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Old 01-10-2019, 10:23 PM
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Key words there, ones you`ve missed but highlighted.

`function like a fully automatic weapon`

The bump stock does NOT make a semi auto FUNCTION like a fully auto.
It still requires a single activation of the trigger to fire a single round.

Like many, including the Dems, when reading this you`re stuck on concepts not words.

People read this and took the meaning to be what you did, perform like, rather than what was said, function like.

Words have meanings and they , despite what the left would have you believe, are defined.
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O'conner been retired long ago. It chief Roberts.
Robert's was to replace her but he replace Justice William Rehnquist upon his death. Bush announced he would replace him instead.

I will correct my comment.
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The Dems will ALWAYS push for more bans, the play at the time was to have them do so when there wasn`t a massive groundswell of public support.

After Vegas public opinion would have carried an AWB through, now that public opinion is severely muted by time and other shiny baubles.
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The Dems will ALWAYS push for more bans, the play at the time was to have them do so when there wasn`t a massive groundswell of public support.

After Vegas public opinion woild have carried an AWB through, now that public opinion os severely muted by time and other shiny baubles.

as you said a shooting will probably occur soon to get more support for it.

The Boarderline shooter didn't use an AW so that fell off the media radar quick.
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I say we convince them to put through a regulation to ban the nefarious "shoulder thing that goes up".

Terrible, terrible, no good device. Nobody needs such a thing to shoot 90 rounds per second. It's only good for murdering kittens, collar bones, ear lobes, and intelligence.

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Because in general people are:

A) Sheep

B) Stupid

Not necessarily in that order...
C) not wanting Russian influe3nce

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...tina-lobbying/


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C) not wanting Russian influe3nce

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FrankMo ,FrankMo,,Please Sir, realize the person or entity that wants to disarm you is your enemy!

Although I didn't waste time reading every word I suspect the Horse Shicks site you linked to appears to be an ANTI GUN SOROS type entity.

One aspect I enjoy are comments, this site is no exception,

"Have wondered for a long time where the statement
"They're coming to take your weapons" came from? This phrase started everytime politicians disgust common sense gun legislation. ( I think the writer meant discuss)
And it worked everytime!!!
It was the NRA!!! ☹️☹️☹️"

No you pack of illiterate, uneducated,media led, chumps the "we" are coming for your guns comes directly from the US state dept document 87-297 also known public law 72-77 .

Now FrankMo, no need to thank me. Just put that in your info bank and stop being a tool of fools,commies,gun grabbers. Also called Democrats !

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/guns/dos7277.htm



FREEDOM FROM WAR:

The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
PUBLICATION 7277
Disarmament Series 5
Released September 1961
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Frank, Frank,Please Sir, realize the person or entity that wants to disarm you is your enemy!

Although I didn't waste time reading every word I suspect the Horse Shicks site you linked to appears to be an ANTI GUN SOROS type entity.

One aspect I enjoy are comments, this site is no exception,

Have wondered for a long time where the statement
"They're coming to take your weapons" came from? This phrase started everytime politicians disgust common sense gun legislation.
And it worked everytime!!!
It was the NRA!!! ☹️☹️☹️

No you pack of illiterate, uneducated,media led, chumps the we are coming for your guns comes directly from the US state dept document 87-297 also known public law 72-77 .

Now Frank, no need to thank me. Just put that in your info bank and stop being a tool of fools,commies,gun grabbers. Also called Democrats !
For anyone following along, I think he means Public Law 87-297 and Publication 7277.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...E-75-Pg631.pdf

https://archive.org/details/FreedomFromWar/page/n7
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I feel they are just as any other organization that takes money, pay themselves a salary and then do something here and there to please the donors, etc. I for one think they only care about revolvers, bolt and shotguns.
I pretty much agree with this. The NRA just seems lukewarm to me. It seems like they care about the 2A, but I feel like they aren't aggressive enough.

What do you people think would be the best pro 2A organization to donate to?
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I pretty much agree with this. The NRA just seems lukewarm to me. It seems like they care about the 2A, but I feel like they aren't aggressive enough.

What do you people think would be the best pro 2A organization to donate to?
Well, if you want to "Feel Good" about your "No Compromise" 2A Stance,
but get little to nothing done, join GOA, Gun Owners of America. This is
Not a Criticism of GOA, just my personal observation.
Membership 1,500,000+

If you want to see some occasional lawsuit wins, join SAF, 2nd Amendment
Foundation, whose Big Wins at District of Columbia v. Heller and
McDonald v. Chicago are Notable.
I have made donations to them in the past.
Membership 650,000+

In California, Support CRPA, California Rifle & Pistol Association
CRPA is the Official State Association of the National Rifle Association (NRA).
Membership "Tens of Thousands".


