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Old 03-30-2019, 3:55 PM
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Default Can we use 20 and 30 round mags in any AR-15 type rifle?

Can we use 20 and 30 round mags in any AR-15 type rifle with the new law making standard (called "high capacity by the FAKE MEDIA) capacity mags legal?
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Old 03-30-2019, 3:58 PM
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So can you shove a drum in your maglocked rifle/pistol now?
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So can you shove a drum in your maglocked rifle/pistol now?
No, only featureless.
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You can use them in any gun that can legally accept detachable magazines, but NOT in any gun that has a fixed mag or mag lock compliance device of any kind. The only exception would be registered bullet button assault weapons.
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No, maglocked rifles are still limited to 10 rounds. If you do, you've made an AW. only featureless and I believe RAW. some correct me if Im wrong about RAW
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no above posts correct. Already been asked and answered in the multiple threads. Same with ar pistol no large cap mags.
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The recent lower Federal Court ruling did not effect CA assault weapons laws.

Which means 11+ round magazines can still not be utilized in fixed magazine semi-auto centerfire rifles or in fixed magazine semi-auto pistols, if you are trying to avoid making an illegal assault weapon.

A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity of greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(2)]

A semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine capacity of greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(5)]


Therefore...

If your semi-auto firearm utilizes a device that makes it have a "fixed magazine", then it is still CA illegal to increase the fixed magazine's capacity to greater than 10 rounds because doing so will make the firearm an illegal assault weapon.

11+ round magazines can legally be used in RAWs, featureless semi-auto centerfire rifles, rimfire rifles, manually operated rifles, shotguns, manually operated pistols, and featureless semi-auto pistols.
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No are we going to get the "should have reg my bb rifle" now? I have to say that is the first thing I thought of when the 10 round got voted out. Of well. Fetureless/mag lock it is.
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The recent lower Federal Court ruling did not effect CA assault weapons laws.

Which still means 11+ round magazines can not be utilized to make an assault weapon.

A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity of greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(2)]

A semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine capacity of greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(5)]
I'm a little iffy on exactly how the law interprets "fixed magazine" so let me ask a stupid question of you don't mind?

So if I had a nice 1911 pistol with the ability to interchange magazines, if while on the range I dropped out an 8-round magazine and put in an 11-round magazine instead of a magazine instead, would I have created an assault weapon?

Or another way of asking. . . Our local cops have taken to using pistols with magazines which have a capacity of greater than 10 rounds. Are those technically assault weapons according to California state law?

And yes, these are theoretical questions as I do not have either the pistol under discussion or the matching magazines with greater than a 10-round capacity.


I do have a rifle (bolt-action) with a 5 round magazine which is not detachable. I consider that to be a "fixed magazine".
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I'm a little iffy on exactly how the law interprets "fixed magazine" so let me ask a stupid question of you don't mind?
CA laws and regulations...

Penal Code 30515
(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 1 Section 5460
The definitions of terms in section 5471 of this chapter shall apply to the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5471
(n) “Disassembly of the firearm action” means the fire control assembly is detached from the action in such a way that the action has been interrupted and will not function. For example, disassembling the action on a two part receiver, like that on an AR-15 style firearm, would require the rear take down pin to be removed, the upper receiver lifted upwards and away from the lower receiver using the front pivot pin as the fulcrum, before the magazine may be removed.
(p) “Fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.
(w) “Permanently attached to” means the magazine is welded, epoxied, or riveted into the magazine well. A firearm with a magazine housed in a sealed magazine well and then welded, epoxied, or riveted into the sealed magazine well meets the definition of “permanently attached to”.
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I'm a little iffy on exactly how the law interprets "fixed magazine" so let me ask a stupid question of you don't mind?

So if I had a nice 1911 pistol with the ability to interchange magazines, if while on the range I dropped out an 8-round magazine and put in an 11-round magazine instead of a magazine instead, would I have created an assault weapon?

