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can't collect and reload aluminum casings.
any particular reason? Last edited by i1800collect; 06-29-2010 at 10:39 PM.. |
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If you don't reload or if you don't collect brass to resell/reuse, i highly suggest you use steel. Its cheaper than all alternatives and don't listen to the crap on the internet about steel ruining guns. If its a modern gun it should handle it without any problems, the wear from steel cases vs brass/aluminum cases is negligible at best. The steel used is very very soft if that is any comfort.
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Aluminum is a great, cheaper alternative to brass ammo if you don't reload. Nothing wrong with it, pretty clean as well. Never any problems with Blazer Aluminum for me after maybe 600 rounds.
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Aluminum is fine.
Steel case may be soft enough, but they always have some coating on them that gums up chambers. By the time you might have caused any additional wear to your gun from these types of ammo, you allready saved enough money to pay for the replacement parts. |
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Generally speaking... this is true.
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I have shot cases and cases of CCI Blazer AL cased ammo. Its good to go.
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Alum casing for handgun ammo is known to be dangerous, since in rapid fire the aluminum can actually melt due to the heat in the chamber. According to a credible study 40% of Alum casing ammo users experience at least one explosion within 200 rounds.
Send me info on where you are looking to get the stuff, and how much it is so I can get a class action lawsuit started. WARNING: before posting scientifically sound skepticism to this statement, please see post 40. Last edited by CalNRA; 07-01-2010 at 8:06 AM.. |
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After approx. 2000+ rounds (spanning 16 years) of shooting CCI alum. cased 9mm I have never had a problem with function. Funny this should come up now. On Monday I went shooting and took some older Blazers w/me. One came out of the box looking like this. First problem ever with Blazers.
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I have shot 3 cases of this ammo at a Todd Green's Aim Fast Hit Fast in the last two years. Todd himself shoots quite a bit of this ammo through his 9mm pistols.
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My 9's all feed everything I put in them with few exceptions. I use Wolf and Blazer depending on what is cheaper. I burn up a lot of ammo and buy by the case. The difference between steel/aluminum vs brass ammo in terms of dollars is tremendous.
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Really? Care to cite a reference on this? I guess I should go to Vegas huh? I've loaded and shot over 2000 of these. Either I'm really LUCKY or you're spreading FUD. (NOTE: I don't recommend re-loading with aluminum cases. This was an experiment and I check each and every case)
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I've shot a couple thousand CCI Blazer alum .45 rounds through my HK with zero malfunctions. Since I've actually never had a single FTF, FTE, etc. with my HK with any ammo, I guess that means the CCI alum ammo at least did all that was expected of it.
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How hot does a rapid-fire gun barrel GET? I couldn't find data on modern machine guns, but found this about a 1914 Hotchkiss: Quote:
I have a hard time believing that a modern machine gun barrel gets to 1220.58 °F. And wouldn't the powder cook off before the AL casing melts? As others have said, let's have a cite supporting the assertion. Otherwise it's FUD. |
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We used to get Blazer aluminum as practice ammo at one agency I worked at and I've shot probably 15K or 20K of it over the years. Never an issue, always went bang. We'd use the cases for plinking / betting after quals were done and then sweep up all the empties and recycle them.
Made our ammo budget go a lot farther.
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your right, but you will not be able to notice the difference!
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I forgot to say, i do have about 1/20 rounds of the aluminum cased stuff jam in my 1911 for some reason. I have not ran it through my glock yet .
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Big difference when your talking about 10 rounds +
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Certain calibers should not be used in carbines.
Winchester and Marlin advise against using Blazer 44 Mag in their rifles, and Ruger advises against using Blazer 40 S&W in their PC4 Carbine — however it's OK to use Blazer 9mm in the PC9. I've had Blazer extraction issues in my CZ SP-01, but they run great in my other 9s. |
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Huh ? Again ?
CalNRA do you know the MELTING temperature of aluminum is ? The powder will go off long before that temperature is reached. I can waste 20 minutes and find links if prodded. It's 1220 F and brass is 1700 F. A handgun containing ammo is going to reach 1200 F ?? The firing chamber where the round is laying gets exposed to 1200 F for how long before it heats up and explodes ? What exactly is the mechanism of the failure ??? Does it go off in the magazine ? Who is holding onto anything this hot ??
If you are really wishing or planning to sue I would think about it a little more. A composite weapon will suffer some deformation well below 1200 F I would think. Glock ? Ruger at 1200 F ?? ?? ???
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blah... i fail metallurgy....
Last edited by Scratch705; 06-30-2010 at 4:29 PM.. Reason: alum does not stick to magnet |
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Really? And all this time I was under the impression aluminum was a non-ferrous metal...
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these are for 45acp (no primer): 10x brass @5.5 grams each= 55 grams= 1.94 ounces= 0.121 pounds 10x aluminum @2.0 grams each= 20 grams= .70 ounces= 0.044 pounds yes aluminum is almost 3 times lighter but at 0.121 vs 0.044 pounds! c'mon who is really going to notice that?????? its not in any way a huge difference. your not going to notice that unless you load it yourself or see the ammo, and if you do maybe you should'nt be shooting a gun. since recoil may hurt your sensitive hands. aluminum is cheap but in my experience, it is not as reliable as brass is. if I could id have all my casings in nickel.
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Good luck with that.................
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If you're ever in the area, I'll put a 10 round mag in your hand with the aluminum case vs a 10 round with brass. You will feel the difference.
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lol, i did, i have 2 boxed of the blazer ammo in my house. did not notice a diference. also, my 1911 weights 32oz or so. and i defenatlly did not notice it there either.
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oh and if you do notice such a small weight deference, you should check you bullets. I reload 45acp and every round is different, one will be 230.1 grains , another 230.5 grains, and so on..... one time i weighed one and it was 231.6 grains. and one was 228.5 grains. so you never know.
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BTW, I'd like to join that lawsuit with you, so let me know where this dangerous stuff is, and how much it's going for so I can start calculating potential damages. Sponge
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I've posted this on other forums and been flamed for it before. Disclaimer: This is not my opinion just information for thought.
Our local Police Academy range banned steel case ammo. they said there's nothing wrong with it under normal shooting conditions, however when they have cadets run through 500-700 rounds in a day without cleaning their weapons the laquer on the cases tends to build up and cause near constant FTF/FTE's. Just a heads up. Apparently this isn't an issue with aluminum or brass cases |
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damn just did a test with a magnet... the soda cans did not stick...... wtf i always thought they were.
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I've shot 500 rounds of tula through a brand new 1911 and it didint get "gummed" up. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm (one of the better writeups)
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I figured the "40% of users experience explosions" figure might be enough of a tip of to a non-serious post. But in case anyone else was preparing to find out if I work for a brass casing maker, I was joking. I shoot aluminum cased ammo all the time. The can be a little dirtier but mostly due to them being the budget line than anything else. (and to you new guys, Welcome to Calguns ) Last edited by CalNRA; 06-30-2010 at 5:12 PM.. |
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