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Old 04-05-2019, 1:04 AM
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I have a serialized and volregged 80% lower, which is registered as just a lower. I want to build a single shot bolt action pistol, but the part of the penal code I'm getting caught up on is the 30 days to configure part. I volregged prior to the cutoff where registration was required and applications were for serial numbers assigned by DOJ. Do/did I only have 30 days to complete/have completed the build and submit documentation of such? Or because I volregged would/am I exempt from the 30 say reconfiguration period? Is it possible to reconfigure (not to an unsafe handgun) /build a lower into a pistol /change the barrel after 30 days from registration?

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You would have to get a new lower to mill out specifically for the pistol. Iím guessing the lower you volreg was as a rifle before the cutoff date. The 30 day reconfiguration period is if you got the serial number engraved and build up the pistol as a single shot in its final configuration.
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Oh and the 30 day period is for the USNA process since the volreg is no longer available for self made firearms.
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Old 04-05-2019, 2:28 PM
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You would have to get a new lower to mill out specifically for the pistol. Iím guessing the lower you volreg was as a rifle before the cutoff date. The 30 day reconfiguration period is if you got the serial number engraved and build up the pistol as a single shot in its final configuration.


Unfortunately yes; volreg'd as "rifle". I just checked CRIS. I thought there was a reciever only option. Oh darn, gotta assemble another AR


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Potentially dumb question;

From what I understand only 80% lowers built into firearms need to be registered and serial number'd, stripped lowers don't need that so long as it's built into a featureless rifle, right?
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Old 04-07-2019, 9:09 PM
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80s had to be with Volregged by the cutoff date. Now you have to apply for a SN before you machine it.
If by stripped, you mean a DROSed lower, it already has a SN from the manufacturer.
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Old 04-08-2019, 8:10 AM
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Potentially dumb question;

From what I understand only 80% lowers built into firearms need to be registered and serial number'd, stripped lowers don't need that so long as it's built into a featureless rifle, right?
ANY 80% firearm receiver with any amount of completion work beyond how it was originally sold as a non-firearm now needs to be marked, serialized and registered.
It does not matter if it's assembled into a functional firearm or not.
It does not matter how it is configured.
Simply being machined beyond the non-firearm level makes it a firearm and therefore subject to the marking/serializing/registration law.

Alternatives to marking include destruction or removal from California.
It's cheaper to cut up an 80% reciever and DROS a 100% receiver than it is to go through the USNA process and engrave one lower with your make/model/serial number.
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Yeah, the $$ I burned so I can build and keep unregistered is lost now. Lame.
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:32 PM
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Yeah, the $$ I burned so I can build and keep unregistered is lost now. Lame.
Meanwhile, any long gun purchased prior to 2013 is not registered.
All those 2005 "two weeks" lowers are not registered...
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:35 PM
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All those 2005 "two weeks" lowers are not registered...
I'm not old enough to know. What is this?
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I'm not old enough to know. What is this?
Back in 2005 when the bullet button became the solution to be able to build AR's, everyone thought that the DOJ would shutdown the sales of lowers in...



Hence we have the term "two weeks" in common use on Calguns as well as the above smily.
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You have to admire the great lengths the State of California has gone, and continues to go, to convert law abiding citizens into criminals.

Truly boggles the mind...
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You have to admire the great lengths the State of California has gone, and continues to go, to convert law abiding citizens into criminals.

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You didn't search hard enough.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1194330


This one is on the house.
Nice find thanks
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Anyone else still waiting for approval letters for volreg'd AR pistols? I submitted end of June 2018, got a request in December asking for pictures, pushed back asking for citation of penal code, haven't heard anything else since. Still says "In Progress" in CRIS.
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Does this law also relate to 80% Glock build polymer frames offered by our favorite big box internet retailers?

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Old 04-20-2019, 11:42 AM
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Does this law also relate to 80% Glock build polymer frames offered by our favorite big box internet retailers?

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Californian’s can’t currently manufacture pistols, that pertains to 80% kits as well. We are banned to do so.
Also before buying any pistols we must make sure they are listed in the California Roster.
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

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We used to be able to build a a few years ago. Many of us did back then.
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Californianís canít currently manufacture pistols, that pertains to 80% kits as well. We are banned to do so.
Also before buying any pistols we must make sure they are listed in the California Roster.
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

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We used to be able to build a a few years ago. Many of us did back then.
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:46 AM
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Californianís canít currently manufacture pistols, that pertains to 80% kits as well. We are banned to do so.
Also before buying any pistols we must make sure they are listed in the California Roster.
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

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We used to be able to build a a few years ago. Many of us did back then.
Not sure why this FUD has become so prevalent on calguns in recent months. Is it because of the crackdown on AR pistols that were converted to semi auto?

