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Old 01-17-2017, 12:02 PM
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We are in Rancho Cucamonga and can help. Can get you in after 8pm so you don't hit traffic.
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We are in Rancho Cucamonga and can help. Can get you in after 8pm so you don't hit traffic.
Thank you, that is a bit far for me, but if nothing else comes through I will definitely give you a call, and thank you for the quick response.

One question can he bring the gun with him here to CA and then we walk in with it, or will he have to ship it to you?
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Thank you, that is a bit far for me, but if nothing else comes through I will definitely give you a call, and thank you for the quick response.



One question can he bring the gun with him here to CA and then we walk in with it, or will he have to ship it to you?


He can walk in with it.
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I am in Redondo Beach, Ca, and am in need of an FFL that can help me with this. I called a few local places and they gave me what I believe to be wrong information. They said that all I need to do is go through the DOJ. I am being gifted an off roster handgun, from my father who lives in Georgia. He will be here at the end of February, and can bring it with him if it makes it easier. We can both be at the FFL together.

Thank you, and am looking forward to the help on this.
You are correct, they are wrong. Federal law requires the residents of two different states go through a FFL in the state in which the buyer/transferee lives.

It should not make any difference whether he brings it or ships it (other than cost). You will need a letter documenting that he is giving it to you and the relationship.

I will send you a PM with a FFL in that area.
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You are correct, they are wrong. Federal law requires the residents of two different states go through a FFL in the state in which the buyer/transferee lives.

It should not make any difference whether he brings it or ships it (other than cost). You will need a letter documenting that he is giving it to you and the relationship.

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Purely a hypothetical question...

So my Dad will be gifting me a gun from FL in the coming months. Say two months down the road I decide to sell that gun to fund another gun purchase, can I do that? I say no way in hell, but a buddy is adamant that its 100% legal to sell that gun via PPT.
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Sure why not?

As far as I know the only restriction on PPT is for a new class of LEO that can not sell to non-rostered folks if they obtained the pistol using LEO exemption.
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Purely a hypothetical question...

So my Dad will be gifting me a gun from FL in the coming months. Say two months down the road I decide to sell that gun to fund another gun purchase, can I do that? I say no way in hell, but a buddy is adamant that its 100% legal to sell that gun via PPT.
It is legal, but if the powers that be decide that you intended to do that in order to make money in advance, you could end up with problems (false statement on a Federal form) even if you win since lawyers don't work for free. One time might not be an issue, but if you do more, then it could become more likely to be a problem.
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Thanks for the replies. I just thought the state would make it much more difficult ha ha.
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Sure why not?

As far as I know the only restriction on PPT is for a new class of LEO that can not sell to non-rostered folks if they obtained the pistol using LEO exemption.
What class are you referring to? Any links that you can provide? Never heard of this before. Is it a statewide or county thing? Would An LEO be able to sell to a buyer out of state; for example via GunBroker or something?
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What class are you referring to? Any links that you can provide? Never heard of this before. Is it a statewide or county thing? Would An LEO be able to sell to a buyer out of state; for example via GunBroker or something?
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This topic is so convoluted is unbelievable. In the last few days, I've gotten two different answers from guys at the same shop then a different answer from a guy at the DOJ. I called another two shops and got similar answers but in the end they were all wrong.

One of the guys at the shop I went to this morning told me he didn't care what the guy from the DOJ said, he was right..

My daughter lives in Vegas, is coming out for Fathers Day to gift me two off roster pistols, one for my birthday which she missed. She's paid for them already.

Is there anyone in the Rocklin, Roseville, Lincoln area that handles this type of transfer?

I get a I need a letter and there's the 1 in 30 rule.

The thing about this is that when she bought the guns in Nevada, they background checked her but there was no information about the guns on the document just that she was buying "handgun". There is no national register and Nevada doesn't require gun registration. Nowhere are these guns in her name.

The California resident to California resident document just asks for the relationship of the transferor, not an ID or address. (It wasn't on the form and I didn't see it in the instructions but I could be wrong)

It seems to me that if it might be a good idea to put a place for the identity of the transferor on the Cal to Cal self registering form.

Anyway, if these types of transfers are handled here locally, please message me.
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This topic is so convoluted is unbelievable. In the last few days, I've gotten two different answers from guys at the same shop then a different answer from a guy at the DOJ. I called another two shops and got similar answers but in the end they were all wrong.
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Anyway, if these types of transfers are handled here locally, please message me.
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What is your question?

Transfers between residents in two different states has to go through a dealer in the state where the person acquiring them lives. You need a letter documenting that it is a gift from your daughter to you. The FFL needs to do the transfer as an exempt handgun sale with a comment that is an intrafamilial transfer (additional wording with the CA PC can also be added). The second gun can't be DROS'd until after the 30 days, which will be listed on the first DROS.

