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Old 04-19-2019, 12:39 PM
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I bought 15 round magazines during "Freedom Week", I am going to FrontSight in Nevada and want to take them with me - Sacramento to Las Vegas and back to Sacramento.
If I fly will I be able to bring them back into California or will they get confiscated because they now came from Nevada, even though they came from California first?
I know how to pack my pistol - no problem, just don't want to lose my new mags.
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Have to block them to bring back. Cannot import 10 plus round mags after 4/5/19 at 5pm.Use search lots of posts on this.
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I bought 15 round magazines during "Freedom Week", I am going to FrontSight in Nevada and want to take them with me - Sacramento to Las Vegas and back to Sacramento.
If I fly will I be able to bring them back into California or will they get confiscated because they now came from Nevada, even though they came from California first?
I know how to pack my pistol - no problem, just don't want to lose my new mags.
My advice is leave them here, take 10s, and source 15s there, then leave them, sell them, gift them.
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What if you block them now, take them out, bring them back blocked? How does that fit into the law?
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If you take them there and block before coming you cannot unblock back here.
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What if you block them now, take them out, bring them back blocked? How does that fit into the law?
Sure, that works . . . so long as you leave them blocked once you are back in California. If you unblock them in California, then you're manufacturing a large-capacity magazine. Pen. Code Sec. 32310(b).

In other words, not a good idea.
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Pretty much what I thought.
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They won't be confiscated - TSA doesn't care, so long as they are in checked luggage - but that would be importing LCMs, and that's prohibited.
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Being a Cali resident, are you even allowed to purchase any mag that is 10+ even for your training in Vegas? I remember going to a gun store out there a few years ago and the owner wouldn't even let me touch anything, let alone sell me things, because I was from Cali. All I wanted was a shiny blue beretta gun lock.

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Being a Cali resident, are you even allowed to purchase any mag that is 10+ even for your training in Vegas? I remember going to a gun store out there a few years ago and the owner wouldn't even let me touch anything, let alone sell me things, because I was from Cali. All I wanted was a shiny blue beretta gun lock.

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That owner was a moron. California residents are free to purchase whatever they want outside of California, so long as it is not a firearm and is legal in the state they are purchasing. Purchasing a firearm, with some limited restrictions (C&R for FFL03 holders), outside of your home state violates the Gun Control Act of 1968, unless it is shipped to an FFL in your state of residence.

Also, how would he know you are from California? Did you announce it or something?
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He asked me for an ID when I asked if I can take a look at revolver. When he saw that I was from Cali, he said I couldn't handle anything in the store.

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He asked me for an ID when I asked if I can take a look at revolver. When he saw that I was from Cali, he said I couldn't handle anything in the store.

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He asked me for an ID when I asked if I can take a look at revolver. When he saw that I was from Cali, he said I couldn't handle anything in the store.
He sounds like a real douchebag. What store was it?
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He sounds like a real douchebag. What store was it?
I don't remember. This was a few years back. I think there was a shooting range within the same property though or very close to it.

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It would be a ghastly violation to just ship them from NV to your home. I probably won't sleep tonight for just mentioning that....
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That owner was a moron. California residents are free to purchase whatever they want outside of California, so long as it is not a firearm and is legal in the state they are purchasing. Purchasing a firearm, with some limited restrictions (C&R for FFL03 holders), outside of your home state violates the Gun Control Act of 1968, unless it is shipped to an FFL in your state of residence.

Also, how would he know you are from California? Did you announce it or something?
I had the same experience in one of the larger Vegas gun stores, but not in another that didn't ask me for my I.D. and even when I told the guy I was from Cali. I have family in Vegas and one store is going to make a legal sale.
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He asked me for an ID when I asked if I can take a look at revolver. When he saw that I was from Cali, he said I couldn't handle anything in the store.

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The wife and I were at the new Cabela's in El Paso last December. (I would almost swear lights were shining and I thought I heard angels singing in the background.) It has been a long time since I seen that many firearms openly displayed and well lit. The guys there were real helpful and showed us anything we wanted to see even though we told them we were from California.
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since he knows he cant sell you a firearm, he doesnt want to waste his time showing to you since your not buying.
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Being a Cali resident, are you even allowed to purchase any mag that is 10+ even for your training in Vegas? I remember going to a gun store out there a few years ago and the owner wouldn't even let me touch anything, let alone sell me things, because I was from Cali. All I wanted was a shiny blue beretta gun lock.

