Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Optics, Mounts, Rails and Sights
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Optics, Mounts, Rails and Sights If it aims your firearm, post about it here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-05-2017, 10:55 AM
Spike8484 Spike8484 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 479
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default New Vortex Razor HD 1-6 or 1-8

Just got word vorte. Is dropping new razor HD 1-6 or 1-8 in 2018.
Any insiders know what it really is I’m in the Market but will wait if something good is on its way
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-05-2017, 10:58 AM
skyscraper's Avatar
skyscraper skyscraper is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,121
iTrader: 37 / 100%
Default

That would be sweet. Hopefully its a 1-8 to complete with Trijicon's accupower. I'm about to buy that scope but will wait if Vortex is going to debut a razor 1-8 at SHOT in january.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-05-2017, 11:17 AM
CSTactical's Avatar
CSTactical CSTactical is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 4,030
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Yup, I posted here this morning...

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
No problem, let us know! By then the new Razor Gen? 1-? should be out

From Vortex this morning...

Can you spot the difference? Coming 2018.

Only one way to see it - sign up for our newsletter - drops 12/08/17 http://www.vortexoptics.com/content/vortex_enewsletter


__________________
Dealer for Zero Compromise Optic, Tangent Theta, Leupold, Nightforce, Vortex, Aimpoint, Desert Tech, Swarovski and more...
Call 916-670-1103 for Calguns pricing
www.cstactical.com
sales@cstactical.com
916-670-1103

http://www.cstactical.com/images/stories/About%*0Us%*0Logo.001.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-06-2017, 7:04 AM
skyscraper's Avatar
skyscraper skyscraper is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,121
iTrader: 37 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
Yup, I posted here this morning...
Help me out here... I don't see a difference

Do you think it is it going to be a 1-8?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-06-2017, 8:21 AM
CSTactical's Avatar
CSTactical CSTactical is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 4,030
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyscraper View Post
Help me out here... I don't see a difference

Do you think it is it going to be a 1-8?
We'll find out in just two days
__________________
Dealer for Zero Compromise Optic, Tangent Theta, Leupold, Nightforce, Vortex, Aimpoint, Desert Tech, Swarovski and more...
Call 916-670-1103 for Calguns pricing
www.cstactical.com
sales@cstactical.com
916-670-1103

http://www.cstactical.com/images/stories/About%*0Us%*0Logo.001.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-06-2017, 9:56 AM
skyscraper's Avatar
skyscraper skyscraper is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,121
iTrader: 37 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
We'll find out in just two days
Ok. I marked my calendar!!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-06-2017, 11:55 AM
dwalker's Avatar
dwalker dwalker is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,714
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Still not going to be FFP
__________________
Fear is the spare change that will keep you broke

Call him run-like-hell-when-shtf-guy or dial-911-guy but NEVER call an unarmed man "Security".
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-06-2017, 12:03 PM
CSTactical's Avatar
CSTactical CSTactical is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 4,030
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwalker View Post
Still not going to be FFP
That's a good thing IMO, for Low Powered Variables I prefer SFP or DFP which allows the brightness to be truly daytime bright.
__________________
Dealer for Zero Compromise Optic, Tangent Theta, Leupold, Nightforce, Vortex, Aimpoint, Desert Tech, Swarovski and more...
Call 916-670-1103 for Calguns pricing
www.cstactical.com
sales@cstactical.com
916-670-1103

http://www.cstactical.com/images/stories/About%*0Us%*0Logo.001.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-06-2017, 1:07 PM
Brush Guard Brush Guard is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 875
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

… and I like my cross hairs to stay thin, so as not to block out the target.

With a 1X6 or 1X8, I’ll be on the highest power setting if I need to use the graduations.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-06-2017, 1:19 PM
Spike8484 Spike8484 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 479
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Yes I don’t see how come everyone wants ffp what is the benefit of this over sfp?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-06-2017, 3:12 PM
Paperchasin's Avatar
Paperchasin Paperchasin is offline
YOU are next!!
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,389
iTrader: 494 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike8484 View Post
Yes I don’t see how come everyone wants ffp what is the benefit of this over sfp?
https://www.primalrights.com/library...t-3-sfp-vs-ffp
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-06-2017, 3:33 PM
CSTactical's Avatar
CSTactical CSTactical is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 4,030
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paperchasin View Post

For higher magnification FFP has its advantages, but we are talking 1-6/8 aka Low Powered Variables.
__________________
Dealer for Zero Compromise Optic, Tangent Theta, Leupold, Nightforce, Vortex, Aimpoint, Desert Tech, Swarovski and more...
Call 916-670-1103 for Calguns pricing
www.cstactical.com
sales@cstactical.com
916-670-1103