I don't know what the other claims are in how to do it so I can't detail why it is wrong.
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The California resident to California resident document just asks for the relationship of the transferor, not an ID or address. (It wasn't on the form and I didn't see it in the instructions but I could be wrong)

It seems to me that if it might be a good idea to put a place for the identity of the transferor on the Cal to Cal self registering form.
As kemasa addresses above, interstate transfer does not use the CA Operation of Law form - you must transfer through a CA FFL, and all the documentation requirements are handled through the Dealer's Record Of Sale (DROS) process.
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As kemasa addresses above, interstate transfer does not use the CA Operation of Law form - you must transfer through a CA FFL, and all the documentation requirements are handled through the Dealer's Record Of Sale (DROS) process.
Yes I've read this entire stream and it concurs precisely with what the gentleman from the DOJ told me. My statement before my question was just a little rant on how the staff's at the gun shops I've been to all have different interpretations of the law and what's needed.

My question is who in South Placer county handles these types of transfers? As there are so many different interpretations, mostly wrong, at the gun shops, I'd like to give my business to the shop who knows the law so I can follow it.

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Yes I've read this entire stream and it concurs precisely with what the gentleman from the DOJ told me.
Wait - CA-DOJ gave you the correct answer to that question?

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You have experienced a very rare occurrence.

Sorry, don't live near Placer so I can't help with that part.
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Wait - CA-DOJ gave you the correct answer to that question?

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You have experienced a very rare occurrence.

Sorry, don't live near Placer so I can't help with that part.
Lol its the same answer in this thread so yes. A guy named Root, director of what have you, sent me an email that outlines what's been said here. It's the gun stores I've been to and called that seem to be confused.
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Not near you, but we do these all the time. If you're interested in a road trip to Fremont (unfortunately 3 times for you total) setup an appointment with us.

I'm not sure who to refer near you. My best guess near you might be:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/golden-stat...ical-fair-oaks

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Not near you, but we do these all the time. If you're interested in a road trip to Fremont (unfortunately 3 times for you total) setup an appointment with us.

I'm not sure who to refer near you. My best guess near you might be:
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Thank you for the offer. Rick at placer tactical just 5 miles away in Lincoln also can help. :-).
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So my dad (out of state resident) wants to give an off-roster handgun to my brother (his son, CA resident) as a special gift. Thanks to this thread I know it's possible. However when I called a local FFL and mentioned my Dad was shopping around for the handgun, they freaked out and said that would be a straw purchase because my dad didn't already own the gun. Is this true?? My dad can't buy a new handgun with the intention of gifting it (to his son)? The FFL seemed to take issue with this because the gun was off-roster, does that really kick this into 'straw purchase'??
This is supposed to be a surprise for my brother, so he's not even aware of this yet.

Second question; does anyone know of an FFL in the San Diego area that understands the nuances of these transfers? This is for a special occassion, so time is sensitive.
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So my dad (out of state resident) wants to give an off-roster handgun to my brother (his son, CA resident) as a special gift. Thanks to this thread I know it's possible. However when I called a local FFL and mentioned my Dad was shopping around for the handgun, they freaked out and said that would be a straw purchase because my dad didn't already own the gun. Is this true?? My dad can't buy a new handgun with the intention of gifting it (to his son)? The FFL seemed to take issue with this because the gun was off-roster, does that really kick this into 'straw purchase'??
This is supposed to be a surprise for my brother, so he's not even aware of this yet.

Second question; does anyone know of an FFL in the San Diego area that understands the nuances of these transfers? This is for a special occassion, so time is sensitive.
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Since even the Federal 4473 acknowledges an actual gift allows the buyer to say he is the actual buyer, the FFL seems to be confused.

There seems to be a distinction in the exact path followed -

Usually acceptable: buy, take possession, send to CA FFL
Often questioned: buy, have sent to CA FFL
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If it is off-roster, then for the intrafamial transfer to occur, it has to first be transferred to the family member. Otherwise, the family member could just call and order with the CA FFL.
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So my dad (out of state resident) wants to give an off-roster handgun to my brother (his son, CA resident) as a special gift. Thanks to this thread I know it's possible. However when I called a local FFL and mentioned my Dad was shopping around for the handgun, they freaked out and said that would be a straw purchase because my dad didn't already own the gun. Is this true?? My dad can't buy a new handgun with the intention of gifting it (to his son)? The FFL seemed to take issue with this because the gun was off-roster, does that really kick this into 'straw purchase'??
This is supposed to be a surprise for my brother, so he's not even aware of this yet.

Second question; does anyone know of an FFL in the San Diego area that understands the nuances of these transfers? This is for a special occassion, so time is sensitive.
Many thanks-
Tell them to read the 4473, then to call the CA DOJ and ask about an out of state intrafamilial transfer.

When you fill out the 4473, you have to be the actual buyer/transferee. Buying a firearm as a gift makes you the actual buyer.

Intrafamilial transfers are exempt from certified list.

I don't know of any FFLs down there, but perhaps others do or you can educate them by pointing them in the correct direction. Otherwise, perhaps traveling a bit to the north can solve the problem.
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Hi All,

I am planning to ask my mom, who lives in Oregon, for a off roster hang gun for my birthday next year...will there be any changes to the out of state interfamilial off roster hand gun gifting in 2018?
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I am planning to ask my mom, who lives in Oregon, for a off roster hang gun for my birthday next year...will there be any changes to the out of state interfamilial off roster hand gun gifting in 2018?
Nothing goes into effect on Jan 1, 2018, that would change that process.

However, the Legislature comes back into session in a week or three ...
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