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Should've gone to a different one.

Edit: As far as them not showing you anything, If I were a gun store employee in Nevada and someone from Cali showed up, I think my reaction would be to show them the freedom they've been missing out. (well, WE, since I live here too lol) That's just messed up on his part.
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Being a Cali resident, are you even allowed to purchase any mag that is 10+ even for your training in Vegas? I remember going to a gun store out there a few years ago and the owner wouldn't even let me touch anything, let alone sell me things, because I was from Cali. All I wanted was a shiny blue beretta gun lock.

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And exactly how did the owner know where you were from? Do you have "I live in California" tattoed on your forehead?
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I went to Tucson a few years back. The first gun shop I went to I let them know I was from California and couldn't take anything back on the plane with me. The sales guy was so happy he said several times "Welcome to America". The next shop I went to I was the only one in the shop. He felt bad that I was from California and kept repeating for a half hour " I'm so sorry you are from California". Apparently being from California was the worst thing that could happen to someone.
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I went to a bunch in the vegas area to get some mags to block/pin to bring back and none of them cared I was from CA.
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I'm a truck driver. For 5 years I drove California to/from Nebraska every week.
I've bought a lot of 17 round Beretta mags a 30 round Pmags.
No one cares.
Now I live in AZ and no one cares even more.
Maybe focus as hard on traffic laws as on guns laws. Impacts more people

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I’m from CA & Spurlocks gun shop in Henderson wouldn’t sell me anything...Ventura Munitions is the place to go!
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Should've gone to a different one.

Edit: As far as them not showing you anything, If I were a gun store employee in Nevada and someone from Cali showed up, I think my reaction would be to show them the freedom they've been missing out. (well, WE, since I live here too lol) That's just messed up on his part.
Agree!! I'd walked out and gone elsewhere. Happened to me once when I was with a buddy who was an off duty officer from CA. He wasn't even allowed to carry his off duty weapon in that vegas gun store!! Never stepped foot in that store again since then.
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I travel outside of the state several times a year for various training courses and bring cases full of "assault rifles" and standard rifle/pistol mags with me when I fly. TSA does not care, it is federally legal to do so. There is no magical DOJ agent assigned to verify contents of your luggage creeping around at the airports when you arrive home. I am a LEO, but that is never conveyed to anyone at the airline counter or otherwise. If you are conducting yourself lawfully during your travels, no one will know or care what you have in your possession. This place is a master class in painting yourself into a corner
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I have not researched this issue. However, it seems to me that should a California resident temporarily leave the state, when that person returns bringing the personal property they had when they left, it is not importing. The magazine statute does not specifically define importing. So, one is left with the commercial definition, if there is one. I cannot believe that when one returns to CA with the lawfully owned property they had when they left, they are importing anything.
As an analogy I think about taking expensive jewelry on a trip to Europe. Upon return to the US one is not importing the jewelry.
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I have not researched this issue. However, it seems to me that should a California resident temporarily leave the state, when that person returns bringing the personal property they had when they left, it is not importing. The magazine statute does not specifically define importing. So, one is left with the commercial definition, if there is one. I cannot believe that when one returns to CA with the lawfully owned property they had when they left, they are importing anything.
As an analogy I think about taking expensive jewelry on a trip to Europe. Upon return to the US one is not importing the jewelry.
Starting 07-01-2017, the exemption [PC 32420] to CA large capacity magazines laws that allowed a person who legally owned/possess large capacity magazines to leave CA with those magazines and return to CA with those magazines was repealed.

The initial Court ordered injuction issued on 06-30-2017, did not bring this exemption back.

The recent Court ordered stay that went into effect on 04-05-2019, did not bring this exemption back.

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It is CA legal for a person that legally owns/possess large capacity magazines to leave CA with those magazines, but CA illegal for that person to return to CA with those magazines (felony importation).


AFAIK...
The intent for the repeal was to reduce the amount of lawfully owned/possessed large capacity magazines in CA.
It makes it so a person can legally leave CA with large capacity magazines, but can not legally return with those magazines.
The magazines had to be stored out-of-state or transferred out-of-state or made into permanently modified 10 round magazines prior to returning to CA.


Penal Code 32420 THIS WAS REPEALED EFFECTIVE 07-01-2017.
Section 32310 does not apply to the importation of a large-capacity magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the large-capacity magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000, lawfully took it out of the state, and is returning to the state with the same large-capacity magazine.
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Being a Cali resident, are you even allowed to purchase any mag that is 10+ even for your training in Vegas? I remember going to a gun store out there a few years ago and the owner wouldn't even let me touch anything, let alone sell me things, because I was from Cali. All I wanted was a shiny blue beretta gun lock.

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I’ve never had a problem buying a mag out of state because I say “I need a magazine for a (insert model)”

I don’t even have problems buying ammo with my CA license here in AZ for proof of age.

Unless you give yourself away and say California only terms, you should have zero problems buying any firearm related accessories in another state.

My advise is also buy it coming into the state and not when returning
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So here is a crazy thought...

Take your 10 round magazines and use them in the 10 round capacity. The reason being is that in CA where you live that is what you will have to use (for now) when using your firearm.

Using standard capacity magazines will reduce your mag load effort but won't allow you to train as you would fight.

I've run both standard capacity and nuertered magazines at Front Sight and it's not that big of a difference between them.
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So here is a crazy thought...

Take your 10 round magazines and use them in the 10 round capacity. The reason being is that in CA where you live that is what you will have to use (for now) when using your firearm.

Using standard capacity magazines will reduce your mag load effort but won't allow you to train as you would fight.

I've run both standard capacity and nuertered magazines at Front Sight and it's not that big of a difference between them.
What? Why wouldnt i use the legally bought and owned 30 rounders?

Why would i “have” to use 10 rounders? Hell, i dont even own 10 rounders for many of my firearms.
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What? Why wouldnt i use the legally bought and owned 30 rounders?

Why would i “have” to use 10 rounders? Hell, i dont even own 10 rounders for many of my firearms.
Well I was referring to us lowly people who have to use the magazines CA deems acceptable and safe for us to use...
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What? Why wouldnt i use the legally bought and owned 30 rounders?

Why would i “have” to use 10 rounders? Hell, i dont even own 10 rounders for many of my firearms.
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I'm pretty sure he meant while he was over there, Because of the situation, as everyone said, He can't bring them back after.
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Well I was referring to us lowly people who have to use the magazines CA deems acceptable and safe for us to use...
I live in CA, too, and have since 1990.

I have legally bought mags from then and from freedom week.

All are legsl to own and use.
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What? Why wouldnt i use the legally bought and owned 30 rounders?

Why would i “have” to use 10 rounders? Hell, i dont even own 10 rounders for many of my firearms.
It's difficult to appendix carry my 30 rounder without printing, but the ladies are suitably impressed. Problem is some guys are impressed too.
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Old 04-30-2019, 8:19 PM
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It's difficult to appendix carry my 30 rounder without printing, but the ladies are suitably impressed. Problem is some guys are impressed too.


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Old 04-30-2019, 10:52 PM
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Starting 07-01-2017, the exemption [PC 32420] to CA large capacity magazines laws that allowed a person who legally owned/possess large capacity magazines to leave CA with those magazines and return to CA with those magazines was repealed.

The initial Court ordered injuction issued on 06-30-2017, did not bring this exemption back.

The recent Court ordered stay that went into effect on 04-05-2019, did not bring this exemption back.

Therefore...

It is CA legal for a person that legally owns/possess large capacity magazines to leave CA with those magazines, but CA illegal for that person to return to CA with those magazines (felony importation).


AFAIK...
The intent for the repeal was to reduce the amount of lawfully owned/possessed large capacity magazines in CA.
It makes it so a person can legally leave CA with large capacity magazines, but can not legally return with those magazines.
The magazines had to be stored out-of-state or transferred out-of-state or made into permanently modified 10 round magazines prior to returning to CA.


Penal Code 32420 THIS WAS REPEALED EFFECTIVE 07-01-2017.
Section 32310 does not apply to the importation of a large-capacity magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the large-capacity magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000, lawfully took it out of the state, and is returning to the state with the same large-capacity magazine.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. The application of a criminal statute that is void for vagueness cannot be constitutionally applied. To permit a party who legally possesses a magazine in the state, takes it out of state, and returns with it to be prosecuted as an importer is an instance where the application of 32310 is vague as applied. Were it a civil statute, it may be fair to resort to delving into the intent of the law makers, but not so for a criminal statute. The accused could very well assume, from the reading of the statute, that import meant to bring in a magazine acquired from out of the state, but not one legally owned and taken out of state then back.
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