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Yup, I posted here this morning...
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We'll find out in just two days
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That's a good thing IMO, for Low Powered Variables I prefer SFP or DFP which allows the brightness to be truly daytime bright.
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For higher magnification FFP has its advantages, but we are talking 1-6/8 aka Low Powered Variables.
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Understood. While it may not offer a clear advantage, what would be the dis-advantage of FFP on a LPV (other than cost)?
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With LPV's people usually are at the bottom (1X) or top (4/5/6/8) and the corresponding hashmarks are calculated at its highest magnification. No matter what reticle you use your dope needs to be calculated to your specific setup. One more more slight disadvantage is that the reticle can be difficult to pick up at 1X since it's usually much smaller.
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So its purely preference then...People always gripe about the daytime bright dot but I've found the illumination on scopes like the VCOG to be adequate.
At 1x you are not looking at the reticle the same way you would at 8x (or high magnification). I would argue that this is an advantage for FFP LPV scopes. No messy harsh marks and large reticle to distract you. You also have better FOV at 1x with an FFP since the entire reticle is shrunk down. Last edited by Paperchasin; 12-06-2017 at 4:50 PM.. |
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My only problem with FFP is that the reticle is only thin at the lowest setting. The reticle grows in relation to the target as the scope is zoomed to higher powers. At the highest settings, the reticle can become fat enough to obscure the target. Lots of youtube vids that show this. The advantage to the FFP is the graduations stay constant regardless of the zoom setting. In other words, one can use the graduations for accurate bullet drop at any power setting. The drawback to the RFP is the graduations are not constant throughout the zoom range. Most RFP scopes require the scope to be set to the highest setting in order for the actual bullet drop to match the reticle. For some, this is no big deal, particularly for the lower powered scopes like, 1 X 4 or 1 X 6. Because many people will be at the highest power setting when using the graduations for bullet drop. The advantage to the RFP is that the reticle stays thin at any power setting. Some people who shoot at small targets prefer a thin reticle. |
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I agree with cstactical on the 1-x scopes. I will choose SFP every time even though for long range precision I wouldn't be caught dead with a SFP reticle scope.
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Once top magnification gets beyond 6x or so with scopes that have a 24mm objective, I start leaning toward FFP reticle.
The reason really comes down to exit pupil size. If we look at a 1-6x24 scope, I get a 4mm exit pupil at 6x, and that perfectly sufficient for me to use for a good variety of lighting conditions. At 8x, we are down to 3mm and for some shots, I may want to dial the magnification down a little while still taking a fairly long shot with reticle used for holdover. With SFP, I need to know which exact magnification I am at and recalculate what reticle subtensions are at that setting. With FFP, I settle on the magnification I want, and fire a shot. I do not need to know what exactly that magnification is and reticle subtensions are always the same. That is why the 1-8x24 scope I use the most is Burris XTR II 1-8x24 with FFP reticle, while with 1-6x24 designs, I am equally comfortable recommending both SFP and FFP designs. A little while back I wrote about FFP vs SFP reticles here: http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=1915 ILya |
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Does anyone here have experience with the vortex 1-6 viper? I’m curious if the red dot in the middle is truly daylight bright. I’m in the market for either this optic or a razor HD but the price diffence is got me looking at cheaper options. I’m coming from the vortex viper 1-4 which has no true illuminated reticle it’s basicslly useless unless your indoors
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FFP is not a preference if you are shooting at small things far away, regardless of scope magnification. If you are SFP you really only have a 1 and 6X scope, as anything in between the holds are meaningless.
When you have targets at say, 475, 200, 250, 190, and 260 yards I use 8X for the 475yd target, and somewhere around 4 or 5X for the closer shots. The holds remain the same throughout. A couple of things I have come to feel are absolutely necessary in an AR scope- FFP- full power is not always needed and it is faster to engage some targets at 4,5,or 6X than 8 Zero Stops- I find it helpful to dial for my farthest target and the zip back to zero for close in targets. Uncluttered but usable BDC- some reticles are just crazy busy and distracting.
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It's hard to improve on a nearly perfect scope. Alot of people were concerned about the weight so this was one area of improvement that is welcomed by many.
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I held off on personally getting one until this announcement, I'll be picking one up eventually for myself
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At an extremely discounted price, I'm assuming?
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Absolutely I’m willing to pay under $1000 lol I think I’d be doing someone a favor that extra weight has got to be slowing them down a lot
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Honestly, I like that Vortex decided to make a lighter version. With all the Razor Gen II scopes, weight was one of my very few complaints. These are generally extremely competent designs. Personally, I would not mind seeing some additional reticles for the 1-6x24 that allow for some wind compensation at distance, but I have a strong suspicion that I am almost the only one who routinely shoots a bit further out with low range variables. With Razor's excellent optics, 6x can take you pretty far out, IMO.
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