If you want to see the Most Push Back in the Legislative, Political, and
Legal arenas, become a Voting NRA Member (5year / Lifetime )
Then Donate to the NRA-ILA who do the actual heavy lifting in those
areas.
NRA Membership Estimate 6,000,000+
However, according to Pew Research Center, NRA Support among
Gun Owners is estimated at 14 million Americans:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...d-experiences/

Contributing to the NRA Wins in the 2016 Elections:



These Political Wins Gave us Pro-2A Appointments to SCOTUS:
Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, and with Ginsburg possibly forced
to retire because of her medical situation, Trump could appoint a 3rd
Pro 2A Justice.

Not to mention Trump continues to Appointment Constitutionalist
Judges at a record Pace, which will help Rebalance the 9th Circus.


Current NRA-ILA Supported Legal Matters:
NRA and CRPA California Legal Affairs Report (January 2018)
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1298856

Here is Just the First Page of Listings.

Your Donations to NRA-ILA help support the Following:

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FIREARMS LITIGATION

The litigation report provides a brief overview and update on NRA and CRPA’s recent litigation efforts in California, including amicus and consulting support in other firearm related cases throughout the United States.


NRA/CRPA California and 9th Circuit Litigation Matters

Rupp v. Becerra – Challenge to California’s “assault weapon” restrictions. Filed on April 24 in response to Senate Bill 880 and Assembly Bill 1135. Plaintiffs have filed a motion for preliminary injunction against the requirement that individuals provide date and source of acquisition information as a condition of registration. A decision on that motion is currently pending. http://michellawyers.com/rupp-v-becerra/

Duncan v. Becerra – Challenge to California’s standard capacity magazines restrictions. Filed on May 17 in response to Senate Bill 1446 and Proposition 63. On June 29, the Court granted Plaintiffs motion for preliminary injunction, which has stayed the enforcement of the magazine "possession" ban while the case is litigated. The California Attorney General has appealed the injunction to the Ninth Circuit. Meanwhile, the case is progressing on the merits in the District court. http://michellawyers.com/duncan-v-becerra/

Villanueva v. Becerra - Challenge to DOJ's "assault weapon" registration regulations as a violation of California's Administrative Procedures Act. Plaintiffs have filed a motion for preliminary injunction, seeking to stay enforcement of the regulations while the lawsuit is pending. A hearing on the motion is currently scheduled for January 30. http://michellawyers.com/villanueva-v-becerra/

Flanagan v. Becerra – Challenge to CA and Los Angeles firearm carry restrictions that prohibit both open and concealed carry. This case was filed on August 17, 2016 as a direct response to the “en banc” Peruta decision. The suit seeks to force the court to decide whether or not it is willing to uphold a complete prohibition on the right of law-abiding citizens to carry a firearm for self-defense. http://michellawyers.com/michelle-fl...-harris-et-al/.

Bauer v. Becerra – Challenge to CA DOJ’s excessive DROS fees that generated a massive surplus. On June 1, the 9th Circuit affirmed the district court opinion. Plaintiffs have filed a petition for review to the United States Supreme Court. A decision on that petition is currently pending. http://michellawyers.com/barry-bauer...justice-et-al/.

Gentry v. Becerra – Challenges CA DOJ’s use of the DROS surplus to fund the Armed Prohibited Person System database. On August 9, 2017, the district court issued a ruling granting Plaintiffs’ request to prohibit DOJ from using DROS fees to fund unrelated law enforcement efforts and requiring DOJ to perform its statutorily required review of the current $19 fee to determine whether it is “no more than necessary to fund” DOJ’s costs for processing DROS transactions. http://michellawyers.com/gentry-v-harris/.

Belemjian v. Becerra – Challenge to CA DOJ’s underground regulations regarding the Firearm Safety Certificate Program. This case forced DOJ to finally begin the process of enacting proper regulations for the program in February 2015. Briefing concerning attorneys’ fees has been completed, and oral arguments are expected to take place later this year. http://michellawyers.com/kim-belemji...-harris-et-al/.

Parker v. California – Vagueness challenge to AB 962’s “handgun ammunition” sales registration requirement and mail order ban. As a result of Prop 63, the California Supreme Court dismissed its review of the Court of Appeals’ opinion that upheld the trial court’s order striking down AB 962. The Court of Appeals decision now stands as the final opinion in the case and Plaintiffs will seek recovery of their attorneys’ fees. Separate litigation is being prepared to challenge the ammunition restrictions in Prop 63. http://michellawyers.com/guncasetrac...ervcalifornia/.


An additional lawsuit challenging the recently enacted ammunition sales restrictions will soon be filed.


California and 9th Circuit Amicus and Consulting Support

In addition to the previously mentioned cases, NRA and CRPA regularly provide consulting advice and prepare amicus curiae of “friend of the court” briefs in a number of other firearm related cases. NRA and CRPA have supported or will be supporting the following cases.