If that's what it is... Are we not capable of some critical thinking? Franklin Armory fights CADOJ and essentially forces them to roster a bolt action AR pistol. These pistols (lets face it, they're basically SBRs) start getting sold statewide, people obviously converting them to semi auto. DOJ (already butthurt about letting it on the roster in the first place) decides to do deploy some extra-judicial scare tactics by going out and confiscating some AR pistols and publishing a threatening memo.

Calgunners proceed to throw a wet blanket on the entire 80% handgun market....
80% 1911? Same as AR Pistol...

SSE1 pistol from years ago? Some even saying those are illegal now.

SSE2 pistol? Nope! Apparently all the exemptions in the penal code disappeared overnight.

It's bad enough what we have coming down the Newsom pipeline without adding to it with our own unwarranted regulation.
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Old 04-28-2019, 11:23 AM
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Not sure why this FUD has become so prevalent on calguns in recent months.
Is it because of the crackdown on AR pistols that were converted to semi auto?
It's because of the 2014 crackdown on dealers converting semi-auto pistols into single shot pistols temporarily in order to bypass the roster.
In shutting down that, the DOJ expanded the definition of "manufacturing an unsafe pistol" to also overlap with what was previously legal for home builders to do.
Therefore it has not been legal to self make a semi-auto pistol since 2014.
No problem with single shots or bolt actions or break-open action pistols.
It's just not legal to later make any of those into semi-autos.
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:36 AM
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It's because of the 2014 crackdown on dealers converting semi-auto pistols into single shot pistols temporarily in order to bypass the roster.
In shutting down that, the DOJ expanded the definition of "manufacturing an unsafe pistol" to also overlap with what was previously legal for home builders to do.
Therefore it has not been legal to self make a semi-auto pistol since 2014.
No problem with single shots or bolt actions or break-open action pistols.
It's just not legal to later make any of those into semi-autos.
Agree with everything you said except that last part. That's another instance where calgunners misinterpreted a new law (in this case, ab857)

Michel & Associates doesn't believe it's illegal to convert to semi auto either. There are no prosecutions of people converting being charged as manufacturing.

Here's a link to one of many discussions that reference AB857:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...php?p=22326431

Once a firearm is built, its manufactured. Modifying firearms into other legal configurations are exactly that, modification.

the 4th circuit defined manufacturing as "to make ready for use"
the ab857 definition finishes with the phrase "to contruct a firearm" (which implies a firearm didnt exist beforehand)

if we try to take the literal definition, simply putting together a gun after cleaning it would be manufacturing.
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Old 04-30-2019, 6:01 AM
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Lots of people registered 80% pistols as semi auto converted and non of them got raided.
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Old 04-30-2019, 7:42 AM
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Lots of people registered 80% pistols as semi auto converted and non of them got raided.
I'm still waiting with my pics pending after applying for a serial number for a ar pistol made in 15 or 16 but I broke it back down after registered as a semi auto that was originally built as a single shot with no gas tube. Then we had videos of some guys getting visits and the reason was the unsafe pistol production so I figure if I make it atleast a year without a visit I might be in the clear.

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Lots of people registered 80% pistols as semi auto converted and non of them got raided.
Ya but at least a few did get raided.

Not saying anything is legal or illegal, just saying that while lots of people didn't get raided for this, a few did.
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Ya but at least a few did get raided.

Not saying anything is legal or illegal, just saying that while lots of people didn't get raided for this, a few did.
For AW reg wasn't it just one guy and it wasn't related to manufacturing/SSE but rather AW features right?
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For AW reg wasn't it just one guy and it wasn't related to manufacturing/SSE but rather AW features right?
The one of the dude that last 2 in San Diego that he videos they handed him a paperwork stating that his pistol he built wasnt on the roster so it was illegal to do so.

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The one of the dude that last 2 in San Diego that he videos they handed him a paperwork stating that his pistol he built wasnt on the roster so it was illegal to do so.

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That doesnít sound like itís related to AWReg tho. I guess Iím splitting hairs but I donít think anyone who AWRegd their pistols had been hit with manufacturing stemming from the AWReg.
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I’m still a bit confused about the process required for stripped lowers purchased online from out of state that already have a serial #, makers name, makers city & state, and caliber.
Beyond shipping it to a local FFL and doing the DROS process, would I still have to get a Cali DOJ assigned serial and/or register it?

