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Old 04-25-2018, 8:34 AM
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I posted a thread recently asking about an idea I had to shoot 100,000 rounds through the same pistol. The feedback was pretty much as expected ("sure, if it makes you happy"). Not a torture or endurance test, just normal range shooting and enjoying the time spent shooting.

Welp, I decided to go for it knowing that the process will take years to complete. I purchased a brand new Glock 17 Gen 3 for the test so I could truly document each and every round and start with fresh everything.

I began the test yesterday while the G17 was still in 10-day lockup. I took some pictures to document the condition (and will continue to do so throughout the testing), but the first round of pics are pretty boring. I think we all know what a Glock looks like.

The inside of a brand new Glock 17, complete with copper grease and all. I did lube the gun with CLP prior to testing:



I'll take a better picture of the bore later, as I did not have a brush with me to clean out the "factory debris" for this pic:



Lastly, a quick pic of the front sight after the first session of 720 rounds fired. After only ~100 holster draws, the front sight is already beginning to wear down. I have a set of Trijicons on order:



While this will be casual, I have some ideas for a bit of documentation at specific milestones. I'll either edit this post or add some of those details as I get a bit deeper into testing.

I should mention again that I know this has been done before and documented much more thoroughly than I plan to. This is not supposed to be a truly scientific test, it's just for fun. If you have ideas of what I should track along the way throw them out!

Edit: A note on modifications. I will be changing the sights. I will also be replacing springs at regular intervals (thinking every 10k). Otherwise, the gun will remain completely stock until something breaks. Even then it will be replaced with the same Glock factory part.

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At 1000 rnds a week it takes 2 years, At 500 a week it takes 4 years, I say go for 2000 rnds a week for faster results

Use the same mags over and over, I know using just one mag for testing would suck, but you can see how they hold up as well.
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At 1000 rnds a week it takes 2 years, At 500 a week it takes 4 years, I say go for 2000 rnds a week for faster results
Sure thing - you bring the ammo?

Seriously, it's a lot harder to shoot through 1,000 rounds in a session than I thought. Maybe not if just mag dumping rounds, but that's not the point here. I only made it to 720 rounds in session one.
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Sure thing - you bring the ammo?

Seriously, it's a lot harder to shoot through 1,000 rounds in a session than I thought. Maybe not if just mag dumping rounds, but that's not the point here. I only made it to 720 rounds in session one.
I know 720 is a lot in one session (for a handgun), I think the most I ever ran through in one session and one gun was 400-500 rnds of 40S&W

I'm also curious as to see what the exact mileage will be on the recoil spring when it starts to go south.
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Mods and wear. Pics from the same perspective. Close up of common wear points. Maybe every 5000 or 10000 rounds?
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You could also “reserve” posts for your “essay” so it would be easier to follow instead of drilling through our comments.
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This thread will be obscenely long if you update every 100 rounds.
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Yep, one post per 10K rounds would suffice. A shot of the target would be nice as it *may* show the results of barrel wear.
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Awesome! I see you are ordering after market sights ... have you considered seeing how long the stock plastic ones last? It would be interesting, but of course if you hate them then you shouldn't spend 100k rounds with sights you hate. I mean just to see if the quality of the plastic sights deserve the hatred they get. (Just a note, when I bought a G34 brand new, I dropped it on a wooden floor and the front sight turned from a rectangle into a trapazoid so I can attest that when dropped, they are not durable).

I think if you use it for IPDA/USPSA/Steel challenge, etc, etc, you'll hit your target!
I look forward to the 5,000 or 10,000 round report!
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I hope you invest in a Dillion progressive reloader. Would be interesting to document the making of 100,000 9mm rounds.
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I can see where a lot of people are coming from.

I will be interesting to see how great of a shot you are after 100,000 rounds.

That's a lot of training potential there just being tossed away on an equipment focus that goes way beyond any common owner requirement.

Even the Army only needs a pistol to last 5,000 rounds from a cost/reliability stand point.
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Mods and wear. Pics from the same perspective. Close up of common wear points. Maybe every 5000 or 10000 rounds?
I plan on taking pics every 10k when I do a complete detail strip and clean. I'll try my best to standardize everything for comparison sake.

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This thread will be obscenely long if you update every 100 rounds.
Well considering I shot 720 rounds on day one, I'll make 7 more posts to keep you happy.

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Yep, one post per 10K rounds would suffice. A shot of the target would be nice as it *may* show the results of barrel wear.
I'll do accuracy testing probably at 25k, 50k, 75k, 100k. I'll do a baseline once I install the new sights so the sight picture is always the same for each accuracy test.
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Awesome! I see you are ordering after market sights ... have you considered seeing how long the stock plastic ones last? It would be interesting, but of course if you hate them then you shouldn't spend 100k rounds with sights you hate. I mean just to see if the quality of the plastic sights deserve the hatred they get. (Just a note, when I bought a G34 brand new, I dropped it on a wooden floor and the front sight turned from a rectangle into a trapazoid so I can attest that when dropped, they are not durable).