Or another way of asking. . . Our local cops have taken to using pistols with magazines which have a capacity of greater than 10 rounds. Are those technically assault weapons according to California state law?

And yes, these are theoretical questions as I do not have either the pistol under discussion or the matching magazines with greater than a 10-round capacity.


I do have a rifle (bolt-action) with a 5 round magazine which is not detachable. I consider that to be a "fixed magazine".
That 1911 is not an assault weapon by CA law, because it is a featureless pistol, unless it has a forward pistol grip, barrel shroud, etc. Adding a stock would make it a short barreled rifle.

Using a magazine with capacity greater than 10 does not make something automatically an assault weapon, it is that guns that have these "features" that would put them into that category, which is only negated due to the fact that it has a fixed magazine (read: action of the firearm is required before removing magazine is possible), would negate that, and it would become an assault weapon anyway.

So to answer your question, you can use a magazine that is of a capacity greater than 10 rounds, and not have it be an assault weapon. An example of this would be a featureless AK, fixed stock, no pistol grip, no forward grip, no grenade launchers, etc. with a standard magazine release, and a 30 round magazine.
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Damn 10 rounders it is in my ar pistol
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Thank you for the explanations!
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If I had a MagLock device on my Ar15 I must still travel with a magazine inserted that can hold 10rds or less.

At this time it is ok to have multiple 30rd magazines with me as long as they are never seen inserted into the MagLock AR15. They are for my featureless one that I also shoot.

Before the act of having a 10+ magazine was the problem today it is not ?
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So my interpretation is that a registered bullet button assault weapon is not a fixed magazine device and therefore I can use a standard capacity magazine in it?
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nice. guess i'm getting a drum from my RAW. can't tell you how much time I wasted at the range loading magazines.
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If I had a MagLock device on my Ar15 I must still travel with a magazine inserted that can hold 10rds or less.
Not quite; you need not have a 10-round mag inserted - no legal requirement to do that. A mag-lock device in the new usage is a modification to the rifle that remains whether a mag is in place or not.

But as you note, do not put in a mag that holds 11 or more.

Now, having a mag in place can be useful to keep the occasional confused people from making a mistake - doing more than the law requires is fine.
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So my interpretation is that a registered bullet button assault weapon is not a fixed magazine device and therefore I can use a standard capacity magazine in it?
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Well damn. I'm happy I registered one of my rifles as a BBRAW. Yay 30 rounders!

Though can I ask, is that the universally accepted answer where there's no gray area?
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Does "construction" clause apply to this as well if you do/don't have a featureless rifle?

I'm also thinking there is no way to enforce this as you would just release the magazine, especially if you have a spare 10rd mag.
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Well damn. I'm happy I registered one of my rifles as a BBRAW. Yay 30 rounders!

Though can I ask, is that the universally accepted answer where there's no gray area?
Yes, final answer.
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Thanks Librarian. Freaking sweet!
But don't forget the apparently rare 'nuisance' problem or the possibly-to-be-reinstated 'possession' problem.
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Hi. I just installed the Juggernaut Hellfighter mod kit when I put together my AR when I got the lower from Riflegear and my upper from Ceratac. And then the news about the magazines came in. My question is, can I use a 30rnd magazine on my build? I've been reading a lot of different answers about this but haven't found my answer. Some say no that is still falls as being an AW and others said that since it is a featureless rifle, I can. But I thought that going featureless you needed to get a fin grip and a non adjustable stock. The mod lets me keep my pistol grip and my adjustable stock. Thanks.
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Hi. I just installed the Juggernaut Hellfighter mod kit when I put together my AR when I got the lower from Riflegear and my upper from Ceratac. And then the news about the magazines came in. My question is, can I use a 30rnd magazine on my build? I've been reading a lot of different answers about this but haven't found my answer. Some say no that is still falls as being an AW and others said that since it is a featureless rifle, I can. But I thought that going featureless you needed to get a fin grip and a non adjustable stock. The mod lets me keep my pistol grip and my adjustable stock. Thanks.
You have a pistol grip and adjustable stock and a mag lock so you are fixed mag not featureless... read the above...10 round mags max only in your rifle.
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Newbie blackrose just does not get the fact he has a fixed mag rifle and cannot use large cap mags. Read the flow chart blackrose. Already many posts on this.
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Sorry about this question as I’m sure it has been answered several times. I just can’t find a clean answer. I bought a few AR15 before 2000 and registered it back then as assault weapons. I haven’t shot them once and put them away for the last 19 years thinking it was my only chance to have one if I ever wanted one in California. So questions are the following:

