down (not saying anyone here is ofcourse). When was the last time you forced your girlfriend to eat at a restaurant Oprah told her not to go to?

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Actually, as was pointed out to me, the actual shooting time for a 8 stage 56-60 round match is more like 2-5 minutes. So.... guess I did exaggerate (the wrong way).
My point still stands.
I'm a relative rookie to IDPA and USPSA, but I have not heard of an '8 stage 56 - 60 round match'.
That would be very frustrating.

I (and everyone in the squad) usually shoot about 250 rounds in an 8 stage match and in one case I took 350 rounds and went home with 2 rounds remaining.
I now pack 400 rounds per match just to be safe.

The learning curve is tremendous and with everyone watching your every move, the pressure to do well without getting rattled or a DQ is significant.
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All USPSA matches and most IDPA MATCHES (IDPA is even less at times per array). In a USPSA match a 32 round (max. per rules) stage would have a minimum of 4 arrays of 8.

BTW, when I say array I mean a shooting position. Here is an example of a stage from a recent match with different arrays.

I believe you can have more than 8 rounds in a target array in IDPA....
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I believe you can have more than 8 rounds in a target array in IDPA....
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I really miss all of the IDPA guys and gals at ISI. =(
They were all so awesome to shoot with. I'd still be shooting IDPA if they were around.
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Yes I can't support this enough. You need to be shooting as frequently as you possibly can.

I shoot a 3 gun "Practice" Match and Winchester Canyon as often as I can. 1st Sunday of every month Fires and Rain permitting. This is low key stuff and nobody as trying to be a national champion, but it keeps you in the game.

I also go to Front Sight at least twice a year to keep my fundamentals in. The good thing about FS is once you become a member you can go as often as you want and all it takes is time and ammo. If you have a Camper or Motorhome you don't even have to pay for a Motel. I try to do at least two classes every trip. Next time will be Rifle and Shotgun.

One thing you all need to consider is that the cost of Store bought ammo will be going up, and getting it in the first place will be problematic at best. CRPA has challenges to all these BS Laws but they will take time to resolve and may not go our way.

I highly suggest that you start reloading your own ASAP. The costs to get setup aren't that much relatively speaking, and the ability to make ammo instead of Buying Factory Made Ammo can save you a bunch of money and hassles.

I've already heard all the excuses of why you can't start reloading and they are all BS. If you really want to you can make it happen. No time, make time. No Space? I sell the finest Portable Reloading Machine ever made, and if you have a kitchen table or coffee table you have room. Storage is in a HF or Lowes tool bag.

The guy above with 4 kids won't have time for himself for anything for the next 18 years. To keep it limited to only 18 years I'd suggest a Vasectomy ?

If you really get into Reloading for Pistols then you also need to cast your own boolits. I can reload any pistol round for .07-.10 cents ea. I load .40 S&W, .44 Spec/Magnum, and .45 ACP. .03-4 for a primer, .04-7 for powder and the boolits only cost my time.

If you don't reload you'll never be able to afford to shoot enough to get good.

Also if you watch the gun shows on the Outdoor Channel it will keep you interested in the subject.

My .02 on this subject.

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