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Old 03-23-2016, 3:42 PM
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So what's up with the Seecamp .380? My mom is looking at one and I really know nothing about them. I went over other more common, less expensive options with her, but she's old-school and likes the idea of steel.
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It's heavier than other pocket guns in that caliber.

The .380ACP version is not on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.
There is one .32ACP variant that is listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

Friend's dad has the Seecamp in .32ACP.
It's reliable and the DAO trigger is better than the Kel-Tec P-32 trigger.
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You can find a lot of info on their website. Seecamps do NOT have any sights. They are a small company without much, if any, aftermarket support. Those who own them tend to love them for small carry guns. I know the .32s are very finicky when it comes to ammo. I don't have any first hand experience with the .380s.
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They are designed for and like Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints. May be a little fussy with other rounds, try them and see, but the Silvertips are reliable.
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I have a .32 and qualified with it for my ccw. The shooting left my trigger finger bleeding. I started a thread about it, the advice seemed to be tape up the finger before shooting, but I plan to dehorn the trigger guard. Just haven't had a chance.

IIRC, the .380 is the same size as the .32. It's difficult to shoot, but it conceals like a zippo lighter.

I'll never sell mine.
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The Seecamp are only designed to work with Winchester Silvertips and any round with a similar profile and length. You can only purchase one used P2P unless you're exempt, then you can purchase it new. I hear there is still a waiting list even today. What few people I know that have them wouldn't give them up for anything.
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The Seecamp are only designed to work with Winchester Silvertips and any round with a similar profile and length. You can only purchase one used P2P unless you're exempt, then you can purchase it new. I hear there is still a waiting list even today. What few people I know that have them wouldn't give them up for anything.
Yes, there is a waiting list for new ones. There is also a .32 on the CA roster so, you do not need to be exempt to purchase a .32.
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The 32 is unpleasant to shoot. I would imagine the 380 would be downright awful.
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These threads kill me. I don't really enjoy shooting "unpleasant" guns but these make me curious. Kind of like a challenge. Hmm. .32? Yeah, might have to look into that.
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My wife looked at a used .32. The slide is very slick, the springs very stiff. She could not pull it back all the way, it would slip out of her hand. An S&W Bodyguard .380 is a better choice for a woman.
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Thanks for the great input, everyone.

My Mom's in Maine, so...you know. And while Seecamps seem to have quite a following and seem to hold value, I think I'm going to advise against it, since she's going on 77 (although she is kick-*** tough). I think she should have something she can rack the slide on...and comfortably shoot every now and then...using sights...without getting a bloody finger...with whatever ammo is available.

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Anyone (male or female) who is 77 should consider the fact that their strength may be going and they won't be able to cycle a slide. So, I would suggest that she considers revolvers or semi autos with tip up barrels such as a Beretta model 86.
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Anyone (male or female) who is 77 should consider the fact that their strength may be going and they won't be able to cycle a slide. So, I would suggest that she considers revolvers or semi autos with tip up barrels such as a Beretta model 86.
I was going to suggest a revolver as well.
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Coq, I think your mom would be better served looking elsewhere as well.
I personally really like the .32 Seecamp for what it is. However, one thing that isn't often mentioned is the somewhat different manual of arms required to unload the pistol. The Seecamp has a magazine disconnect safety. Here's the different part. Once the mag is removed, the slide CANNOT be retracted all the way back ejecting the live cartridge in the chamber. To empty a Seecamp, you need to release the mag catch and pull the mag out just enough that the mag disconnect safety hasn't engaged yet, allowing the slide to be retracted all the way to eject the live round, yet far enough out that the slide doesn't pick up a fresh round off the mag on its way forward. Also, the trigger bar can be damaged if you try and pull the trigger with a mag partially removed. It's a beautiful, tiny pocket jewelry semi auto. In .32 it is not really enjoyable to shoot. In .380, I have to imagine I'd shoot it once or twice and never again. If I do ever find one in .380, I am buying it though. Good luck. There are a lot of great, small, quality semi autos or revolvers available to her living in the free states.


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Old 03-25-2016, 3:32 PM
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Luckily, she's gotten over the Seecamp...thanks in part to the input from this thread! And for the record, she does already have a little revolver.

She's currently checking out a variety of stuff that does include the little Beretta Tomcat mentioned above (blowback with flip up barrel)...but those seem difficult to find.