I think if you use it for IPDA/USPSA/Steel challenge, etc, etc, you'll hit your target!
I look forward to the 5,000 or 10,000 round report!
I do shoot USPSA but have a different gun. I might consider a match or two with this one, but I have a tanfo stock 2 so it's hard to pass up shooting that.

I also want to get the sights changed out asap for accuracy testing as I mentioned above. The stock sighs have never lasted very long on any of my glocks although this is the first I've seen actual wear this quickly.
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I hope you invest in a Dillion progressive reloader. Would be interesting to document the making of 100,000 9mm rounds.
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so $15K worth of ammo unless you reload. Have fun with that.
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Trackcage,
I'm so glad you pulled the proverbial trigger on this endeavor. I look forward to more reports. Happy shooting and reporting to the masses.
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I'm such a newb shooter, I can barely do 200 rounds on my weekly session before my groups start opening up and I get tired just holding up whatever I brought to the range for the day... how do you guys even average 500 a trip?
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You're right that was a stupid comment. I'd be impressed if you finished. Many start but not many finish such an endeavor. Good luck! Subbed

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This sounds like a fun project. I look forward to your progress and am interested to see how long that gun can go
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You reload right? 100,000 rounds would run you $15,000-20,000. Thatís a chunk of change. I donít reload, but heck, whatís the cost of reloading 100,000 rounds? Thatís probably still a chunk of change.
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It is a chunk of change but if he is going to shoot any ways no biggie. Good luck. Look forward to updates.
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I know you mentioned changing the sights as the wear out. It would be cool to not change or fix any non functional parts of the as they wear out so we can see a really accurate picture of the final product 100k later on. Just my .02
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I know you mentioned changing the sights as the wear out. It would be cool to not change or fix any non functional parts of the as they wear out so we can see a really accurate picture of the final product 100k later on. Just my .02
You make a good point and something I meant to include in my OP... No modifications.

I will be changing the sights. I will also be replacing springs at regular intervals (thinking every 10k). Otherwise, the gun will remain completely stock until something breaks. Even then it will be replaced with the same Glock factory part.

I bet with that spring replacement schedule the gun is 100% still functional and original parts even after this high round count. Only way to tell is to keep shooting.
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Spring replacement schedule or not, 100k rounds...I am just curious if when the barrel is done being polished smooth by bullets, if you put a shot shell in it, does it suddenly become a short barreled shotgun ? LOL!
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I would suggest a fresh post for each step then provide links to all of the past posts in each new post. I believe that you can also do a blog here on Calguns that might be worth looking into.
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I’d buy a back up G17. Watch you put a hundo through yours and then glock stops making gen 3.
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Iíd buy a back up G17. Watch you put a hundo through yours and then glock stops making gen 3.
Only on Calguns lol. The gun I bought specifically for this test isn't even out of jail yet and the Calguns faithful suggest I but another. I like your style.
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Really interested in seeing the results of this. You can get super technical as well. I know after shooting 200+ the gun gets super hot, so hot in fact the take down lever and trigger would burn me (XD). I can only imagine after 720 the temp on the thing. I say this as the heat cycling of the barrel and other parts may add to early failure.

You should keep track of every little think like AKOU did with their AK tests. You could come across a plethora of valuable information that could be useful to the whole gun community for years to come.
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OP- Any plans for routine maintenance items such as springs? My G19 likes to tell me it's time to change springs when it starts having type 2 malfunctions (usually every 5,000 rounds).
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Really interested in seeing the results of this. You can get super technical as well. I know after shooting 200+ the gun gets super hot, so hot in fact the take down lever and trigger would burn me (XD). I can only imagine after 720 the temp on the thing. I say this as the heat cycling of the barrel and other parts may add to early failure.

You should keep track of every little think like AKOU did with their AK tests. You could come across a plethora of valuable information that could be useful to the whole gun community for years to come.
Yes, the slide was super hot, but I would give the gun time to cool down as I'm not trying to purposely torture the gun or cause it to fail prematurely. Even still, I was surprised how hot it would get.

Also wouldn't heat cycles be more of a thing on a gun that wasn't shot much as it wpuld heat and cool many, many more times for how many rounds were through it? Just a random thought as I'm not Mr. Science
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Springs and detail strip every 10k rounds. Would consider more frequent intervals if I saw something or started experiencing malfunctions
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I think it means a Hundred Thousand Rounds.


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One thousand nine hundred five. Yea, it's not anywhere near my goal, but pretty good for a gun I DROSed 22 days ago. I'm now rocking a set of Trijicon HD XR sights, which I love. The super wide front sight is what kept me from the original Trijicon HDs. With the new XRs, that problem is solved. Great sights.

The G17 is handling it well. I cleaned for the first time at 1,260 rounds and relubed. Went to the range at lunch today to bring that total to 1,905.

Aside from the sights I plan no other mods on the pistol. I do change all of my 10 round glock mags from the 2183 follower to the 9mm3. Solves the nose dive internet tale and has worked well for me on over 20 other glock mags over the years. The four mags I've been using for this test received the same treatment.

I need to reload more if I'm going to be chucking lead at this rate...

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Cool idea.
750 in one session's pretty good. About 100 rounds of center fire and done.
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