1. Did I had to register the AR15 again back mid-2018?
2. Can I still use detach mags for them if they were registered back before 2000 or was it 2001 before the ban?

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^^^ You are grandfathered in and good to go. Put a belt on them if you wish.(LOL) Good for you you outwaitted the dkheds.
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RAW AR/AK pistol is OK right?
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Thanks Edgerly for the quick response. I plan to submit an Automated Firearms System (AFS) Request for Firearm Records (BOF 053) to keep a copy handy just in case I ever get questioned at the range.

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No are we going to get the "should have reg my bb rifle" now? I have to say that is the first thing I thought of when the 10 round got voted out. Of well. Fetureless/mag lock it is.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Sucks for everyone that was so adamant about NOT registering. Welp, now I think I’ll go shoot all my RAW’s in 30 round bursts.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. Sucks for everyone that was so adamant about NOT registering. Welp, now I think I’ll go shoot all my RAW’s in 30 round bursts.
Lol. I know, right. I hedged a bit. I registered a few as RAW, converted a couple to featureless, and fixed the mags on a couple.

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The recent lower Federal Court ruling did not effect CA assault weapons laws.

Which means 11+ round magazines can still not be utilized in fixed magazine semi-auto centerfire rifles or in fixed magazine semi-auto pistols, if you are trying to avoid making an illegal assault weapon.

A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity of greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(2)]

A semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine capacity of greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(5)]


Therefore...

If your semi-auto firearm utilizes a device that makes it have a "fixed magazine", then it is still CA illegal to increase the fixed magazine's capacity to greater than 10 rounds because doing so will make the firearm an illegal assault weapon.

11+ round magazines can legally be used in RAWs, featureless semi-auto centerfire rifles, rimfire rifles, manually operated rifles, shotguns, manually operated pistols, and featureless semi-auto pistols.


What about a registered AOW?


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What about a registered AOW?
Title 2 AOW are not exempt from CA assault weapons laws.

If the Title 2 AOW is also a RAW, then it can legally utilize 11+ round magazines.

If the Title 2 AOW is manually operated, then it can legally utilize 11+ round magazines.

If the Title 2 AOW is semi-auto and utilizes a fixed magazine, then it can not have a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10.
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I got so much crap for registering a few pistols and rifles....
Yep. Me too. I "stuck to my guns" so to speak and didn't listen to all those people blabbering about how stupid I was to register. Bunch of sheep walking off cliffs because their buddies are doing it. Not smart.....

Congrats to you and everyone else who hedged your bets. Happy shooting.
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How does this all relate to semi auto pistols? Granted you have a compliant semi auto. (If theres a thread already, please share it. I can NOT find one.)
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How does this all relate to semi auto pistols? Granted you have a compliant semi auto. (If theres a thread already, please share it. I can NOT find one.)
'Ordinary' pistols are not an issue for using LCMs, because they do not have any version of 'fixed magazine'; there exist 'assault weapon type' pistols - PC 30515 (a)
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(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.

(B) A second handgrip.

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
Though that's not complete, commonly such section-5 pistols are 'ar pistols'.
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So you cannot use a 10+ round magazine in a registered AR-15 pistol (Franklin Armory) but you can in a registered AR-15 rifle, both have bullet buttons?
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Old 05-20-2019, 8:08 PM
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Thanks, and I assume this is because the AR-15 pistol has its magazine well outside the pistol grip?
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