I’d like to buy one of those PSA AR stripped lower receivers when they go on sale, but it defeats the purpose if I have to get it engraved again.
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Iím still a bit confused about the process required for stripped lowers purchased online from out of state that already have a serial #, makers name, makers city & state, and caliber.
Beyond shipping it to a local FFL and doing the DROS process, would I still have to get a Cali DOJ assigned serial and/or register it?

Iíd like to buy one of those PSA AR stripped lower receivers when they go on sale, but it defeats the purpose if I have to get it engraved again.
That's not an 80%. This is the 80% thread. What you are talking about is a regular 100% receiver that does not need to be engraved again. Nothing in this thread really applies to that.
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That's not an 80%. This is the 80% thread. What you are talking about is a regular 100% receiver that does not need to be engraved again. Nothing in this thread really applies to that.
That makes sense. This is my first AR build and Iím still wrapping my head around all the new terminaology.

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That makes sense. This is my first AR build and Iím still wrapping my head around all the new terminaology.



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Once you get your lower, take a look at some of the compliance threads, to make sure you don't accidentally make a felony "Assault Weapon". It's pretty easy to mess that up if you aren't too familiar with the laws and assemble the wrong combination of parts. In summary, it either needs some sort of magazine lock that requires you to open the action to change mags, or it needs to lack any and all assault weapon "features". I've already seen a few people build assault weapons without even realizing it. Also if you bought any large capacity mags during freedom week, you can't use them in an AR that has a magazine lock, you can only use them in a featureless AR.
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If I am 19, with a hunting license, am I able to apply for a serial number and manufacture in California?

Or- I am currently living in Colorado, and am legally considered to be a resident of Colorado under ATF ruling 1980-21. Am I able to drill a hole into my receiver in Colorado, import it, and then register it under ß 5509 (c)?
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If I am 19, with a hunting license, am I able to apply for a serial number and manufacture in California?



Or- I am currently living in Colorado, and am legally considered to be a resident of Colorado under ATF ruling 1980-21. Am I able to drill a hole into my receiver in Colorado, import it, and then register it under ß 5509 (c)?
Why not just finish the thing in Colorado and then bring it with you when you move?

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That's what I'm asking if I can do- California doesn't really explain what a New Resident is. I am technically a Colorado resident according to the ATF, but since I still live in the dorms I am unable to get a Colorado DL. Would I be breaking the law if I import and apply for a SN?
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Agree with everything you said except that last part. That's another instance where calgunners misinterpreted a new law (in this case, ab857)

Michel & Associates doesn't believe it's illegal to convert to semi auto either. There are no prosecutions of people converting being charged as manufacturing.

Here's a link to one of many discussions that reference AB857:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...php?p=22326431

Once a firearm is built, its manufactured. Modifying firearms into other legal configurations are exactly that, modification.

the 4th circuit defined manufacturing as "to make ready for use"
the ab857 definition finishes with the phrase "to contruct a firearm" (which implies a firearm didnt exist beforehand)

if we try to take the literal definition, simply putting together a gun after cleaning it would be manufacturing.
DOJ opines that what you and I call "conversion" is actually "manufacturing".
I disagree as well, but that's their opinion.
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Not sure if I posted this or not but for a data point I did a 80% volreg literally at the last minute at 11:56pm or something. I posted in this thread about it. That got approved and letter sent back to me Nov. 3rd of last year.
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Sheesh, CFARS login not working..."forgot password" link ALSO not working.
I thought I read people were having problems reseting their password but I can't find the post(s).
Anyone know about this off the top of their head?
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I selected remember my password and that's still working for me. I did a request for a serial number for a AR pistol built in 15 or 16, was given serials to engrave and got that done and accepted in December I think, application still shows pending approval from my pics. 6 months down, another 6 to go i guess from that year stipulation deal before I'd feel confident reassembling it if I didnt get a visit first.

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Sheesh, CFARS login not working..."forgot password" link ALSO not working.
I thought I read people were having problems reseting their password but I can't find the post(s).
Anyone know about this off the top of their head?
I had to call them to get mine reset a while back.

Anyone know what the "change password" frequency is? Seems very short ... Six months perhaps? Just managed to catch mine one day before it expired and would like to mark my calendar for next time.

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Not sure if I posted this or not but for a data point I did a 80% volreg literally at the last minute at 11:56pm or something. I posted in this thread about it. That got approved and letter sent back to me Nov. 3rd of last year.
What kind of build? Still waiting on three AR pistol builds, volreg'd end of June, still says In Progress, never got any letters.

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