Teixeira v. Alameda County – Challenge to the county’s FFL zoning restrictions. On October 10, 2017, an 11-judge “en banc” panel of the 9th Circuit issued an opinion which held that the Second Amendment does not protect a right to sell firearms, and that as a result, Alameda County’s ordinance does not unconstitutionally burden the right to keep and bear arms. Plaintiffs have petitioned the United States Supreme Court for review. A decision on that petition is currently pending. http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/...f-NRA-CRPA.pdf.

Pena v. Lindley – Challenge to California’s handgun roster. In July 2015, NRA and CRPA attorneys filed an amicus brief in the case. Oral arguments were held on March 16, and the case is currently awaiting a decision.http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/...d-Reversal.pdf.

Silvester v. Becerra – Challenge to California’s 10-day wait as applied to current firearm owners. In December 2016, the 9th Circuit issued its decision upholding the restriction. On April 4, the 9th Circuit denied Plaintiff’s petition for “en banc” review. Plaintiffs have petitioned the United States Supreme Court for review. A decision on that petition is currently pending. http://michellawyers.com/silvester-v-harris/.

Tracy Rifle and Pistol v. Becerra – First Amendment challenge to California’s handgun advertising ban. In July 2015, the district court denied a request to prohibit enforcement while the case proceeds. That decision was upheld by the 9th Circuit in February 2016. Litigation has resumed in the lower court. http://michellawyers.com/tracy-rifle...-llc-v-harris/.

NSSF v. Pleasant Hill – Challenge to the City’s restrictive FFL zoning ordinance. The case has been settled, with the City agreeing to pay NSSF over $400,000 in legal fees. http://crpa.org/pleasant-hill-agrees...ing-ordinance/.

Doe v. Becerra – Challenges DOJ’s underground regulation barring the sale of more than one handgun in 30 days to COE holders. The California trial court upheld DOJ’s regulation and the plaintiffs have appealed the decision to the California Court of Appeals. The case has been fully briefed and will soon be scheduled for oral arguments. http://michellawyers.com/doe-v-harri...uperior-court/.

Nesbitt v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers – Challenge to the ban on possession and carriage of firearms on recreational Army Corps’ lands. The Army Corps of Engineers is reconsidering its firearms policy, and will work with plaintiffs to settle the matter outside of court. http://michellawyers.com/morris-v-u-...-of-engineers/.

NSSF v. California – State court challenge to California’s microstamping requirements. On March 22, the California Supreme Court agreed to rehear the case following a petition from the State of California. The case has been fully briefed and will soon be scheduled for oral arguments. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.g...doc_no=S239397.


National Cases with California Interest

NRA and CRPA also litigate and provide assistance in a number of critical Second Amendment cases across the country that could set precedent for future challenges to California gun laws. The following are some of the more recent and significant examples of these cases.

Kolbe v. Hogan – Challenge to Maryland’s ban on “assault weapons” and 10+ round magazines. In April 2016, the CRPA Foundation filed an amicus brief in this NRA-supported case. On February 21, an “en banc” panel of the 4th Circuit issued an opinion upholding Maryland’s ban, referring to the most popular rifles in America as “exceptionally lethal weapons of war.” The United State Supreme Court declined to rehear the case. Although the “en banc” decision is now final, other lawsuits challenging similar restrictions (such as Rupp) are currently pending, and will provide another opportunity for the Supreme Court hear an “assault weapon” lawsuit. http://michellawyers.com/kolbe-v-omalley/.

Grace v. District of Columbia – Challenge to Washington D.C.’s “good reason” requirement for the issuance of a CCW. On July 25, the D.C. Circuit issued its decision declaring Washington D.C.’s “good reason” requirement for the issuance of a CCW as a violation of the Second Amendment. The Court also issued a permanent injunction prohibiting D.C. from enforcing the requirement. Washington D.C.’s Attorney General decided to not petition the case to the United States Supreme Court. As a result, Washington D.C. is now effectively a “shall-issue” jurisdiction. http://michellawyers.com/grace-v-district-of-columbia/.

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Remember when the SCOTUS said if the voters ask for stupid laws the SCOTUS cannot reverse those laws just because they are stupid?
No, I don't. But define stupid. We live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Voters do not have the last say. If by stupid, you mean unconstitutional, it is the exact duty of SCOTUS to overturn it.
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....If by stupid, you mean unconstitutional,...
No, it's entirely possible for a law to be bad policy or stupid but still constitutional. The courts can't do anything about laws that are bad policy but constitutional.
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For anyone following along, I think he means Public Law 87-297 and Publication 7277.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...E-75-Pg631.pdf

https://archive.org/details/FreedomFromWar/page/n7
Thanx for the links to the actual documents. IIRC it was GOP Senator Joe Mc Carthy who rightfully exposed communists in the US State dept.

