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Old 09-18-2012, 12:36 PM
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Very nice, I want to see what barrel/throat they are using! It must be ultra-reliable.
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Very nice, I want to see what barrel/throat they are using! It must be ultra-reliable.
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"Guns 11, 12, 14 and 15 (1-10 were not fire tested) fired 12,000 rounds before being deadlined due to visible safety-critical cracks found in the slides. Each slide had cracks in the same location, but they varied in size.

One gun had its recoil spring bend enough to bind the slide to the point it no longer could be tested, it was withdrawn from testing."












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How did I know someone was going to post that ^

OP: This has been posted quit a few times, BTW.
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How did I know someone was going to post that ^

OP: This has been posted quit a few times, BTW.
And nobody has ever verified it........for all we know it is bs, or only half the story....internet rumor until somebody reputable says otherwise.
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And nobody has ever verified it........for all we know it is bs, or only half the story....internet rumor until somebody reputable says otherwise.
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and your point is?
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and your point is?
That it is just internet rumor until somebody reputable verifies the story. Thought the point was pretty clear.
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It seems a more radiused cut on the slide would help.
Maybe a heavier weight spring or a recoil buffer?
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I wish they had a carbon steel version, But I still want one anyway! Badass pistol.
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Or a Glock.
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Well, they are testing them now, just like any new product SHOULD be tested.

If there are cracks, then that needs to be diagnosed and fixed. For a design as old as the 1911 and from a company that has been making them for 100 years, that's just unacceptable. But having found the problems, they better make sure they fix it.

It would have been worse if the Marines found these problems out in the field instead of the testing grounds.
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Well, they are testing them now, just like any new product SHOULD be tested.

If there are cracks, then that needs to be diagnosed and fixed. For a design as old as the 1911 and from a company that has been making them for 100 years, that's just unacceptable. But having found the problems, they better make sure they fix it.

It would have been worse if the Marines found these problems out in the field instead of the testing grounds.
I didn't know Colt has been making the railgun for 100 years.
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I didn't know Colt has been making the railgun for 100 years.
Meh, what's the difference mechanically?
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That it is just internet rumor until somebody reputable verifies the story. Thought the point was pretty clear.
And why are you quoting me to make that statement?
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Old 09-18-2012, 6:23 PM
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I love 1911's but unless it has a light weight forged alloy frame or polymer frame I wouldn't want to carry it. And considering there are so many options for lighter weight higher capacity guns that cost a lot less I feel this is huge waste of my tax dollars!
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I love 1911's but unless it has a light weight forged alloy frame or polymer frame I wouldn't want to carry it. And considering there are so many options for lighter weight higher capacity guns that cost a lot less I feel this is huge waste of my tax dollars!
Yeah, lets give even more money to a foreign country instead, that will be a great use of our tax payer dollars.
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Old 09-18-2012, 6:36 PM
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Yeah, lets give even more money to a foreign country instead, that will be a great use of our tax payer dollars.
I dont think he meant a foreign firearm.
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Old 09-18-2012, 6:44 PM
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Quality made it a Colt...50 years ago. Now Colt has been outclassed by many manufacturers.

I doubt the gun the guy in the article tried was pulled right off the production line. That being said, I'm surprised the USMC has gone away from their custom-fitted MEU-SOC pistols for their Force-Recon.
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That being said, I'm surprised the USMC has gone away from their custom-fitted MEU-SOC pistols for their Force-Recon.
They don't have the resources to support the gun. My understanding is that one of the big drivers for this contract was to have the vendor be responsible for rebuilds.

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Or a Glock.
"1911 in .45 ACP: It works, plain and simple, and it doesn’t matter that the design is over 100 years old."

How can anyone not see the shortcomings of the 1911? For 1911 (even 1950) perhaps it's capacity, accuracy, and rate of malfunctions was good, but this isn't the case for 2012. What next, will the Marines will have Springfield Inc do a special run of M1 Garands?

1911s are handsome guns and have a lot of history, but we'd better arm our troops with a 9mm Glock or Sig. Actually, I vote Glock since I'm a member of the 53%.
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Yeah, lets give even more money to a foreign country instead, that will be a great use of our tax payer dollars.
Yea just give them anything as long as its US made. Paying no attention to what might be better. I like the way you think.
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Yea just give them anything as long as its US made. Paying no attention to what might be better. I like the way you think.
S&W is US made
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For everyone saying its a huge mistake and a waste of tax payer money and this or that would be a better gun.
I believe the USMC is more qualified then us to make that decision after all they are putting their butts on the line. We are just blower hot air with our keyboards.
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For everyone saying its a huge mistake and a waste of tax payer money and this or that would be a better gun.
I believe the USMC is more qualified then us to make that decision after all they are putting their butts on the line. We are just blower hot air with our keyboards.
QFT. Amazing how many real estate agents and diesel mechanics know what's best for our armed forces. I see both sides, but I'm sure there was a reason the USMC chose what they did.
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I know you do because you don't think for yourself
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For everyone saying its a huge mistake and a waste of tax payer money and this or that would be a better gun.
I believe the USMC is more qualified then us to make that decision after all they are putting their butts on the line. We are just blower hot air with our keyboards.
Exactly, it just shows their ignorance which is fine with me.
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"1911 in .45 ACP: It works, plain and simple, and it doesn’t matter that the design is over 100 years old."