http://www.cstactical.com/images/stories/About%*0Us%*0Logo.001.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-06-2017, 3:41 PM
Paperchasin's Avatar
Paperchasin Paperchasin is offline
YOU are next!!
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,389
iTrader: 494 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
For higher magnification FFP has its advantages, but we are talking 1-6/8 aka Low Powered Variables.
Understood. While it may not offer a clear advantage, what would be the dis-advantage of FFP on a LPV (other than cost)?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-06-2017, 3:56 PM
Spike8484 Spike8484 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 479
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paperchasin View Post
Well I learned a lot seems like the ffp is the way to go especially if you use the bdc reticle system you know your holds and your good from 1x-6x or8x seems like other is too much to think about especially since I’m not always going to be maxed out on targets. Yes I would like to know any disadvantage of ffp seems like it’s more advantageous
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-06-2017, 4:02 PM
CSTactical's Avatar
CSTactical CSTactical is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 4,030
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paperchasin View Post
Understood. While it may not offer a clear advantage, what would be the dis-advantage of FFP on a LPV (other than cost)?
Answered it above...
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
That's a good thing IMO, for Low Powered Variables I prefer SFP or DFP which allows the brightness to be truly daytime bright.
__________________
Dealer for Zero Compromise Optic, Tangent Theta, Leupold, Nightforce, Vortex, Aimpoint, Desert Tech, Swarovski and more...
Call 916-670-1103 for Calguns pricing
www.cstactical.com
sales@cstactical.com
916-670-1103

http://www.cstactical.com/images/stories/About%*0Us%*0Logo.001.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-06-2017, 4:07 PM
CSTactical's Avatar
CSTactical CSTactical is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 4,030
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike8484 View Post
Well I learned a lot seems like the ffp is the way to go especially if you use the bdc reticle system you know your holds and your good from 1x-6x or8x seems like other is too much to think about especially since I’m not always going to be maxed out on targets. Yes I would like to know any disadvantage of ffp seems like it’s more advantageous

With LPV's people usually are at the bottom (1X) or top (4/5/6/8) and the corresponding hashmarks are calculated at its highest magnification. No matter what reticle you use your dope needs to be calculated to your specific setup.

One more more slight disadvantage is that the reticle can be difficult to pick up at 1X since it's usually much smaller.
__________________
Dealer for Zero Compromise Optic, Tangent Theta, Leupold, Nightforce, Vortex, Aimpoint, Desert Tech, Swarovski and more...
Call 916-670-1103 for Calguns pricing
www.cstactical.com
sales@cstactical.com
916-670-1103

http://www.cstactical.com/images/stories/About%*0Us%*0Logo.001.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-06-2017, 4:30 PM
Paperchasin's Avatar
Paperchasin Paperchasin is offline
YOU are next!!
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,389
iTrader: 494 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
Answered it above...
So its purely preference then...People always gripe about the daytime bright dot but I've found the illumination on scopes like the VCOG to be adequate.



Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
One more more slight disadvantage is that the reticle can be difficult to pick up at 1X since it's usually much smaller.
At 1x you are not looking at the reticle the same way you would at 8x (or high magnification). I would argue that this is an advantage for FFP LPV scopes. No messy harsh marks and large reticle to distract you. You also have better FOV at 1x with an FFP since the entire reticle is shrunk down.

Last edited by Paperchasin; 12-06-2017 at 4:50 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-06-2017, 5:42 PM
Brush Guard Brush Guard is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 875
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paperchasin View Post
Understood. While it may not offer a clear advantage, what would be the dis-advantage of FFP on a LPV (other than cost)?

My only problem with FFP is that the reticle is only thin at the lowest setting. The reticle grows in relation to the target as the scope is zoomed to higher powers.

At the highest settings, the reticle can become fat enough to obscure the target.

Lots of youtube vids that show this.

The advantage to the FFP is the graduations stay constant regardless of the zoom setting. In other words, one can use the graduations for accurate bullet drop at any power setting.

The drawback to the RFP is the graduations are not constant throughout the zoom range. Most RFP scopes require the scope to be set to the highest setting in order for the actual bullet drop to match the reticle.

For some, this is no big deal, particularly for the lower powered scopes like, 1 X 4 or 1 X 6. Because many people will be at the highest power setting when using the graduations for bullet drop.

The advantage to the RFP is that the reticle stays thin at any power setting. Some people who shoot at small targets prefer a thin reticle.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-07-2017, 7:38 AM
Mute's Avatar
Mute Mute is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Diamond Bar
Posts: 8,091
iTrader: 40 / 100%
Default

I agree with cstactical on the 1-x scopes. I will choose SFP every time even though for long range precision I wouldn't be caught dead with a SFP reticle scope.
__________________
NRA Benefactor Life Member
NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle & Refuse To Be A Victim Instructor

American Marksman Training Group
Visit our American Marksman Facebook Page
Diamond Bar CCW Facebook Page


NRA Memberships at Discounted fee
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-07-2017, 8:46 AM
koshkin's Avatar
koshkin koshkin is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Posts: 92
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Once top magnification gets beyond 6x or so with scopes that have a 24mm objective, I start leaning toward FFP reticle.

The reason really comes down to exit pupil size. If we look at a 1-6x24 scope, I get a 4mm exit pupil at 6x, and that perfectly sufficient for me to use for a good variety of lighting conditions. At 8x, we are down to 3mm and for some shots, I may want to dial the magnification down a little while still taking a fairly long shot with reticle used for holdover. With SFP, I need to know which exact magnification I am at and recalculate what reticle subtensions are at that setting. With FFP, I settle on the magnification I want, and fire a shot. I do not need to know what exactly that magnification is and reticle subtensions are always the same. That is why the 1-8x24 scope I use the most is Burris XTR II 1-8x24 with FFP reticle, while with 1-6x24 designs, I am equally comfortable recommending both SFP and FFP designs.