These gun grabbing, sovereignty robbing documents, prove Mc Carthy was accurate and that there is no conspiracy to eliminate guns or gun rights.

ajb, this might be a good time to start an entire new thread on these documents that make a case that looks like treason.
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No, it's entirely possible for a law to be bad policy or stupid but still constitutional. The courts can't do anything about laws that are bad policy but constitutional.
Frank do you think above referenced documents are constitutional and why ?
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Frank do you think above referenced documents are constitutional and why ?
Whether the docs are constitutional is adistraction from this claim that I putup there

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The NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action and its political action committee, the NRA Political Victory Fund, placed $25 million worth of television ads through the same ad-buying executives who also arranged spots for Trump’s campaign.

That ensured that “spending by both the NRA and the Trump campaign would be complementary and advance a unified, coordinated election strategy,” according to the complaint brought by the Campaign Legal Center, which favors greater regulation of money in politics, and the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a gun safety group.

Federal election law bars campaigns and independent groups from coordinating their spending.
http://fortune.com/2018/12/07/trump-...og-groups-say/

Distractionis all youve got.

Try and getout from underthat one. Imagine if a democrat president and org was doing this.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ing-the-money/



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it was GOP Senator Joe Mc Carthy who rightfully exposed communists
while the factsshow otherwise

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In fact, McCarthy never produced any solid evidence that there was even one communist in the State Department.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...ate-department

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Whether the docs are constitutional is adistraction from this claim that I putup there



http://fortune.com/2018/12/07/trump-...og-groups-say/

Distractionis all youve got.

Try and getout from underthat one. Imagine if a democrat president and org was doing this.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ing-the-money/



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while the factsshow otherwise



https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...ate-department

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Frank Mo Sir, Why do you continually link to anti gun sources?
Fortune mag is GARBAGE owned by ANTI GUN TIME . I suspect the others are too!

Now honestly Sir, do you believe America would be better off with out the 2nd amendment? Would you personally be pleased if you were disarmed by law, because the links are from people who are against the private ownership of firearms.

I never said Joe McCarthy produced documents to prove there were communists in the state dept. I said he was right in knowing their were communists in the state dept.
Soviet Files

https://www.conservapedia.com/index...._Venona_papers
"After the collapse of the Soviet Union, documents from the KGB and Comintern Archives in Moscow became available to researchers and the public for the first time, corroborating the facts of McCarthy's underlying premise. In the United States, the Moynihan Secrecy Commission was empowered by statute to investigate and secure documents from the National Security Agency and the FBI which had remained classified for more than 40 years. The Secrecy Commission's Final Report found that,

“ But for every accusation there was a denial. ... For all who could agree there were Communists in government, there were as many who saw the Government as contriving fantastic accusations against innocent persons. A balanced history of this period is now beginning to appear; the VENONA messages will surely supply a great cache of facts to bring the matter to some closure....
The first fact is that a significant Communist conspiracy was in place in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles, but in the main those involved systematically denied their involvement.[27]


Hayden Peake, curator of the Central Intelligence Agency’s Historical Intelligence Collection has stated, "No modern government was more thoroughly penetrated." [28]

For the record ANYONE who is ANTI RKBA is an International Communist or a useful idiot. There is NO legitimate reason for anyone to want law abiding Americans disarmed.
Do you agree ?
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LOL if the facts aren't what I want to believe, clearly it is the source that's biased!!!
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LOL if the facts aren't what I want to believe, clearly it is the source that's biased!!!
Right. Theclaim I posted wasabout Rooskie influence,so ofcourse they will nort addess,but instead dist4act.

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In a sworn affidavit, FBI agent Kevin Helson said Maria Butina worked to set up “back channel” communications between Americans and the Kremlin. Her effort was underway by March 2015—months before Donald Trump entered the presidential campaign, according to the affidavit. And it kicked into high gear during the election season.

“These lines could be used by the Russian Federation to penetrate the U.S. national decision-making apparatus to advance the agenda of the Russian Federation,” Agent Helson wrote.

Helson said he believed Butina moved to infiltrate an American gun rights organization as part of her pro-Kremlin operations. The affidavit does not name the gun rights organization but says it is a major donor to congressional campaigns. Butina has spent years aggressively courting the leadership of the NRA, which matches the description in the affidavit.

Butina’s apparent supervisor, former Russian senator Alexander Torshin, also spent years building relationships in the NRA. In 2015, he was pictured at a meeting in Moscow with a high-level delegation from the NRA and sanctioned Putin deputy Dmitry Rogozin. Rogozin, an ultra-nationalist hardliner, believes Russia should retake Alaska. Torshin faces money-laundering allegations from Spanish authorities.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...s-to-collusion

And theywhine about antigun while postinf from conservopedia. LOL

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Right. Theclaim I posted wasabout Rooskie influence,so ofcourse they will nort addess,but instead dist4act.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...s-to-collusion

And theywhine about antigun while postinf from conservopedia. LOL

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Where the info comes from is of vital importance. A couple of examples will help explain why this is so. Before and during the war for Independence King George 3 had his press which printed lies and propaganda.
Can you imagine Gen Washingtons response to a soldier in the Continental army stating he read where King George was OK and it is stupid to fight his troops when they are correct on every issue, because he read it in the Kings newsletter! Or how about a morning briefing during the height of WW2 and some snapper head disagrees with going into battle because he read an English translation newspaper of why Germany and Japan had every right to conquer all of Europe and China.

FrankMo the sources referenced by you are 100% in the tank against US sovereignty and the 2nd amendment. Why exactly do you think should be considered a credible entity ?

Some folks believe an entity that wants law abiding people disarmed is an enemy. Is it reasonable to believe an enemy will always attempt to destroy its enemy with lies and propaganda .

So maybe give a few examples of when law abiding citizens were disarmed against their will and were better off for it.That way we can determine if historically those who would leave you defenseless are really a friend.

Nazi Germany 1938 is not a good example ! Just saying !
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Whether the docs are constitutional is adistraction from this claim that I putup there

http://fortune.com/2018/12/07/trump-...og-groups-say/

Distractionis all youve got.

Try and getout from underthat one. Imagine if a democrat president and org was doing this.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ing-the-money/



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while the factsshow otherwise

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...ate-department

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Oh Noes !!!

FrankMo is showing us Allegations of Wrong Doing !!

Let's see who is responsible for the Allegations:


Imagine my Shock to Discover the "Author" of the article is listed as
"Bloomberg". Yup, No Anti-2A, Anti-NRA Bias there ...

Lets Look at the 2 Groups Going after the NRA with this Hit Piece:

Campaign Legal Center
Foundation & Institutional Donors
https://campaignlegal.org/about/support/institutions

Note the Following Leftist Anti-2A Donors on the List:
  • Joyce Foundation
  • Open Society Foundation
  • Southern Poverty Law Center
  • Tides Foundation

Notable Connections to Campaign Legal Center
Ballotpedia. The Campaign Legal Center (CLC)
https://ballotpedia.org/The_Campaign_Legal_Center
Begin Quote:
The CLC has partnered with a variety of organizations over the years.
Below is a list of some of the more prominent partnerships and connections:

Democracy 21: The two groups have partnered on numerous occasions
to write letters to various governing agencies and file briefs.
Common Cause: Common Cause lists the CLC as a "coalition partner"
on its website. Additionally, Meredith McGehee, the CLC's Policy Director,
is the former Senior Vice President and Chief Lobbyist for Common Cause.
Brennan Center for Justice: The Brennan Center is listed as one of the
CLC's funders.
Open Society Foundations: The George Soros-backed OSF funds the CLC.
Center for Public Integrity: These groups feature the other's work
on their respective websites.
END Quote.

Brennan Center, as an example, has received Millions from Soros
and has advocated against any Voter ID laws.
https://www.mrc.org/articles/soros-b...s-funded-media

And the 2nd Group Pushing for this Anti-NRA Witch Hunt ?

Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Do I even need to Explain to you this Leftist Anti-NRA Group wants to
Destroy the 2nd Amendment ?


Its a Perfect Anti-2A Trifecta !!
  • Bloomberg
  • Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
  • Campaign Legal Center

Don't you find it Interesting that FrankMo supports these
Anti-2A Groups in their Hit Piece ? Especially since they are
Unsubstantiated Allegations that so far the FEC has not
deemed it necessary to investigate.



So let's look at what happens when Campaign Finance
Laws are Actually Broken:


Obama's 2008 Campaign Is Fined $375,000
Wall Street Journal. Jan 4, 2013
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...22230822975730

Obama ’08 campaign fined $375,000 by FEC
Associated Press. Jan 4, 2013
https://www.apnews.com/21ba8c82e72e420db858c3efd43f5fc9

And then there is this...
Obama Campaign Rakes In Millions In Illegal Foreign Cash
Investors Business Daily. 10/08/2012
https://www.investors.com/politics/e...cash-overseas/
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Corruption: A new study suggests that President Obama's campaign
systematically pursued foreign contributions to fuel his run for the presidency,
a violation of law. Is America's democracy now for sale to the highest bidder?

The Anti-Gun, Anti-2A, Anti-NRA Leftist Zealots will use ANY Means
Necessary to accomplish their Gun Free Nirvana, leaving the American
People Defenseless.

Which is why people like FrankMo remain Silent when the NRA is
Targeted for Destruction by Left Wing Politicians in an attempt to Destroy
the Largest Defender of the 2nd Amendment, the NRA.

Even the ACLU agrees its time to Defend the NRA from this Malfeasance:

ACLU backs NRA in lawsuit against Gov. Cuomo
The Hill. 08/27/18
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...inst-gov-cuomo
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The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) threw its weight behind the
National Rifle Association (NRA), filing an amicus brief on the gun rights
group’s behalf in its lawsuit against New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D).

The ACLU's action comes after the NRA filed a lawsuit earlier this year
against Cuomo and New York’s financial regulation agency, alleging
a “blacklisting campaign” aimed at getting banks to cut ties with the
gun group.

This is part of the Left's attempt to Destroy the 2nd Amendment.

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Right. Theclaim I posted wasabout Rooskie influence,so ofcourse they will nort addess,but instead dist4act.
Seriously... why do we have so many never-trumper, anti-NRA, russian conspiracy theorists on calguns these days? Are these all new accounts or has Trump Derangement Syndrome just hit all time highs? My eyes are about to roll out of my head from all the "ermahgerd!! Russians and racists cops! Orange man bad!" comments.
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Seriously... why do we have so many never-trumper, anti-NRA, russian conspiracy theorists on calguns these days? Are these all new accounts or has Trump Derangement Syndrome just hit all time highs? My eyes are about to roll out of my head from all the "ermahgerd!! Russians and racists cops! Orange man bad!" comments.
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Seriously... why do we have so many never-trumper, anti-NRA, russian conspiracy theorists on calguns these days? Are these all new accounts or has Trump Derangement Syndrome just hit all time highs? My eyes are about to roll out of my head from all the "ermahgerd!! Russians and racists cops! Orange man bad!" comments.
I usually check the totality of a person's postings ad they're often fairly new. With most folks there's virtually nothing about guns. Perhaps a perfunctory, poorly worded intro question or a safe "Agree - can't wait to try one myself" response. To establish bona fides, I suppose. But not too much lest they let fly with a "shoulder thing that goes up" inspired phrase and reveal they're not as advertised.

Never understood the attraction of pretending on the internet. It's not as though we're sitting face to face, talking directly, or much of a challenge to lie and get away with it.
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I can't help but notice how common it is for folks to lash out in character attacks instead of facing potentially uncomfortable internal contradictions. This goes for SJWs & Calgunners alike...
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I can't help but notice how common it is for folks to lash out in character attacks instead of facing potentially uncomfortable internal contradictions. This goes for SJWs & Calgunners alike...
You're one to talk about cognitive dissonance, Mr. "Mexicans are conservative". But we all know it's just white racism keeping the mexicans from voting conservative back home
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I can't help but notice how common it is for folks to lash out in character attacks instead of facing potentially uncomfortable internal contradictions. This goes for SJWs & Calgunners alike...
are you referring to cal gunners attacking the lies and propaganda contained in the links provided from FrankMo?

IIRC I asked a simple question earlier directed to you or FrankMo. As of yet neither of you have answered.

Should be quite simple to find one example of where law abiding people were disarmed against their will and are/were better off because of it.

Saving an example, it would appear the person or entity who wants you disarmed is an enemy!

Good job on exposing the antigun attack dogs Noble!
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Saving an example, it would appear the person or entity who wants you disarmed is an enemy!
That's quite a jump you're making. If I made an enemy of everyone with whom I ever disagree, I wouldn't have any friends...
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I can't help but notice how common it is for folks to lash out in character attacks instead of facing potentially uncomfortable internal contradictions. This goes for SJWs & Calgunners alike...

Like Gun Owners who Claim to support the 2nd Amendment,
but then Vote & Support the Democrat Party, which advocates
within their Party and Platform for:
  • Ever Increasing Levels of Gun Control
  • Bans on Semi Auto Rifles
  • No Right to Bear Arms outsider your Home.
  • Incrementally Decreasing Mag Capacity until virtually Worthless
  • Many Democrat Leaders Calling for Australian Style Bans
  • Some Democrats even openly calling for Repeal of the 2nd Am.

Or like "Gun Owners" who claim they support the 2nd Amendment,
but are strangely Anti-NRA and Believe any Anti-NRA articles put
out by Bloomberg's Anti-NRA Media, pushed by Anti-2A Gun Control
Groups like "Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence".

You seem anxious to give credence to what FrankMo posted, despite
the sources being extremely Anti-Gun & Anti-NRA, who have been
caught numerous times lying about Anything Gun Related, like so
called "Gun Violence", "Assault Weapons", "Mass Shootings",
and Demonizing the NRA with Lies on a Regular Basis.

If you Trust this Guy to Tell you the Truth regarding Anything
Gun Related, your a "Useful Idiot" for the Left & don't support 2A:



The Charges against the NRA brought by these Anti-2A groups are just
Unsubstantiated Allegations, which so far the FEC has deemed not worth
Investigating. And even if they decide to Investigate, the concept of
"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" will still prevail.


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That's quite a jump you're making. If I made an enemy of everyone with whom I ever disagree, I wouldn't have any friends...
If an individual went to your house and demanded you turn over every firearm you own .
would you consider them a friend or enemy ?

There is no difference between having an individual disarm you or having the state disarm you through political laws. Both would have bad intentions for your future.
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That's quite a jump you're making. If I made an enemy of everyone with whom I ever disagree, I wouldn't have any friends...
He clearly said:
"it would appear the person or entity who wants you disarmed is an enemy!"
He did not say:
"it would appear the person who disagrees with you is an enemy!"

Was that an underhanded shifting of the goalposts from you, or a very very revealing freudian slip showing you really want to disarm people?
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You're one to talk about cognitive dissonance, Mr. "Mexicans are conservative". But we all know it's just white racism keeping the mexicans from voting conservative back home
The attacksare the same as the presidents. Designed to distractfrom the issue which is Russian influence in the NRA

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First the NRA stated categorically that it did not accept money from Russian donors for election-related purposes. Then it said it had a single Russian donor. Then it acknowledged that 20 Russian citizens had collectively donated in “membership dues and additional magazine subscriptions; “only lawful stuff” (NBC).

NRA, In New Document, Acknowledges More Than 20 Russian-Linked Contributors. The National Rifle Association has accepted contributions from about 23 Russians, or Americans living in Russia, since 2015, the gun rights group acknowledged to Congress (NPR).

The National Rifle Association has acknowledged two dozen additional contributions from Russian donors since 2015 in a significant departure from their previous claim that only one Russian had donated to the controversial gun-rights group. After telling ABC News the organization had received a single contribution of less than $1,000 from one Russian individual, the NRA revised that total in an April 10 letter to Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, who has been pushing to learn more about the NRA’s election spending. (ABC).
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https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-NRA...-Russian-money

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Like Gun Owners who Claim to support the 2nd Amendment,
but then Vote & Support the Democrat Party, which advocates
within their Party and Platform for:
  • Ever Increasing Levels of Gun Control
  • Bans on Semi Auto Rifles
  • No Right to Bear Arms outsider your Home.
  • Incrementally Decreasing Mag Capacity until virtually Worthless
  • Many Democrat Leaders Calling for Australian Style Bans
  • Some Democrats even openly calling for Repeal of the 2nd Am.
Who here is pushing the Democratic platform? Not I...

But since you brought it up, the Republican platform is just as fascist:

*Anti Gay
*Pro military conquest of independent foreign nations
*Anti Women's reproductive rights
*Anti Free Trade
*Anti religious freedom (especially freedom from religion)
*Pro cronyism (farm & oil subsidies, protections for big pharma/medicine)
*Anti environment
*Anti free will/personal choice (drugs, gambling, prostitution)
*Anti Judicial discretion (mandatory minimums)
*Sexist (only men should be eligible for draft)
*Pro Israel/anti Palestine
*Anti Muslim

The Republican platform also claims to be pro privacy, yet the party has supported the most egregious infringements on privacy like the Patriot Act and its successors, and it has villainized whistleblowers like Snowden.

Does that make every Republican my sworn enemy? No...

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Or like "Gun Owners" who claim they support the 2nd Amendment,
but are strangely Anti-NRA and Believe any Anti-NRA articles put
out by Bloomberg's Anti-NRA Media, pushed by Anti-2A Gun Control
Groups like "Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence".
I was anti NRA the moment they threw overwhelming support behind a candidate who campaigned on having police randomly stop blacks in Chicago and take their guns. They continued to support a president who said if someone lobs an accusation at a gun owner, we should take the guns first and let the courts decide later. They supported him when he advocated for a ban on bump stocks.

I saw this first hand; I did not need any anti-NRA publication to tell me. I was already lukewarm on the NRA given their history with gun control and their deafening silence in the wake of the police execution of black CCW-holder Philando Castile.

The only thing you've done in defense of FrankMo's articles is to show that the Democrats are no better. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Trump & NRA behavior...

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Who here is pushing the Democratic platform? Not I...

But since you brought it up, the Republican platform is just as fascist:

*Anti Gay
*Pro military conquest of independent foreign nations
*Anti Women's reproductive rights
*Anti Free Trade
*Anti religious freedom (especially freedom from religion)
*Pro cronyism (farm & oil subsidies, protections for big pharma/medicine)
*Anti environment
*Anti free will/personal choice (drugs, gambling, prostitution)
*Anti Judicial discretion (mandatory minimums)
*Sexist (only men should be eligible for draft)
*Pro Israel/anti Palestine
*Anti Muslim

The Republican platform also claims to be pro privacy, yet the party has supported the most egregious infringements on privacy like the Patriot Act and its successors, and it has villainized whistleblowers like Snowden.

Does that make every Republican my sworn enemy? No...


I was anti NRA the moment they threw overwhelming support behind a candidate who campaigned on having police randomly stop blacks in Chicago and take their guns. They continued to support a president who said if someone lobs an accusation at a gun owner, we should take the guns first and let the courts decide later. They supported him when he advocated for a ban on bump stocks.

I saw this first hand; I did not need any anti-NRA publication to tell me. I was already lukewarm on the NRA given their history with gun control and their deafening silence in the wake of the police execution of black CCW-holder Philando Castile.

The only thing you've done in defense of FrankMo's articles is to show that the Democrats are no better. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Trump & NRA behavior...
Now here friends is a perfect example of a man who reads,watches and listens to the big ANTIGUN democrat controlled media and soaks it up like a sponge.

Inner city blacks have a murder rate of around 70 per 100,000. Those stop and frisk laws are there to protect the innocents in those communities, yet you believe they should be allowed to terrorize at will . Its not rocket science to profile those who talk, act and dress in an anti social manner.

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For the record it was the NRA who went to court so that Josephine Byrd who lived in public housing was allowed to keep her gun for protection against these people who should be stopped and frisked if you axe me.

After reading the nonsense,lies and propaganda you have posted I am grateful you are NOT in the NRA !
You will not fit in with our image of a law abiding, literate, gun owner!
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After reading the nonsense,lies and propaganda you have posted I am grateful you are NOT in the NRA !
It occurs to me from time to time, engaging in wishful thinking of getting one's just desserts, that folks who dislike NRA and Republicans so much ought to live under the gun control that would be if neither existed.
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Gun Owners of America, in my opinion, is much better to give your support. They fight tooth and nail, harder, or just as much as the NRA. Nothing wrong with joining both, but the majority of my money goes to GOA by a large margin.
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Gun Owners of America, in my opinion, is much better to give your support. They fight tooth and nail, harder, or just as much as the NRA. Nothing wrong with joining both, but the majority of my money goes to GOA by a large margin.
This post makes more sense than most here.
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*Sexist (only men should be eligible for draft)
Spoken like a true science-denying leftist. At the risk of wandering off topic, you do know men and women are not physically equal, don't you? And no, some women don't have penises. When you consider the differences between the sexes and the physical performance required, it's an obvious policy to restrict services like infantry to men. It's the same reason women firefighters are so rare: when someone's life is on the line, you want a physical brute who can smash through walls and carry your passed-out body to safety. That's not a job for a woman. And before you scream about "averages, not individuals", that's also why it isn't a job for a 120lb male either.

https://www.livescience.com/52998-wo...fferences.html
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A study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had an average of 26 lbs. (12 kilograms) more skeletal muscle mass than women. Women also exhibited about 40 percent less upper-body strength and 33 percent less lower-body strength, on average, the study found.
[...]
In general, men are also faster than women.
[...]
It's also not clear whether 85 percent of women could complete basic training. For instance, preliminary results from a recent Marine Corps study found that, of roughly two-dozen women who tried out for the "rifleman" position, only two could complete the training. Initial results from their study showed that male teams outperformed and had lower rates of injury than mixed units, according to the Marine Corps Times.
And then there's the social and psychological liabilities of simply mixing sexes in confined spaces for prolonged periods:
https://warontherocks.com/2014/11/he...is-a-bad-idea/
And when you're fighting to the death in some god-forsaken hell hole, you want every advantage possible. I.e, men in the infantry. Facts don't care about your feels. So take your allegations of sexism and cram it.
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I saw this first hand; I did not need any anti-NRA publication to tell me. I was already lukewarm on the NRA given their history with gun control and their deafening silence in the wake of the police execution of black CCW-holder Philando Castile.
You mean the guy whose use of Marijuana made him a prohibited person under Federal law and invalidated his CCW under Minnesota law?
So you wanted the NRA to come out in support of someone violating the law? I bet if they had, you and other anti-gunners and groups would be using that against them.
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You mean the guy whose use of Marijuana made him a prohibited person under Federal law and invalidated his CCW under Minnesota law?
So you wanted the NRA to come out in support of someone violating the law? I bet if they had, you and other anti-gunners and groups would be using that against them.
It's pretty easy to see those here who have been brainwashed by the leftist agenda. They all have the same illogical, emotions-based talking points.
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It's pretty easy to see those here who have been brainwashed by the leftist agenda. They all have the same illogical, emotions-based talking points.
(edit: referring to oddlot, obviously not trickster)
They have come out of the woodwork as of late.
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