The cool thing is my Mom is having a blast shopping for guns...she's really gotten into it.

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Keep an eye out for a Beretta with a Tip up barrel. They do pop up occasionally. If she has the strength to rack the slide, perhaps a Sig P232 (blue/alloy frame) or a Beretta Cheetah (allot frame also IIRC). Both are in 380, full size grip, not too hard to rack, and with a grip that is easier to handle. Beretta even carries 13 rounds if you're not restricted.
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Have your Mom handle a .380 sig P238. I think she would be able to rack the slide as it doesn't require much if any real strength to do so. The HD and HDW models are steel framed, the rest of the lineup are aluminum framed. They are single action unlike the Seacamp.

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My wife ended up with the Beretta Tomcat .32 ACP with the tip up barrel. Anyone can load that gun.

It's not fun to shoot, it rubs my trigger finger and has a nasty habit of throwing brass back into your face. It's not very accurate for a mouse gun.

I much prefer my S&W Shield, a pleasure to shoot.
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I strongly recommend a mid size revolver. NOT a small one, but one with enough size and weight to mitigate the recoil. Also with a .38 cal NOT a 357. the .38 will have plenty of bang and yet still be something she can control.
As with all such recommendations, be sure she gets training with the actual gun she gets.
Small guns really hurt a lot more than guns with some mass.

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Thanks for the great input, everyone.

My Mom's in Maine, so...you know. And while Seecamps seem to have quite a following and seem to hold value, I think I'm going to advise against it, since she's going on 77 (although she is kick-*** tough). I think she should have something she can rack the slide on...and comfortably shoot every now and then...using sights...without getting a bloody finger...with whatever ammo is available.

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You can find a lot of info on their website. Seecamps do NOT have any sights. They are a small company without much, if any, aftermarket support. Those who own them tend to love them for small carry guns. I know the .32s are very finicky when it comes to ammo. I don't have any first hand experience with the .380s.
They have plenty of support. Larry Seacamp is usually the one I speak with. All stainless steel, its a piece of art. Mine is ultra reliable with silvertips. This is the ammo Seacamp wants run in their guns. Works perfect, much more than I can say of some of the other pocket pistols I have.
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I agree with nickel plate, tell her to at least take a look at the Sig P238. Metal frame, good sights, easy to rack the slide and mild recoil because it's not a blowback. It is a little bigger than the Seecamp, but it's still a small gun. Also, single action autos aren't for everyone.
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They have plenty of support. Larry Seacamp is usually the one I speak with. All stainless steel, its a piece of art. Mine is ultra reliable with silvertips. This is the ammo Seacamp wants run in their guns. Works perfect, much more than I can say of some of the other pocket pistols I have.
The company is no longer owned by the Seecamps. The person you quoted was referring to aftermarket support, ie accessories.
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I was the same.. about liking all steel.. I had an interarms ppk/s .380 that was a beauty and reliable after break in. But it was difficult to rack and the recoil brutal. Traded it for a kimber micro stainless .380 last year. Aluminum frame, much smaller, less recoil and easy to rack. It is my carry piece. Got over the aversion to aluminum after purchasing and enjoying my mossberg 590 a1.
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Update: Well, my Mom put an order in for a Beretta 3032 Tomcat...then picked up a Lady Smith .38 to play with while she is waiting. Plus she's still shopping. Haha.
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The Seecamp .32 can fire normal rounds (FMJ) if you remove the wire spacer from the mag.
I didn't bother- mine feeds silvertips and buffalo bore loads without any issues.

I still don't understand recoil complaints- the .32 shakes a little when you fire it. I can see how the 380 would be unpleasant, I've heard it needs a new recoil spring every few hundred rounds.

On my .32, I cant the gun 45 degrees to the side- you can use the 'V' formed where the barrel meets the slide as an aiming channel- it's quite effective. You can make head shots at 7-9 yards using that. I do with they at least gave you a groove, or a front bead, or SOMETHING to aim the thing with.

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The Seecamp isn't designed to be a range gun. It is no fun to shoot. It is designed as a self defense tool. For that purpose, it excels simply because you will forget it is even in your pocket. Strapping on a larger pistol is just too impractical for me.

I qualified for my CCW with my .32 even without sights. I agree with a prior poster that it will be the last gun I ever sell. The ammo is a bit finicky but you can find what works and what doesn't. Buffalo Barnes +P copper bullets work great in mine with an extra strength magazine spring from Wolff.