How can anyone not see the shortcomings of the 1911? For 1911 (even 1950) perhaps it's capacity, accuracy, and rate of malfunctions was good, but this isn't the case for 2012. What next, will the Marines will have Springfield Inc do a special run of M1 Garands?

1911s are handsome guns and have a lot of history, but we'd better arm our troops with a 9mm Glock or Sig. Actually, I vote Glock since I'm a member of the 53%.
100% agree!!

Colts god-like reputation is gone. Many American manufacturers do it better and cheaper these days. The cost is outrageous and a waste and dont even give me that Support included in the contract crap. What good is warranty in the middle of a fight. How about you give the soldiers a pistol that does not need a warranty. You could give each soldier 4 M&P's for the cost of that colt relic. 12,000 rounds is peanuts to what a modern pistol will shoot.
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100% agree!!

Colts god-like reputation is gone. Many American manufacturers do it better and cheaper these days. The cost is outrageous and a waste and dont even give me that Support included in the contract crap. What good is warranty in the middle of a fight. How about you give the soldiers a pistol that does not need a warranty. You could give each soldier 4 M&P's for the cost of that colt relic. 12,000 rounds is peanuts to what a modern pistol will shoot.
I take it you haven't shot a new Colt.
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Sig 226 works well for SOCOM and the Department of the Navy. Why not go with them? There already in use and contracted.
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Exactly, it just shows their ignorance which is fine with me.
Yeah not like they ever rushed in a PoC like ohh say the original M-16 and also the ammo for it... Yeah don't need cleaning kits for em either...

Some of you guys bust me up. I tell ya what I'd much rather have an M-14 than some PoC M-4 if my life depends on it. I like my AR for fun but seriously I'd rather carry the extra 50 lbs and have a real weapon. You all can believe whatever BS the government feeds ya if you want too. The Government never looks out for the ground pounders if you think they do you an idiot.
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Exactly, it just shows their ignorance which is fine with me.
Oh there's ignorance showing alright .

The military really should consult the geniuses on calguns before making anymore decisions.
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Huge mistake, I mean I don't actually own a 1911 but I shot one once. I know they should have used Glocks instead cause I have a Glock and it's never let me down.

Better yet the could have used Springfiled XD's cause they come with holsters and stuff, that'd save money.

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Oh there's ignorance showing alright .

The military really should consult the geniuses on calguns before making anymore decisions.
LOL exactly! I am sure we know way more then they do because we all subject our guns to these same exact tests and know better.
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"1911 in .45 ACP: It works, plain and simple, and it doesn’t matter that the design is over 100 years old."

How can anyone not see the shortcomings of the 1911? For 1911 (even 1950) perhaps it's capacity, accuracy, and rate of malfunctions was good, but this isn't the case for 2012. What next, will the Marines will have Springfield Inc do a special run of M1 Garands?

1911s are handsome guns and have a lot of history, but we'd better arm our troops with a 9mm Glock or Sig. Actually, I vote Glock since I'm a member of the 53%.
So we should get rid of the M2 because it's nearly just as old as a 1911?
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Yeah not like they ever rushed in a PoC like ohh say the original M-16 and also the ammo for it... Yeah don't need cleaning kits for em either...

Some of you guys bust me up. I tell ya what I'd much rather have an M-14 than some PoC M-4 if my life depends on it. I like my AR for fun but seriously I'd rather carry the extra 50 lbs and have a real weapon. You all can believe whatever BS the government feeds ya if you want too. The Government never looks out for the ground pounders if you think they do you an idiot.
Yeah, because it was the rifle and not the powder or the fact that the soldiers where told that they didn't need to clean them. You even state it in your post, it was the ammo(powder) and the fact that the brass told their men that they didn't need to clean the m-16. Once the ammo was fixed and the soldiers where issued cleaning kits and told to clean their guns the problems were mostly weeded out.
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I can understand the aversion to a Colt or the 1911 platform, but why does everyone keep saying they need a 9mm? The reasion they're looking at a .45 is because the 9mm was shown to be less effective in combat. You know, like how .223 is generally less effective than the larger .308 round.

Give the guys whatever works, reliably, and can do the job. If that means Glock, give 'em Glocks. But don't give the guys in the dirt a 9mm because a girl or a sissy who's never going to see a gun again after basic can't hit the side of a barn with anything stronger than the Nintendo gun.
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I would love to see the 45ACP come back into service. Its a great round for sure and if private Sally Smith can't control it she should not be selected for the job. Give the soldiers the tools and firepower they need.

I have nothing wrong with Colt. They make fine weapons but I strongly feel they were given the contract and did not earned it. Colt is over priced IMO. I've shot plenty of colt 1911's, AR's and a couple revolvers and seen nothing special about them. They fail in the same areas other pistols fail. Nothing against Colt, I just hate the Colt cult like following that think the firearms where handed down by God himself. What really pisses me off is the fact WE the people are paying full MSRP and markup for a pistol. We should not be paying more than half of what those pistols cost. This contract reeks of kick-backs. If our guys want Colt 1911's fine, give it to them but someone should be looking out for John Taxpayer and getting a better deal. We got screwed here.
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