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Old 03-11-2018, 9:36 PM
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Hey Guys, I was at the range today and next to me was an older gentleman shooting what looked like an old 6'' Prelock Smith, (which was very nice btw, the bluing on it was fantastic..) Anyways, he starts shooting and all of a sudden it felt like some particles from the revolver's sideblast hit the side of my face. I thought no big deal, I get hit with spent casings and shiit all the time so I just kept on shooting. The man takes another shot and some more particles blast out from the side of his revolver and hit the side of my head, I'm starting to think this ain't normal cause this time it felt like it could've cut me and if it got into my eye it would've been bad.

I look to my right and I see the guy touching his face to check if he got hit by something, when he brings his hand back down from his face I saw a bit of blood on his finger tips and it looked like he got a small cut from some shrapnel. I asked him if his revolver is shooting stuff out the sides and he said yeah he felt it too, I asked him if he's shooting reloads or factory ammo thinking that might've been the problem but he said he was using factory ammo and didn't know why that was happening. He packs up his revolver and called it a day.

I'm not too familiar with Revolvers but I've shot next to people using them and recently acquired my first one. I've never had something like this happen before. Was there something wrong with his Revolver or am I just an idiot and this is normal with revolvers?
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Old 03-11-2018, 9:46 PM
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Revolvers do blow crap out the sides, but youget one with excessive gap and a miss timed cylinder, a whole lot more crap gets spat out.
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It's not timed right and shaving rounds. No shame in saying 'Hey man, something's wrong and you're peppering me with lead' while on the range.
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Old 03-11-2018, 9:47 PM
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It's very possible the timing was out on that revolver.

The cylinders were lined up enough to be hit by the firing pin but as they entered the barrels forcing cone area lead (or possibly the jacket if he was using jacketed ammo) was being shaved off and ejected. I think that's what you guys were getting hit with.
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I agree that the timing is off causing the "shrapnel"
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My SP-101 was spitting at me so I sent it to Ruger and they sent me a new one. They said it was not able to be fixed.
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Timing is off.

As described above.
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I hate it when that happens. My worst experience was a Llama revolver. That thing was painful to shoot.
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My buds ruger 6 is doing that. blast his finger.
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My buds ruger 6 is doing that. blast his finger.
He should probably contact Ruger about that; see about sending it in to be checked.
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Once I had blasting from gap,
it was caused by built up copper on one groove around forcing cone.
reamed a little and it’s OK now, timing was perfect.
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My buds ruger 6 is doing that. blast his finger.
Just curious, how is he gripping the gun? If the timing is off, doesn't the shrapnel fly 90 degrees out? How are his fingers getting blasted?
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Just curious, how is he gripping the gun? If the timing is off, doesn't the shrapnel fly 90 degrees out? How are his fingers getting blasted?
It doesn't blast out at 90 degrees, depends on how bad out of time it is and how bad forcing cone is. In 2016 I bought brand new S&W 63, that was spewing debris at my hands when I was shooting it. I send it back to S&W and they replaced cylinder and re-cut forcing cone to fix it.
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Old 03-12-2018, 8:12 AM
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It doesn't blast out at 90 degrees, depends on how bad out of time it is and how bad forcing cone is. In 2016 I bought brand new S&W 63, that was spewing debris at my hands when I was shooting it. I send it back to S&W and they replaced cylinder and re-cut forcing cone to fix it.
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Hickok 45 does a pretty good youtube video on revolver side blast. I think it’s under ‘how to shoot a revolver’, and luckily it’s not one of the long winded videos.
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Timing off or forcing cone wasn't cut.
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Own a revolver long enough and shoot it enough it will happen to you.
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Was it a .357 magnum? Possible causes: timing and/or forcing cone not properly reamed. In my heavy revolver days, I recall this happening especially when shooting full factory ammo with lead bullets. My brother had a S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman back in the late 1960s that did it badly with factory lead ammo.

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I hate it when that happens. My worst experience was a Llama revolver. That thing was painful to shoot.
My worst was a friends Rossi.
Lead was building up on one side of the forcing cone.

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Wraparound eye protection is a good investment if you plan to spend more then a trivial amount of time at a shooting range. You can't tell the quality of the guns from the guy shooting next to you.
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"... an old 6'' Prelock Smith, (which was very nice btw, the bluing on it was fantastic... "

Gotta love S&W's customer service... Had the same issue on a 6" 617 that I picked up used. Contacted Customer Service
and they sent me a mailing label, post haste. Pretty sure their lifetime warranty is for original owner, but they took care of it
(forcing cone) no questions asked... with free shipping both directions.
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One other possibility: The old TV "load the cylinder and flip the revolver closed" can generate enough force to bend the ejector rod and skew the cylinder to frame alignment. Sure way to piss off the guy shooting next to you.
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This is why I dont wear flip flops to the baseball games anymore, too much side blast hitting me in the bathroom.
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One other possibility: The old TV "load the cylinder and flip the revolver closed" can generate enough force to bend the ejector rod and skew the cylinder to frame alignment. Sure way to piss off the guy shooting next to you.
The damage is not to the ejection rod, but to the yoke/crane.
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This is why I dont wear flip flops to the baseball games anymore, too much side blast hitting me in the bathroom.
If it's your side blast, not so bad. But if it's from the guy next to you ....
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Revolver was spitting?

Maybe it was a ' snake gun' after all.
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The damage is not to the ejection rod, but to the yoke/crane.
Damage can be to either. Lots of mass stopping abruptly. In any case, it's a bad practice.
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Was it a .357 magnum? Possible causes: timing and/or forcing cone not properly reamed. In my heavy revolver days, I recall this happening especially when shooting full factory ammo with lead bullets. My brother had a S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman back in the late 1960s that did it badly with factory lead ammo.

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I had a NEW model 28 with the non glossy bluing in the 80s that did that, as well as the cylinder face binding on the forcing cone with heat expansion. The gap was too small..

S&W did fix it after returning it to the factory.
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Happened to me with my Dan Wesson 15-2 a while back. Turns out I hadn't adjusted the barrel to cylinder gap correctly after disassembling the revolver. Everything was fine after setting it to the recommended .006 gap.
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It's not timed right and shaving rounds. No shame in saying 'Hey man, something's wrong and you're peppering me with lead' while on the range.
You can prove it by holding up a piece of paper perpendicularly next to the cylinder gap. Scorching should be expected but not particles penetrating the paper.
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I agree if lead shavings are being ejected, the timing is off.

On the other hand, a revolver in excellent condition will squirt hot gases and power particles out the side. Hickock45 has a video to demonstrate this. He took a paper target, about 10”X12”, and rolled it up, then held it beside the revolver he was firing. The blast cut the target in two. Keep your hands away from the cylinder barrel area.
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Whenever you buy a revolver always check out the top strap above the gap. You can get a pretty good indication of how many rounds by how deep the cut is in the top strap. Ruger pulled their 30 carbine and 357 Maximum from the market due to too much torching of the top strap.
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