The slide racking is not much of an issue since you carry it with a round in the chamber like a revolver. It's long double action pull is the same "safety" as any revolver.
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Love my Seecamp 32. Have no problems racking the slide, or shooting it accurately without sights. It is finicky with ammo other than Winchester silver tips and hornady hollow points. It fits in the change pocket of my jeans and disappears.
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The slide racking is not much of an issue since you carry it with a round in the chamber like a revolver.
So it's ok to have a revolver that the cylinder is so stiff once loaded the operator cant open it?
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The .32 has a quirk
You cannot open the slide without the magazine in place.

It makes manipulations different.

Once can also damage a trigger part if you attempt to squeeze the trigger with the gun empty and the mag out, you will need a replacement part if you squeeze hard.


Great small guns from the 1990s. I am not sure in today’s market, they make sense in .380.

Lots of great small pistols
Glock 42/43
Ruger lc380 or lc9

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I had one in 32acp. It was difficult to shoot accurately because of it having no sights. It also keyholed with ammo which might be a plus since hollow points probably wouldn't expand, but it couldn't help accuracy. As for the 380 seecamp from everything I have read they are pretty brutal to shoot because of them being blowback. I now have a Ruger LCP Custom which I can shoot more accurately and is lighter to carry.
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I have the .32, and after shooting it several times I would not want to shoot the .380 version. But comparing a Seecamp to a LC9 or a Glock 43 is to miss the point of the Seecamp entirely. The gun is honestly half the size of a Glock 43. It is difficult to appreciate how tiny it is without having one next to another firearm, but it comes very close to fitting inside the box that standard playing cards come in.

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I have the .32, and after shooting it several times I would not want to shoot the .380 version. But comparing a Seecamp to a LC9 or a Glock 43 is to miss the point of the Seecamp entirely. The gun is honestly half the size of a Glock 43. It is difficult to appreciate how tiny it is without having one next to another firearm, but it comes very close to fitting inside the box that standard playing cards come in.
It would be more apt to compare the Seecamp LWS series to other pocketguns and not with subcompacts & compacts.

Such as...
Beretta Model 21A
Beretta Model 3032
Beretta Pico
Cobra Arms CA series
Colt Mustang Lite
Colt Mustang Pocketlite
Diamondback Firearms DB380
Jimenez Arms JA series
Kahr Arms P-380
Kel-Tec P-32
Kel-Tec P-3AT
NAA Guardian
Remington RM380
Ruger LCP
Ruger LCP II
S&W Bodyguard 380
SIG P-238 series
Taurus TCP
Walther PPK
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I've had 4 seacamps all in 32acp . . 3 non ca and 1 ca version. Fun guns and can hid anywhere. I sold them all and they are not fun to shoot. They do fill a very specific roll.
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It would be more apt to compare the Seecamp LWS series to other pocketguns and not with subcompacts & compacts.

Such as...
Beretta Model 21A
Beretta Model 3032
Beretta Pico
Cobra Arms CA series
Colt Mustang Lite
Colt Mustang Pocketlite
Diamondback Firearms DB380
Jimenez Arms JA series
Kahr Arms P-380
Kel-Tec P-32
Kel-Tec P-3AT
NAA Guardian
Remington RM380
Ruger LCP
Ruger LCP II
S&W Bodyguard 380
SIG P-238 series
Taurus TCP
Walther PPK
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Seecamp 32. When I’m not carrying a g43 or a P7 and small size is crucial.





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Sorry if I missed it in an earlier post, but the Seecamps are blowback guns (fixed barrel, no mechanical lockup of the slide). That was standard on .22, .25s, .32s and .380s for many years. This design requires a fairly heavy slide and recoil spring, and accentuates felt recoil. I think Kel-Tec was the first to come out with an ultra-compact .32 ACP with a mechanical lockup system (like nearly all 9mm and up handguns use). With these, the barrel recoils with the slide for a short distance upon firing, and then tips down at the chamber to unlock it from the slide. This allows the gun to be lighter, and reduces felt recoil. I think all the really small .380s made in the last 15-20 years or so (Kel-Tec P3At, Ruger LCP, Kahr P380, Sig P238, Taurus, etc.) use this system. While I've handled and admire the Seecamps, their use of the blowback design makes them somewhat obsolete in my opinion - though obviously they can still serve their intended purpose just fine for those who like them.
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