A little while back I wrote about FFP vs SFP reticles here:
http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=1915

ILya
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-07-2017, 1:13 PM
Spike8484 Spike8484 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 479
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Does anyone here have experience with the vortex 1-6 viper? I’m curious if the red dot in the middle is truly daylight bright. I’m in the market for either this optic or a razor HD but the price diffence is got me looking at cheaper options. I’m coming from the vortex viper 1-4 which has no true illuminated reticle it’s basicslly useless unless your indoors
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 12-07-2017, 5:39 PM
dwalker's Avatar
dwalker dwalker is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,714
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

FFP is not a preference if you are shooting at small things far away, regardless of scope magnification. If you are SFP you really only have a 1 and 6X scope, as anything in between the holds are meaningless.
When you have targets at say, 475, 200, 250, 190, and 260 yards I use 8X for the 475yd target, and somewhere around 4 or 5X for the closer shots. The holds remain the same throughout.

A couple of things I have come to feel are absolutely necessary in an AR scope-
FFP- full power is not always needed and it is faster to engage some targets at 4,5,or 6X than 8
Zero Stops- I find it helpful to dial for my farthest target and the zip back to zero for close in targets.
Uncluttered but usable BDC- some reticles are just crazy busy and distracting.
__________________
Fear is the spare change that will keep you broke

Call him run-like-hell-when-shtf-guy or dial-911-guy but NEVER call an unarmed man "Security".
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 12-08-2017, 6:19 AM
Spike8484 Spike8484 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 479
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

The news is out the new vortex razor is exactly the same only 1/4 pound lighter
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12-08-2017, 7:58 AM
Paperchasin's Avatar
Paperchasin Paperchasin is offline
YOU are next!!
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,389
iTrader: 494 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike8484 View Post
The news is out the new vortex razor is exactly the same only 1/4 pound lighter
It's hard to improve on a nearly perfect scope. Alot of people were concerned about the weight so this was one area of improvement that is welcomed by many.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 12-08-2017, 10:42 AM
the Scholar the Scholar is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 601
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

So basically it is still a 1-6x, just lighter? Sounds good to me. I really want to get one and I wasn't sure if I would go with a 1-6x or a 1-8x if it was offered.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 12-08-2017, 11:46 AM
Rhyyke's Avatar
Rhyyke Rhyyke is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Empire of the Inland
Posts: 2,128
iTrader: 53 / 100%
Default

Great change as it brings the weight down to the level of the Vudu which I'm a fan of. But I don't see myself ditching my current Razor for the new one.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 12-08-2017, 1:36 PM
Spike8484 Spike8484 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 479
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Any one that’s ready to off load there old pos heavy razor hd to upgrade let me know I may be able to take it off your hands lol
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 12-08-2017, 3:00 PM
CSTactical's Avatar
CSTactical CSTactical is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 4,030
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike8484 View Post
Any one that’s ready to off load there old pos heavy razor hd to upgrade let me know I may be able to take it off your hands lol
I held off on personally getting one until this announcement, I'll be picking one up eventually for myself
__________________
Dealer for Zero Compromise Optic, Tangent Theta, Leupold, Nightforce, Vortex, Aimpoint, Desert Tech, Swarovski and more...
Call 916-670-1103 for Calguns pricing
www.cstactical.com
sales@cstactical.com
916-670-1103

http://www.cstactical.com/images/stories/About%*0Us%*0Logo.001.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 12-09-2017, 2:09 PM
skyscraper's Avatar
skyscraper skyscraper is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,121
iTrader: 37 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSTactical View Post
I held off on personally getting one until this announcement, I'll be picking one up eventually for myself
Any news on the new scope? Its been two days
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 12-09-2017, 2:10 PM
skyscraper's Avatar
skyscraper skyscraper is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,121
iTrader: 37 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike8484 View Post
Any one that’s ready to off load there old pos heavy razor hd to upgrade let me know I may be able to take it off your hands lol
At an extremely discounted price, I'm assuming?
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 12-09-2017, 2:48 PM
Spike8484 Spike8484 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 479
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyscraper View Post
At an extremely discounted price, I'm assuming?
Absolutely I’m willing to pay under $1000 lol I think I’d be doing someone a favor that extra weight has got to be slowing them down a lot
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 12-10-2017, 8:39 PM
koshkin's Avatar
koshkin koshkin is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Posts: 92
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Honestly, I like that Vortex decided to make a lighter version. With all the Razor Gen II scopes, weight was one of my very few complaints. These are generally extremely competent designs. Personally, I would not mind seeing some additional reticles for the 1-6x24 that allow for some wind compensation at distance, but I have a strong suspicion that I am almost the only one who routinely shoots a bit further out with low range variables. With Razor's excellent optics, 6x can take you pretty far out, IMO.

ILya
www.opticsthoughts.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 6:16 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy