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CGSSA Range Cleanups Schedule dates and time to clean up outdoor ranges. If we don't who will? |
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How do they selectively shut down public land to just OHV'ers? If the gate is locked, how does a shooter get in yet keep others out? I don't see the practicality of the BLM rangers trying to screen out who can use the land and who can't. I do see them shutting down Panoche completely so as to avoid having to tackle this screening issue. Let's try a different analogy. We're all shooters, whether we shoot shotgun, rifle, or pistol; whether we hunt or target shoot. If there's an ammo ban or a feature ban, the bigger implications affect everyone equally no matter what your shooting discipline might be. I see Panoche and the abuse to be the same. Remember, united we stand, divided we fall.. Turby |
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Regardless if it were shooters or ohv'ers who yanked it off the hinges the gate was full of bullet holes
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Ok let's get back to the repair needed. Looks like we are not getting any offers of someone with a mobile welder. What if we rented a welder and a generator to run it and found a calgunner who can weld to do the work? I'm going to ask my maintenance lead to check into what it would cost for renting a unit and generator for a couple of days. Then all we need is a pick up to haul it down. OH yeah will need a torch to burn a hole in the top hinge point.
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Missing the point. If BLM attributes to shooters, the whole place goes away. If blamed on OHVers, BLM has no deterrent option except enforcement. When CC had certain trails closed, BLM upped outreach and patrols when closed trails were found to be freshly disturbed. They didn't bother hunters and shooters since they were not responsible. Realizing that they had to stop an impacted group of overall users led to a proportional response. It wasn't until the EPA involved its bogus science that BLM completely closed the area.
Same with Panoche. BLM does have the resources to conduct more enforcement and outreach and if they determine it's OHVers they are less likely to totally shut down Panoche. They're an institution, they have SOPs. They tend to stick to them. In dealing with BLM for the last 12 years I've seen the pattern repeated over and over again in California and Nevada. That's why it is important, if it can be shown, to distance shooter abuse (or lack thereof) from OHV abuse. Quote:
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Therefore, I can only presume that shooters of some kind were involved. Turby |
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There is a google map somewhere around here but I cant find it so I made a new one. We should put this on the first post about Panoche threads because people always ask for directions. If anyone can think of anything I can change or add let me know.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=panoch...N&hl=en&tab=wl |
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Mike sometimes you amaze me.
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No more fear, duck, weave anything to keep out of the line of hot brass rain
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Yeah, you've proved that many times. Job well done.
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Heads up, I saw Big5 is selling one of those popup canopies for $69 after $10 instant rebate. I'm going to get one, it's 10x10, and bring it to use at Panoche. I didn't have one last time, I'll be sure to get one this time.
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shade canopy
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And yes, a definite must have for Panoche ... |
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A tip re: Eazy-ups... In windy places (like Panoche sometimes) you need to figure out a way to anchor them down, otherwise they take off like a kite and go bouncing down the landscape like a big tumbleweed.
At my daughter's swim meets we used to use bungee cords and 5-gallon buckets filled with water from the pool, but you get the idea. There's lots of ways to do it. |
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shade canopy stakes
I haven't used 'em yet but OSH has a set of long stakes that have nice heads you can grip made by Coleman (long silver stake w/grey head that kinda looks like the charging handle of an AR15; set of 6 or 8 I think). The cash register gal was gaga over how good they were and it was only $4-6.
The canopy makes a real nice moving target when it blows down range ric |
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Folks, update from the rangers -
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1) Calguns rebuilding the gate - squash this idea for now, looks like the rangers will do it in the spring. 2) Volunteer to help rebuild in the spring - let's think about gathering a list of volunteers who will help with this activity - I'm in for it! Turby |
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Interesting post... I've seen the gate and the upper hinge has been shot off. It needs a new one fabricated. Why the morons didn't just shoot the padlock, I don't know. Probably couldn't hit it at 4 feet. A sign is a good idea, But it would just be used as a target unless posted on the bulletin board near the road. We should state that this area will be closed if this dumping continues. The camera is the best idea so far. Video evedence can prosecute. All we need is a license plate no.
I always bring my little weber folks. You're welcome to toss something on. I just bought a gunsafe. It was way out of my budget but a good deal, so I'm not sure if I can make this one. I'll certainly give it a shot though. If I don't go to Panoche at least once a month, I have a kiniption. |
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fix the Panoche gate
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eye in the sky (well, on the Panoche gate)
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I'll do the welding. Let me know when.
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Wow, thanks. Looks like the welding won't be needed for now, we'll revisit the gate fix in the spring when the rangers get something official together.
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All in all, I agree with nagorb that it isn't practical right now to do it that way. We just need to concentrate our efforts to help the rangers out in the spring when they're ready to put in the new gate.
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Hey that's a great attitude! Really appreciate the effort.
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Doesn't look like I'll be able to make it as of now. Things might change but I could be missing out on the cleanup and shoot. Have fun. Be safe. Give Bob a break from the brass. Oh and don't forget to let him tell you about his ONE SHOT ONE KILL tannerite experience last time.
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